4300HD vs 7600GS

[Aleksander]

Hello guys!
I am willing to buy the new mobos with the 890GX and was really thinking if the 4300HD series integrated in it are better than my 7600GS PCI-Express 1.0
And who thinks i am wrong with this kind of chipset just tell me which one is a better choice, like the 890X which as i have heard in a thread that it does not have an integrated card.

[Zubasa]

The 890X chipset will most likely never be released, since the 890GX pretty much does everything that it can do already.
Nope, the HD 4300 (I think you mean the 4250) is not faster than a GF 7600GS.

Edit: Even the HD 4350 is not faster than a 7600GS.
These IGPs are simply not made for gamming.

[Aleksander]

Ok, but what are the differences of gx and fx? Cuz i have heard the gx will get a better link for the NB and SB called A-link, will it be the same with fx?
And how much faster is my card from the HD4300?

[Zubasa]

Originally Posted by Aleksander Dishnica

Ok, but what are the differences of gx and fx? Cuz i have heard the gx will get a better link for the NB and SB called A-link, will it be the same with fx?
And how much faster is my card from the HD4300?

As far as I know the GX and FX should be same interms of inter-chipset bandwidth.

The 890FX is the high-end board and will support 2~4 cards Crossfire,
the 890GX is pretty much like the 790GX with improved IGP an such (8x + 8x Crossfire).
Both of these chipsets will have a new SouthBridge Chip.

Not related to the chipset, but the 890FX boards will most likely support faster memory and better voltage controls because they are high-end boards.

[wahdangun]

GX= have on-board video (hd 4250), support 8x,8x crossfire. mean while
FX= don't have on-board video, support full 16x,16X PCIe crossfire

[Aleksander]

Well if it is that way i think the FX is a better choice, but what differences you could get if a review from hardware-revolution says if it is pci-e 2.0 than 8x and 8x in crossfire would be the same as 16x and 16x cuz it compensates the bandwidth?

[Zubasa]

By all means the 890FX will be the better chipset, but these boards also cost signifcantly more than 890GX boards.
There is hardly any difference in 8x + 8x CF with any single GPU cards, the 5970 in CF are the only cards that will make some difference.

[Aleksander]

So all you guys suggest me is the 890GX, but that little question about the difference between the 4300HD and 7600GS can you pls answer cuz i am curious. It said that it goes up to 700 mhz and my geforce goes 500mhz by default

[blkhogan]

Ive pretty much used the GX chip set for each generation. The FX is always a little bit better in terms of voltages and overclocking stability at high clocks. The GX has always been good to me while overclocking but doesnt quite match up to its counter part FX.

[Aleksander]

If the FX is that good normaly i should find some reviews that show better capabilities than GX, but i dont know if it will be a FX series that will be made only with 2 PCI-E slots, the price how high would go and the release date of this chip. I have seen the MSI 890FX chipset but i really didnt like it at all, cuz it had 6 pci-e and i would never be using that much space. I really dont know if i will ever use two pci express slots :P

[Kenshai]

Just to make sure you do realize that if you do move to the 890gx/fx you will need new memory as well as a new processor. Not sure if you've thought about that cost.

[Aleksander]

I am going to buy a new system soon and what is funny here is that i have thought about higher costs, lets say 800$ since december cuz normaly at that time the prices were much higher and i thought for the prices of mobos would be 400$ and it just turns out that they would be about 220$ with support of USB 3.0 even before the launch They even said they will launch in May
Ram ddr3, cpu AM3. The real enigma here is that none has suggested a cheaper CPU than 425Rana. All i want to spend is 450$, not that i want to, but i dont have more
Pls suggest me a rig with 450$ budget, meaning that it wont be an upgrade of the one i have.
Thank you!

