Watch out! Crysis 2 on Steam has 3rd party DRM, NOT disclosed on store page

[erocker]

I can't find this listed on EA's site either.

[qubit]

Originally Posted by erocker

I can't find this listed on EA's site either.

That's interesting. You know what I wonder?

If I remember correctly, the activation DRM for Assassin's Creed or its sequel was "removed" not by turning off the activation system, but by always allowing an activation. I wonder if that's what's happened here? If so, I don't consider it properly removed, because what happens when the activation servers are down or taken offline permanently, if say, the company goes bust?

It also makes you wonder about their motives to keep it running in this passive mode. Is it to collect stats perhaps? Is it so they can enforce it again at a moment's notice? Something else? Whichever, option it is, none of them will be consumer friendly.

[garyinhere]

Take whining and conspiracy theories to GN
The fact is you "Tic'd" agree and continue so it's on you fair or not

[qubit]

Originally Posted by garyinhere

Take whining and conspiracy theories to GN
The fact is you "Tic'd" agree and continue so it's on you fair or not
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I think you need to read the whole thread first before making an asinine post like that. Especially my posts explaining where Steam/Valve have gone wrong with the law.

[garyinhere]

Originally Posted by qubit

I think you need to read the whole thread first before making an asinine post like that. Especially my posts explaining where Steam/Valve have gone wrong with the law.

ohh i read it and saw you say "it's not fair" too many times to care...
your point was to address the issue and you stated that you didn't want to argue or discuss it so lock the thread no more to talk about right? You let us know what was going on.

[TheMailMan78]

I honestly don't see the big deal in this other then you wanted to do something illegal with your copy.

[HammerON]

I don't find this to be that big of a deal, and have a hard time understanding why you are making such a fuss over this. But that is just me. I don't plan on having Crysis 2 installed on more than maybe 2 machines (main rig and lappy).

[qubit]

Originally Posted by garyinhere

ohh i read it and saw you say "it's not fair" too many times to care...
your point was to address the issue and you stated that you didn't want to argue or discuss it so lock the thread no more to talk about right? You let us know what was going on.

You appear to be here just to troll my thread and get it closed down. That's really not very nice, now is it?

If you don't like the subject, just move along and don't post here. There's plenty of other threads on TPU to vent your opinion on.

[garyinhere]

Originally Posted by qubit

You appear to be here just to troll my thread and get it closed down. That's really not very nice, now is it?

If you don't like the subject, just move along and don't post here. There's plenty of other threads on TPU to vent your opinion on.

you assume to much... the subject is fine and thanks for giving a heads up, but you stated you don't want to discuss it? So how many times can you say the same thing, it is illegal in the UK and that it is not fair? IMO the next and only post should be what steam tells you to do and by the looks of it they will say if you don't like it don't use it

Originally Posted by qubit

This isn't the place to discuss the rights and wrongs of DRM

I mean you made your point and have no questions, you filed actions so what is the point of this?

[qubit]

Originally Posted by garyinhere

you assume to much... the subject is fine and thanks for giving a heads up, but you stated you don't want to discuss it? So how many times can you say the same thing, it is illegal in the UK and that it is not fair? IMO the next and only post should be what steam tells you to do and by the looks of it they will say if you don't like it don't use it

Where did I say I don't want to discuss it? And you're welcome on the heads up.

It's a no-brainer that Valve* screwed up over this , so I'm surprised that there are so many people coming on here with a "tough shit" attitude to this. I guess that's why the thread keeps rumbling on in a negative tone.

*I kept saying "Steam" before didn't I? lol

[ShiBDiB]

This thread is pointless.. theirs a DRM that 99.9% of people wont even notice and the only reason to bitch is for epeen glory.

You didnt read the long ass EULA just like everyone else.. and just like everyone else this wont effect your gameplaying experience.. now stfu and play your game.

[garyinhere]

Originally Posted by qubit

Where did I say I don't want to discuss it? And you're welcome on the heads up.

It's a no-brainer that Valve* screwed up over this , so I'm surprised that there are so many people coming on here with a "tough shit" attitude to this. I guess that's why the thread keeps rumbling on in a negative tone.

*I kept saying "Steam" before didn't I? lol

the tough sh*t attitude probably comes from failure to read the initial agreement, which like it or not IS on you. They are long and boring on purpose to cover the sellers butt and hand you yours when you make a claim

[qubit]

Originally Posted by ShiBDiB

This thread is pointless.. theirs a DRM that 99.9% of people wont even notice and the only reason to bitch is for epeen glory.

You didnt read the long ass EULA just like everyone else.. and just like everyone else this wont effect your gameplaying experience.. now stfu and play your game.

Another post that's out of line. Read and understand what I've said and you won't be making such a silly and unpleasant post. I will not stfu to please you, ok?

Originally Posted by garyinhere

the tough sh*t attitude probably comes from failure to read the initial agreement, which like it or not IS on you. They are long and boring on purpose to cover the sellers butt and hand you yours when you make a claim

They can't go above the law though and I believe this tries to.

[ShiBDiB]

Originally Posted by qubit

They can't go above the law though and I believe this tries to.

but why do you care... this affects no1 besides the yarr pirates..

