NVIDIA Revising GeForce GTX 590 Design

btarunr · May 16, 2011, 05:43 AM

No doubt the GeForce GTX 590 is a cracker of a graphics card (no pun intended). It shares a disputed lead with the AMD Radeon HD 6990, where the latter has the reputation of being the more electrically stable of the two. Voltage-assisted overclocking of the GTX 590 has proven to be many an overclocker's $700 misadventure, with the weak VRM circuitry burning up with even the slightest bump in voltages. NVIDIA plans to fix this once and for all with a hardware update of the GTX 590.

In June, NVIDIA plans to release a new revision of the GeForce GTX 590 with a stronger VRM circuitry, stronger inductors, FETs, capacitors, etc. The revision could possibly alter the reference PCB design, at least with the VRM areas, and that could mean water-block manufacturers could have to go back to the drawing boards. Who knows, the new revision of GTX 590 with heightened electrical stability could also create some room for new models from AICs with better overclocked speeds out of the box, to step up competitiveness against the HD 6990.

Source: VR-Zone

theonedub · May 16, 2011, 05:47 AM

It's expensive being an early adopter.

(FIH) The Don · May 16, 2011, 05:49 AM

thats just a - in my book

what about the people who bought this card?

could they at least have waited to release it until they were done with it, its not a game FFS

thunderising · May 16, 2011, 05:55 AM

so will it cost more or something?

Zubasa · May 16, 2011, 05:57 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by (FIH) The Don

what about the people who bought this card?

They are screwed.
And willingly so.

newtekie1 · May 16, 2011, 06:11 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Zubasa

They are screwed.

They knew what they were getting when they bought the card, new revisions come out all the time, be it non-reference designs or redesigns of the same card. If you are going to waste money on these cards, don't be upset when something better comes out a few months down the road.

Wile E · May 16, 2011, 06:14 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by newtekie1

They knew what they were getting when they bought the card, new revisions come out all the time, be it non-reference designs or redesigns of the same card. If you are going to waste money on these cards, don't be upset when something better comes out a few months down the road.

Yep. The golden rule for early adopters. I learned this lesson on my HD2900XT.

damric · May 16, 2011, 06:30 AM

I bet this new revision card costs $100-$150 more. All this for the sake of PR so that Nvidia can say they have the fastest single card for a few months in the leapfrog cycle? Even if I needed (and I damn sure don't need one), a flagship dual GPU card, I'd still pick the HD 6990, and put a water block on it.

gumpty · May 16, 2011, 07:13 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by damric

I bet this new revision card costs $100-$150 more. All this for the sake of PR so that Nvidia can say they have the fastest single card for a few months in the leapfrog cycle?

Beefing up the VRM wont make the card any faster against the HD6990, so the title will still be shared between the two.

Of course it should make it easier to overclock, which could help it to the unofficial crown.

Early adopters get shafted all over the place. I kind of wish I'd waited for the 1GB version of the 6950. Comes with the territory.

u2konline · May 16, 2011, 07:13 AM

How about they just take the time and make a 595?

buggalugs · May 16, 2011, 07:16 AM

wow you would think an expensive card like this would have bulletproof components....i guess not.

Imsochobo · May 16, 2011, 07:39 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Wile E

Yep. The golden rule for early adopters. I learned this lesson on my HD2900XT.

Thats the lesson I got from a watercooled 8800 GTS640mb, I swapped over to a 2900XT and clocked the hell outta it!
man a good .. erm, performing power guggling monster.
That was just useless at stock.
1200mhz on the memory
1050 on the gpu was what I pretty much ran. pretty much over the stock, 743//900

Quote:

Originally Posted by buggalugs

wow you would think an expensive card like this would have bulletproof components....i guess not.

They absolutely didnt, weakest components I've seen in years, I thought 4870X2 was poor( which it was) butGTX590 just set a new standard to what bad components on high end videocards is.

Completely Bonkers · May 16, 2011, 07:49 AM

Best electrical components are from Japan. Unfortunately, for various reasons. nV probably chose a (lower quality) supplier that could deliver to meet the launch date.

Let's hope nV gets back to quality components on high end equipment.

Imagine the hi-fi industry if the high-end premium manufacturers started using cheap caps, inductors, ferrite cores and transistors (and valves)! They would kill their reputation and be bust by the end of the year. nV has it LUCKY it has only one competitor.

