Computer "lags" SSD

Killer_Rubber_Ducky · Oct 4, 2011, 07:16 PM

Hi all, I have a Crucial M4 - 128GB SSD Firmware 0009. I use it as my windows OS Drive. the rest of my stuff like non-crucial ( no pun intended) applications etc installed on 3 other hard drives.

From time to time, windows for lack of a better word, "freezes" for like 2-5 minutes before it resumes what it was doing. Any ideas? I just updated my JMicron JMX36-er something SATA Controller to the latest version so I am unsure if that would have fixed it.

Any thoughts? This is my first Foray into the world of SSD and so far i am not impressed if this is what I have to look forward to.

erocker · Oct 4, 2011, 07:19 PM

Is indexing, defrag, search, superfetch turned off on the drive?

Killer_Rubber_Ducky · Oct 4, 2011, 07:20 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by erocker

Is indexing, defrag, search, superfetch turned off on the drive?

Yes. Sorry i forgot to mention that. i followed the guide on tweaking windows for SSD usage.

erocker · Oct 4, 2011, 07:23 PM

Was Windows installed fresh on the SSD? Using AHCI? Idk... If Windows "freezes" for 2-5 minutes it sounds like a more serious problem then what I'm mentioning fixes for. Could be a bad SSD or a bad install.

Killer_Rubber_Ducky · Oct 4, 2011, 07:48 PM

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Originally Posted by erocker

Was Windows installed fresh on the SSD? Using AHCI? Idk... If Windows "freezes" for 2-5 minutes it sounds like a more serious problem then what I'm mentioning fixes for. Could be a bad SSD or a bad install.

i dont vthink it is ahci. im pretty sure it is ide. I installed on SSD with no other drives attached during install. I'm hoping updating the JMicron controller fixed it as the driver being used was from January 2010. I updated to August 2011. It also happens sporadically.

Kantastic · Oct 4, 2011, 08:06 PM

You may want to try the Crucial forums. This could be a dying SSD or just a terrible case of stuttering. Give this thread a quick read and see if it does any good: http://forum.crucial.com/t5/Solid-St...ate/td-p/48596

Killer_Rubber_Ducky · Oct 4, 2011, 09:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Kantastic

You may want to try the Crucial forums. This could be a dying SSD or just a terrible case of stuttering. Give this thread a quick read and see if it does any good: http://forum.crucial.com/t5/Solid-St...ate/td-p/48596

Thanks, i hope it is not a bad drive. The drive is about 1 month old. I read the post and the problem i run into is that i run AMD not intel so I don't know if it has the LPM feature to turn off.

erocker · Oct 4, 2011, 09:04 PM

Try this: Elpamsoft.com - SSD Home Page (http://elpamsoft.com/Downloads.aspx?Name=SSD%20Tweaker)

Just use the auto-tweak, then reboot.

If that doesn't do it, reinstall Windows and make sure to do it in AHCI mode.

If that doesn't do it, RMA time.

FreedomEclipse · Oct 4, 2011, 10:38 PM

If it is that the SSD is dying. Id stay away from Crucial in the future. Im hearing more and more horror stories about them and their SSDs that like to die so much and i cant ignore it anymore.

javaking · Oct 4, 2011, 11:02 PM

What erocker said about AHCI in bios try that

Killer_Rubber_Ducky · Oct 5, 2011, 07:11 AM

so far so good with the updated JMicron drivers and the SSD Tweaks

basco · Oct 5, 2011, 07:56 AM

just a thought and what erocker said.
this is sata6 ssd on sata3 mobo with ide?
this could slow down things-or?

Killer_Rubber_Ducky · Oct 5, 2011, 05:02 PM

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Originally Posted by basco

just a thought and what erocker said.
this is sata6 ssd on sata3 mobo with ide?
this could slow down things-or?

nope sata 6 mobo. how is ahci better than ide?

erocker · Oct 5, 2011, 06:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Killer_Rubber_Ducky

nope sata 6 mobo. how is ahci better than ide?

Most if not all SSD manufacturers recommend using AHCI. It should be in the instructions. As far as the difference between the two, that is easily searchable on the internet.

With AHCI you may get some speed improvements.

Flibolito · Oct 5, 2011, 06:38 PM

also make sure powersaving features are turned off.