[Kenshai]

Originally Posted by Aleksander Dishnica

I am going to buy a new system soon and what is funny here is that i have thought about higher costs, lets say 800$ since december cuz normaly at that time the prices were much higher and i thought for the prices of mobos would be 400$ and it just turns out that they would be about 220$ with support of USB 3.0 even before the launch They even said they will launch in May
Ram ddr3, cpu AM3. The real enigma here is that none has suggested a cheaper CPU than 425Rana. All i want to spend is 450$, not that i want to, but i dont have more
Pls suggest me a rig with 450$ budget, meaning that it wont be an upgrade of the one i have.
Thank you!

Not sure what the exchange rate for Rana is and google is of no help. But there are lots of choices not sure how many of which are available to you. If you could show me a site that you would be buying from I'd be glad to help you.

[pantherx12]

Originally Posted by Zubasa

The 890X chipset will most likely never be released, since the 890GX pretty much does everything that it can do already.
Nope, the HD 4300 (I think you mean the 4250) is not faster than a GF 7600GS.

Edit: Even the HD 4530 is not faster than a 7600GS.
These IGPs are simply not made for gamming.

Really?

I found a HD4350 beat 7600gs.

If you put on after market heatsinks ( for the lulz) hd4350s do 800mhz as well

[Kenshai]

Originally Posted by pantherx12

Really?

I found a HD4350 beat 7600gs.

If you put on after market heatsinks ( for the lulz) hd4350s do 800mhz as well

Not the Discrete HD4350 the Integrated HD4350.

[Aleksander]

Originally Posted by pantherx12

Really?

I found a HD4350 beat 7600gs.

If you put on after market heatsinks ( for the lulz) hd4350s do 800mhz as well

Can you show us where did you find the hd4350 beat 7600gs?
www.intersetcomputer.net is an albanian shop site, but anyway you can buy things in the shop, not online
And yes i am meaning the HD4300 series integrated, so one has it 4250 and another has it 4290 or maybe they are just causing a little confusion. Can they make a better IGP for this kind of mobo?

[MikeX]

http://forums.techpowerup.com/showth...4200+overclock
1ghz
vs
7600m GT, desktop equivalent
http://www.notebookcheck.net/Mobile-...ist.844.0.html


7600gs > 4350

only way for ATI's IGP to beat 7600gs is having 80 shader stream NOT 40 (unless you go above 1ghz as resulting 80 shaders at 500s)
if it were for 4350 Discrete
http://www.gpureview.com/show_cards....=387&card2=585
the 7600gs @ 560 clearly beats HD4350 @ 800
But at 1ghz, benchmark on 3d2006 might be a other way round from 3d2001.
http://hwbot.org/hardware/videocard/...00?tab=gallery
here HD4200 @ 900mhz doing 2732 3dmark2006
7600m GT earier @ 500mhz does 2833
perhaps little more clock from 7600gs would hit 3k as well as HD 4200 @ 1 and 1.1 ghz??

for vmod 7600gs, he goes way higher.
but 1ghz 4200HD out of the bios does blow stock 7600gs @ 400mhz right off
You will need really good OC (1800 ddr3+) on the memory to completely kill the 7600gs

the truth is :
http://hwbot.org/hardware/videocard/...gs#3dmark_2006
http://hwbot.org/hardware/videocard/...gs#3dmark_2006
http://hwbot.org/hardware/videocard/...gs#3dmark_2006

[jym111]

1. Hd4200 IGP@ 800MHZ Is much better performer then the 7600GS

2. HD 4200 IGP @800MHZ is better then 8400GS

3. HD4200 IGP and HD2400 pro crossfire will give you all high settings Aliasing and AF x4@ 1440X900 very smooth game in BF2

4. HD4350 discrete blows 7600GS and 8400GS away


I have tested these on Gigabyte MA-785GM-Us2H (ALL cards PCIe)(No sideport memory)

[Frick]

Oh Aleksander, when will you realize you'll NEVER be able to upgrade that system of yours?

[erocker]

This thread is almost exactly a year old. /