LAN_deRf_HA · May 16, 2011, 08:23 AM

Aren't we nearing the next card release cycle anyways? Sure this will make the 590 the faster card when both are overclocked to their limits, but I can't imagine them raising the stock clocks as that will just jack up the already ridiculous power consumption. Seems pointless.

the54thvoid · May 16, 2011, 08:30 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by LAN_deRf_HA

Aren't we nearing the next card release cycle anyways? Sure this will make the 590 the faster card when both are overclocked to their limits, but I can't imagine them raising the stock clocks as that will just jack up the already ridiculous power consumption. Seems pointless.

There be rumours that the next die shrink will not release till next year. It was meant to be Q4 this year but several sources I've seen conflict. CD says NI has taped out and should be ready, FUD says there's issues and it'll be next year.

Some sources say the 7 series form AMD will have few architectural tweaks as it already has 7 series elements in the 69 series but it will be a splendid piece of power saving GPU design.

Someone remind me to not buy anything until the custom models come out. Must not buy vanilla......

Jonap_1st · May 16, 2011, 11:25 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by damric

I bet this new revision card costs $100-$150 more. All this for the sake of PR so that Nvidia can say they have the fastest single card for a few months in the leapfrog cycle? Even if I needed (and I damn sure don't need one), a flagship dual GPU card, I'd still pick the HD 6990, and put a water block on it.

hope the price will not go higher, dont really care who will get the crown right now..

djisas · May 16, 2011, 11:29 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Wile E

Yep. The golden rule for early adopters. I learned this lesson on my HD2900XT.

An hard learned lesson i reckon, but its not like there was anything better for the price back then when the market was dominated by g80's or something, besides it looked cool...

Animalpak · May 16, 2011, 12:29 PM

as they call this new revision ? GTX 595 ?

OneCool · May 16, 2011, 02:09 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Animalpak

as they call this new revision ? GTX 595 ?

or the "GTX What the 590 should have been in the first damn place"

burns my ass too.You know people at nV knew something was wrong and shipped them anyway.

Sihastru · May 16, 2011, 02:10 PM

My GTX295 rev.A (dual PCB) got fried. RMA. Got back a GTX295 rev.B (single PCB). To quote from BSG: All this has happened before, and all this will happen again.

So maybe the new GTX590 rev.B will have a dual PCB

Quote:

Originally Posted by OneCool

or the "GTX What the 590 should have been in the first damn place"
burns my ass too.You know people at nV knew something was wrong and shipped them anyway.

If you use your head the card works perfectly. Even if you OC+OV a little.

AsRock · May 16, 2011, 02:12 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by (FIH) The Don

thats just a - in my book

what about the people who bought this card?

could they at least have waited to release it until they were done with it, its not a game FFS

Just what i was thinking but they did buy and get what they brought. And all this is kinda late and is another reason i don't buy nvidia as they like cheeping out when it pleases them.

EarlZ · May 16, 2011, 02:14 PM

If this new revision allows the 590 to run at 580 full speeds then it will official take the fastest single graphics card crown, since 2x GTX580's faster than 2x 6970's

Sihastru · May 16, 2011, 02:18 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by AsRock

[...]I don't buy nvidia as they like cheeping out when it pleases them.

OMG... so there are no cards from AMD that ever failed? Warranty doesn't cover overvolting and/or overclocking. But I'm sure if your GTX590 fails, they will send you a new shiny one.

There are plenty of people overclocking/overvolting their GTX590 without any issue.

Jonap_1st · May 16, 2011, 02:37 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by EarlZ

If this new revision allows the 590 to run at 580 full speeds then it will official take the fastest single graphics card crown, since 2x GTX580's faster than 2x 6970's

it will if you can overclock it to 770 Mhz since new revision provide us with more sufficient components to make the card more stable.

but overclocking the card to nearly 25% with reference design will only make the card life shorter. so with stock clock i think it's enough..

Zubasa · May 16, 2011, 02:42 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by buggalugs

wow you would think an expensive card like this would have bulletproof components....i guess not.

Reviews of the 590 are everywhere, the people that buy that card should be informed and they willingly brought a card with weak VRMs.

Quote:

Originally Posted by newtekie1

They knew what they were getting when they bought the card, new revisions come out all the time, be it non-reference designs or redesigns of the same card. If you are going to waste money on these cards, don't be upset when something better comes out a few months down the road.

This pretty much sums it up.

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