Could this lost RAM contact tab be the route of all my problems?

Tommygunn · Oct 15, 2011, 09:13 PM

I am having an ongoing problem with my desktop which can be read about HERE.

I bought a second hand motherboard as it was my assumption that it could be the problem. However, today when I was in the process of testing it I happened to look at one of my RAM sticks and saw what is in the photo below. I don't know if this is as a result of my old board or the secondhand board.

What I can tell you is, is that after discovering this I did get the computer started and Windows reactivated with the new(old) motherboard, outside of the case.
However, after putting it all back into the case it is now doing the same thing as in my linked to post.

How might this have happened to the RAM stick?

Is this the cause of all my woes?

Tom.

Steevo · Oct 15, 2011, 09:31 PM

More than likely it is, since the pad looks burned and the contact gold foil is touching the contact next to it also.

Replace it, check the RAM slot with a magnifying glass and try it again.

n-ster · Oct 15, 2011, 09:40 PM

I would clean the RAM slots with Isopropyl Alcohol as well

Dave63 · Oct 15, 2011, 09:58 PM

This sounds like a voltage back feed from the psu on the case ground side, if it works outside the case, or a short between mobo and case.
Someone please correct me if wrong.

Tommygunn · Oct 15, 2011, 10:20 PM

Dave,
Please elaborate.

Tom.

Dave63 · Oct 15, 2011, 10:30 PM

I have seen few psu's that was going bad and had a internal short that sent a low voltage back threw the ground. when it is all mounted in the case it brings it threw the screws to the case to the mobo ground screws

Bundy · Oct 15, 2011, 10:40 PM

That pin, number 2 is the ground connection.

I would guess that the RAM is dead and shorted internally. Maybe it has been overvolted by a faulty mobo, or inserted the wrong way. Dave is also putting forward a good possibility.

Mussels · Oct 15, 2011, 10:44 PM

i've seen this happen before, most often when someone tries to jam the ram stick into the slot backwards and doesnt notice right away. they swap it around the right way after an unsuccessful boot, and then have no idea whats wrong.

Tommygunn · Oct 16, 2011, 07:03 AM

Does this also mean that by having the computer working outside of the case, regardless of RAM condition, I have now, supposadly, blown a second Mobo by mounting it in the case?

I have just taken the whole lot out of the case and it ain't working, again, i.e. as per the link to my original problem.

Just going back to a possible short with the PSU, I was able, to my mind, to eliminate the PSU as a suspect. Reason being is that I was able, through a process of elimination, to successfully use the PSU, GPU, HD in my friend's computer. Whereas, I was unable to test the Mobo, CPU and Ram due to different sockets and slots.
Would that guarantee me PSU function and bring it all back to just the Mobo, CPU and Ram?

Tom.

theJesus · Oct 16, 2011, 07:10 AM

Couldn't you try booting with just one stick? (obviously the one that isn't damaged)

n-ster · Oct 16, 2011, 07:24 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by theJesus

Couldn't you try booting with just one stick? (obviously the one that isn't damaged)

Jesus always has the answer

Tommygunn · Oct 16, 2011, 08:06 AM

No, nothing doing with just one stick.

Tom.

n-ster · Oct 16, 2011, 10:13 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tommygunn

No, nothing doing with just one stick.

Tom.

You didn't try one stick or 1 stick didn't work?

Tommygunn · Oct 16, 2011, 12:52 PM

I tried one stick, the (presumably) good one, and there was no change.

Tom.

theJesus · Oct 16, 2011, 01:11 PM

Did you try it in all the slots?

de.das.dude · Oct 16, 2011, 04:59 PM

look here is some solder on the contact area. i bet someone tried to solder the last one in.

if i were you (and you were as cookoo as me) i would cut some foil, sand a side, fix it there and solder.

Tommygunn · Oct 16, 2011, 05:43 PM

Thejesus,
I tried the 'good' stick in all slots.

De.das.dude,
My two RAM sticks are 1st hand. The burning was done in my possesion.
I'm already thinking of copper/brass foil, superglue and solder.

Tom.

dorsetknob · Oct 16, 2011, 05:47 PM

"" ello ""
Beg borrow steal some Tested working ram off of someone
when you got some working ram you can at least test those m/boards to see if they still work

From your above picture the only place to fit that ram is the waste bin

sorry if that offends you but its like useing a cpu with pins missing

""" IT IS NOT GOING TO WORK """

Darkleoco · Oct 16, 2011, 06:51 PM

If it could be the motherboard or the power supply then I would not recommend using someones working ram to try and test it when you could potentially destroy theirs as well.

Derek12 · Oct 16, 2011, 07:22 PM

That contact is totally melted, sounds like PSU as commented or some short in the board (either the new or the old one), computer case or RAM module.

OneMoar · Oct 16, 2011, 08:42 PM

a bad ram pin especially a ground pin could very well damage the cpu's IMC
sounding like you need to consider binning the whole machine and start over

eidairaman1 · Oct 16, 2011, 08:45 PM

those slots are keyed a certain way to prevent that, if u manage to jamb it in there you damaged the slot n even the board considering the amt of force required to jamb the ram in

mastrdrver · Oct 17, 2011, 03:27 AM

Reading your other thread I've got to know this: How in the world did you fit your DDR2 ram in to your friend's P55 board that uses only DDR3?

I think that is why the other stick doesn't work either if that is what you actually did.

Mussels · Oct 17, 2011, 03:38 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mastrdrver

Reading your other thread I've got to know this: How in the world did you fit your DDR2 ram in to your friend's P55 board that uses only DDR3?

I think that is why the other stick doesn't work either if that is what you actually did.

... oh god, i must know if he really tried that

mastrdrver · Oct 17, 2011, 03:48 AM

Go read the other thread. If I'm reading it correctly, that sounds like what he did.

I just hope his friend's setup is still ok.

Oct 15, 2011, 09:13 PM	#1
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Dave63 Join Date: Jun 2010 Location: Hamilton, NY Posts: 103 (0.10/day) Thanks: 30 Thanked 12 Times in 12 Posts System Specs	I have seen few psu's that was going bad and had a internal short that sent a low voltage back threw the ground. when it is all mounted in the case it brings it threw the screws to the case to the mobo ground screws

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Tommygunn Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Emilia Romagna, Italy Posts: 217 (0.09/day) Thanks: 8 Thanked 4 Times in 4 Posts System Specs	Does this also mean that by having the computer working outside of the case, regardless of RAM condition, I have now, supposadly, blown a second Mobo by mounting it in the case? I have just taken the whole lot out of the case and it ain't working, again, i.e. as per the link to my original problem. Just going back to a possible short with the PSU, I was able, to my mind, to eliminate the PSU as a suspect. Reason being is that I was able, through a process of elimination, to successfully use the PSU, GPU, HD in my friend's computer. Whereas, I was unable to test the Mobo, CPU and Ram due to different sockets and slots. Would that guarantee me PSU function and bring it all back to just the Mobo, CPU and Ram? Tom. Last edited by Tommygunn; Oct 16, 2011 at 07:26 AM.

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Oct 17, 2011, 03:48 AM	#25
mastrdrver Join Date: Feb 2009 Posts: 2,340 (1.51/day) Thanks: 497 Thanked 491 Times in 395 Posts System Specs	Go read the other thread. If I'm reading it correctly, that sounds like what he did. I just hope his friend's setup is still ok. __________________ AV-Test reports (updated Quarterly) Fan sounds, airflow, and voltage/rpm recordings: Martinm210, Cooling Technique, atreviewnet

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