[garyinhere]

Originally Posted by qubit

They can't go above the law though and I believe this tries to.

which is when a normal person would ask... How would doing this benifit Steam? NOT asking themselves, Is Steam out to get us? There best interest is happy customers not shady practices.

So anything more is really just a Rant isn't it?

[Mr McC]

Originally Posted by ShiBDiB

but why do you care... this affects no1 besides the yarr pirates..
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Why don't you care? Do you honestly believe that the customer is at fault where the company fails to disclose DRM information, or are you intent on convincing us that such information is really of no interest or use to the customer. Incidentally. contrary to what you have stated, DRM affects everybody except the pirates.

Originally Posted by garyinhere

which is when a normal person would ask... How would doing this benifit Steam? NOT asking themselves, Is Steam out to get us? There best interest is happy customers not shady practices.

Steam benefits by ensuring that customers who would be deterred by the DRM buy the game.

[garyinhere]

Originally Posted by Mr McC

Why don't you care? Do you honestly believe that the customer is at fault where the company fails to disclose DRM information, or are you intent on convincing us that such information is really of no interest or use to the customer. Incidentally. contrary to what you have stated, DRM affects everybody except the pirates.

I think that a seller shouldn't have to hold your hand during a purchase and if something was missing that you are passionate about you shouldn't have bought it in the first place

[scaminatrix]

Originally Posted by Mr McC

DRM affects everybody except the pirates.

Well said.
We certainly should be made aware of 3rd party DRM. It's our right.

[Mr McC]

Originally Posted by garyinhere

I think that a seller shouldn't have to hold your hand during a purchase and if something was missing that you are passionate about you shouldn't have bought it in the first place

I think placing the onus of awareness on the customer where the company fails to disclose is ludicrous.

[ShiBDiB]

Originally Posted by scaminatrix

Well said.
We certainly should be made aware of 3rd party DRM. It's our right.

You are.. read the EULA..

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[garyinhere]

Originally Posted by scaminatrix

We certainly should be made aware of 3rd party DRM. It's our right.

It's simple, don't make the purchase

Originally Posted by Mr McC

I think placing the onus of awareness on the customer where the company fails to disclose is ludicrous.

Are they out to get me too?

What negative effect does this have at all?

[qubit]

Oh come on shib & gary. My answer is pretty much what Mr McC said.

[erocker]

Originally Posted by qubit

That's interesting. You know what I wonder?

If I remember correctly, the activation DRM for Assassin's Creed or its sequel was "removed" not by turning off the activation system, but by always allowing an activation. I wonder if that's what's happened here? If so, I don't consider it properly removed, because what happens when the activation servers are down or taken offline permanently, if say, the company goes bust?

It also makes you wonder about their motives to keep it running in this passive mode. Is it to collect stats perhaps? Is it so they can enforce it again at a moment's notice? Something else? Whichever, option it is, none of them will be consumer friendly.

It's not listed with EA, there is nothing on the Crysis 2 site that has any information on it at all. Why would you blame Steam for that? If you don't like Steam, there are other sources for games such as directly from the publisher, other online services, and of course the hard copy. I say this because you either have something out for steam, or are just blaming them for personal thread advertising. That being said, in regards with Crysis 2 and DRM, I personally don't care, it doesn't affect me. Firstly, I would never buy this game and secondly, if I did, there would be ways around this DRM if I even ever would run into an issue with it. Which I would not.

[garyinhere]

Originally Posted by qubit

Oh come on shib & gary. My answer is pretty much what Mr McC said.

The answer to what? You don't have a question, you gave us a heads up and a rant

Originally Posted by erocker

Firstly, I would never buy this game

Most didn't but still have it

[qubit]

Originally Posted by erocker

It's not listed with EA. Why would you blame Steam for that? If you don't like Steam, there are other sources for games such as directly from the publisher, other online services, and of course the hard copy. I say this because you either have something out for steam, or are just blaming them for personal thread advertising. That being said, in regards with Crysis 2 and DRM, I personally don't care, it doesn't affect me. Firstly, I would never buy this game and secondly, if I did, there would be ways around this DRM if I even ever would run into an issue with it. Which I would not.

I don't see what's so hard to understand here. Valve are the seller and therefore it's their fault for not disclosing it under UK law. It's nothing to do with whether I like them or not. The imposition of DRM on the customer is a significant product issue they must consider when buying. I've been bitten by this, since I was mislead by their store page, so I posted about this to warn others and post an update when I hear from Valve. Unfortunately, some people are really not being very nice to me about this, which is making the thread somewhat less pleasant.

The only DRM I find acceptable is the Steam DRM, therefore being mislead into purchasing a third party one is a big deal to me and I'm gonna get that refund if I can. If Valve become difficult I'll try a chargeback on the credit card.

Think about this in a general sense: every time a company "makes a mistake" it's always in their favour, isn't it? Obviously makes them more profit, doesn't it?

EDIT: It may not be on the EA website, but I think one would have be a bit naive to think they didn't know about it?

Originally Posted by garyinhere

The answer to what? You don't have a question, you gave us a heads up and a rant

I didn't rant.