Killer_Rubber_Ducky · Oct 6, 2011, 07:54 AM

so reinstall with AHCI? Or can i just switch to ahci?

basco · Oct 6, 2011, 08:03 AM

its possible

look here:
http://www.ocztechnologyforum.com/fo...r-Installation

there is a automated reg-file on the bottom!

mayankleoboy1 · Oct 6, 2011, 08:15 AM

also, TRIM commands cant be enabled in IDE mode.you need AHCI for that.
could this lag be the garbage collection that is working overtime in absence of TRIM?

seronx · Oct 6, 2011, 09:49 AM

The stutters are probably just controller stalls

AHCI w/ NCQ will help out

NAND Flash lasts pretty much forever 64GB MLC(2bit) has an average life expectancy of 100+ years

What mostly dies on these SSDs are the Controllers(Still a long average life expectancy 5-10 years)

(SSD problems are more likely User and OS/BIOS problems)

puma99dk| · Oct 6, 2011, 10:06 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by erocker

Is indexing, defrag, search, superfetch turned off on the drive?

can't disabling SuperFetch do so some of ur application crashes? i have read that but i dunno if it's true or not.

sry Killer_Rubber_Ducky for stealing ur thread with his question ^^;

Darkgundam111 · Oct 6, 2011, 06:32 PM

crucial is horrible, and that is some of the symptoms that happened to my past 2 (the second i was stuck with cuz of the stupid warrenty) that I tried lol. might want to just consider returning it and then getting a diff one.

erocker · Oct 6, 2011, 06:55 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by puma99dk|

can't disabling SuperFetch do so some of ur application crashes? i have read that but i dunno if it's true or not.

Not true.

Jstn7477 · Oct 6, 2011, 06:55 PM

You definitely need AHCI for TRIM. You may need to reinstall the OS with it enabled in BIOS. I would back up all your data first before experimenting.

puma99dk| · Oct 6, 2011, 08:16 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by erocker

Not true.

thx for the respons erocker, it's nice to know for sure ^^

Killer_Rubber_Ducky · Oct 7, 2011, 03:57 PM

thanks for the info. Im probably going to reload with AHCI enabled. It works generally well now except when watching a video from one of my other drives. when it periodically lags on the movie. Odd odd

Oct 4, 2011, 07:16 PM	#1
Killer_Rubber_Ducky Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: Starkville, MS Posts: 883 (0.67/day) Thanks: 1,006 Thanked 256 Times in 190 Posts System Specs	Computer "lags" SSD Hi all, I have a Crucial M4 - 128GB SSD Firmware 0009. I use it as my windows OS Drive. the rest of my stuff like non-crucial ( no pun intended) applications etc installed on 3 other hard drives. From time to time, windows for lack of a better word, "freezes" for like 2-5 minutes before it resumes what it was doing. Any ideas? I just updated my JMicron JMX36-er something SATA Controller to the latest version so I am unsure if that would have fixed it. Any thoughts? This is my first Foray into the world of SSD and so far i am not impressed if this is what I have to look forward to. __________________ Heatware 'To err is human, to really mess things up requires a computer.'

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Oct 4, 2011, 07:23 PM	#4
erocker Senior Moderator Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Milwaukee, WI. Posts: 31,960 (12.77/day) Thanks: 2,793 Thanked 12,321 Times in 7,832 Posts System Specs	Was Windows installed fresh on the SSD? Using AHCI? Idk... If Windows "freezes" for 2-5 minutes it sounds like a more serious problem then what I'm mentioning fixes for. Could be a bad SSD or a bad install. Last edited by erocker; Oct 4, 2011 at 07:34 PM.

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erocker Senior Moderator Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Milwaukee, WI. Posts: 31,960 (12.77/day) Thanks: 2,793 Thanked 12,321 Times in 7,832 Posts System Specs	Is indexing, defrag, search, superfetch turned off on the drive?

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erocker Senior Moderator Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Milwaukee, WI. Posts: 31,960 (12.77/day) Thanks: 2,793 Thanked 12,321 Times in 7,832 Posts System Specs	Try this: Elpamsoft.com - SSD Home Page (http://elpamsoft.com/Downloads.aspx?Name=SSD%20Tweaker) Just use the auto-tweak, then reboot. If that doesn't do it, reinstall Windows and make sure to do it in AHCI mode. If that doesn't do it, RMA time.

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basco Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: austria Posts: 56 (0.04/day) Thanks: 22 Thanked 14 Times in 9 Posts System Specs	just a thought and what erocker said. this is sata6 ssd on sata3 mobo with ide? this could slow down things-or?

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Killer_Rubber_Ducky Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: Starkville, MS Posts: 883 (0.67/day) Thanks: 1,006 Thanked 256 Times in 190 Posts System Specs	so reinstall with AHCI? Or can i just switch to ahci? __________________ Heatware 'To err is human, to really mess things up requires a computer.'

Oct 6, 2011, 08:03 AM	#17
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mayankleoboy1 Join Date: Apr 2011 Posts: 12 (0.02/day) Thanks: 1 Thanked 6 Times in 2 Posts	also, TRIM commands cant be enabled in IDE mode.you need AHCI for that. could this lag be the garbage collection that is working overtime in absence of TRIM?

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Oct 7, 2011, 03:57 PM	#25
Killer_Rubber_Ducky Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: Starkville, MS Posts: 883 (0.67/day) Thanks: 1,006 Thanked 256 Times in 190 Posts System Specs	thanks for the info. Im probably going to reload with AHCI enabled. It works generally well now except when watching a video from one of my other drives. when it periodically lags on the movie. Odd odd __________________ Heatware 'To err is human, to really mess things up requires a computer.'

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