AMD Unlocked FX Processors Announced

[erocker]

Originally Posted by jmcslob

I have to ask:
Is it really that bad?
How do you personally think it compares to Thuban?
and where do you have that list of AM3+ board power phases at? can't find it anywhere...

Yes. Power consumption is dreadful. The one thing it has going for it is overclockability.. But you're going to need some great cooling and a big PSU.

It's slower than Thuban. I'm sorry but when a chip is released to replace a current lineup, it should be better in every way. This is a sidegrade at best and the fail cherry on top of the fail sundae known as Bulldozer. The reviews don't lie. I don't lie. People who think this chip is something good are in denial. Go buy a good CPU and forget about it.

Right here: http://www.overclock.net/amd-motherb...tion-list.html

[jmcslob]

Thank you in more ways than I can say E.

[Horrux]

Originally Posted by erocker

Yes. Power consumption is dreadful. The one thing it has going for it is overclockability.. But you're going to need some great cooling and a big PSU.

It's slower than Thuban. I'm sorry but when a chip is released to replace a current lineup, it should be better in every way. This is a sidegrade at best and the fail cherry on top of the fail sundae known as Bulldozer. The reviews don't lie. I don't lie. People who think this chip is something good are in denial. Go buy a good CPU and forget about it.

Right here: http://www.overclock.net/amd-motherb...tion-list.html

I want to disagree. I really do. However, I can't help but think if they had tweaked thuban some more, the results would have been increased IPC (compared to Thuban), AND 8 cores. AND less transistors (compared to BD), meaning better yields AND lower manufacturing costs than BD. And most likely higher clock speeds (than current Thubans) given the process shrink.

AMD what have you done? Please have PileDriver show up with 20% higher IPC, or 33% better performance, or I'm losing faith in you.

[Super XP]

Thuban is OLD and it would have been a bad idea in releasing yet another upgrade from it. That said, obviously upper Management in AMD really screwed something up with Bulldozer, it's as though they had the Server/Workstation design team design the bloody CPU.
Could this be why they fired Dirk Meyer? Is he responsible for not creating a Desktop Version + a Server/Workstation Version?

Anyhow, hopefully with the B3 stepping along with its tweaks, performance will increase and power will go down so the industry can appreciate AMD's innovation.

[erocker]

Originally Posted by Super XP

Anyhow, hopefully with the B3 stepping along with its tweaks, performance will increase and power will go down so the end user/OEM's can find AMD's innovation acceptable, relevant or useful.

Fixed it. AMD really shouldn't of bothered.

[nt300]

Originally Posted by erocker

Fixed it. AMD really shouldn't of bothered.

How about release Bulldozer CPUs for low to mid range and PII's in the high end just until they iron out the Dozer's issues

[brandonwh64]

I have seen some reports of bulldozer chips working in white socketed boards. Anybody have results of their own?

[blibba]

Originally Posted by Horrux

I want to disagree. I really do. However, I can't help but think if they had tweaked thuban some more, the results would have been increased IPC (compared to Thuban), AND 8 cores. AND less transistors (compared to BD), meaning better yields AND lower manufacturing costs than BD. And most likely higher clock speeds (than current Thubans) given the process shrink.

AMD what have you done? Please have PileDriver show up with 20% higher IPC, or 33% better performance, or I'm losing faith in you.

Agreed. Is there anything to suggest that this is even a great workstation chip? It often struggles to outpace an Intel 4C/8T chip even in highly threaded workloads.

[AphexDreamer]

So I just bought an FX 6100 for $108 to replace my Phenom 965.

Good or Bad?

Just tell me like it is, I'm ready for it.

[Damn_Smooth]

Originally Posted by AphexDreamer

So I just bought an FX 6100 for $108 to replace my Phenom 965.

Good or Bad?

Just tell me like it is, I'm ready for it.

Not sure? Seriously though, the worst it could be is about equal.

[Dbiggs9]

I was going to upgrade my 965BE to a FX but they seem to be about equal.

[Horrux]

Originally Posted by Dbiggs9

I was going to upgrade my 965BE to a FX but they seem to be about equal.

Yeah, that's what AMD offered us faithful AMD users with the FX series: no upgrade path on the AMD platform.

[Damn_Smooth]

Originally Posted by Horrux

Yeah, that's what AMD offered us faithful AMD users with the FX series: no upgrade path on the AMD platform.

Look at the bright side, we got better boards out of the deal.

[Horrux]

Originally Posted by Damn_Smooth

Look at the bright side, we got better boards out of the deal.

Yeah I got a better board, but it still can't run SLI correctly, so I am now forced to go Intel, which is what I wanted to avoid, pretty much at all costs. Bunch of crooks and slave drivers. But I have SLI GTX 570s for 3D... I want my SLI.

[Inceptor]

Originally Posted by AphexDreamer

So I just bought an FX 6100 for $108 to replace my Phenom 965.

Good or Bad?

Just tell me like it is, I'm ready for it.

Depends on what you're going to do with it.
If you're doing a lot gaming, you're better off with the 965.
If you're just in it for the overclocking, you'll probably enjoy the 6100.
Performance should be aprox. equal, overall, 1 to 4 threads if you slightly overclock the 6100. But the 6100 will require an overclock to 4.3+ to equal the 965 @4.0 Ghz single threaded. And if you do that, power consumption will drastically increase.
It's kind of a side-grade, but you get the better memory controller. If the $108 isn't a big issue, go for it, otherwise, it's a waste of money for you.

[Damn_Smooth]

Originally Posted by Horrux

Yeah I got a better board, but it still can't run SLI correctly, so I am now forced to go Intel, which is what I wanted to avoid, pretty much at all costs. Bunch of crooks and slave drivers. But I have SLI GTX 570s for 3D... I want my SLI.

I know how you feel about that. It does suck to leave AMD behind, but if they aren't going to make an attempt, I can't continue to support them. Rumors are saying that PD has less of a gain over BD than IB has over SB and that's just going to put them farther behind. It's bullshit, but nobody can reasonably be expected to wait for them to get their shit together forever.