Several Entry-thru-mid Radeon HD 7000 GPUs Mere Rebrands - Page 3

HumanSmoke · Nov 19, 2011, 06:16 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by newtekie1

So ATi renaming the X550 to the X1050 didn't happen then? I guess renaming the X1300XT to x1650Pro didn't either, and they definitely didn't rename the x1600 Pro to x1650...

True dat
Off the top of my head I can think of a few from both camps. The earliest I can recollect was the ATi Rage VR magically turning into the Rage XC
Nvidia:
8800GS > 9600GSO > modified > GT 130
8800GT > 9800GT (die shrink)
8800GTS512 > 9800GTX ( slightly higher clock rates)
9500GT > GT120
9800GTX > 9800GTX+ (process shrink, slightly higher clock rate)
9800GTX+ > GTS 150 > (revised) GTS 250
G210 > G310
9600GSO512 > GT330 (OEM)

ATi /AMD:
X300 > X1050
X550 > X1050
X600 > X1050
X800 XL > X800 GTO16
X1300 > X1550
X1300XT > X1600 Pro
X1600XT > X1650 Pro (GDDR3 .v. DDR2)
X1900XTX > X1950XT
Radeon 8500 > Radeon 9100
HD 4670M > HD 560V
HD 4650M > HD 5165 (slightly higher clock rate)
HD 4570M > HD 5145 (slightly higher clock rate)
HD 4500M > HD 540V
HD 4300M > HD 530V
HD 5550 > HD 6390
HD 5750 > HD 6750
HD 5770 > HD 6770

micropage7 · Nov 19, 2011, 09:40 AM

is that interesting and ironic?
some newer cards is the old one, just rebrand it add new hsf and done.

ensabrenoir · Nov 19, 2011, 12:57 PM

Bottom line.....
1.research don't depend on marketing
2.get what makes you happy- don't settle for less cause everytime something new comes out ur regrettin

ucanmandaa · Nov 19, 2011, 03:01 PM

you can add Geforce 2 > Geforce 4 mx to that list.

sneekypeet · Nov 19, 2011, 03:05 PM

Also the 2900 > 3870

Activeduke · Nov 19, 2011, 10:55 PM

So my old x1650 Pro was just an x1300 xt.. Knew there was something wrong with the card performance wise. 512mb mega slow ddr2 ram.. God i hated that card

Shihabyooo · Nov 20, 2011, 01:18 PM

*Sighs*

Disclaimer: I'm referring to AMD, Retailers that will market the products as 32nm, and some unfortunate poor bastards who will buy the cards thinking the'll get something entirely new. Not anyone in this thread >_>

eidairaman1 · Nov 21, 2011, 01:48 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by newtekie1

Oh yeah, I totally forgot about the ATi rebrands back in the R100 days...

The Radeon SDR became the Radeon 7200, and the Radeon VE became the Radeon 7000.

7000/7200 is still produced today for PCI

Xaser04 · Nov 21, 2011, 09:16 AM

Meh, bring on the HD7970 ASAP please.

3560x1920 is quite straining on a single HD6970.

I wonder if a HD5670 can max out BF3 at this resolution......

Wiselnvestor · Nov 22, 2011, 09:30 AM

I would like to point out HD 6670 6650 is a VLIW5 architecture and are different from the information we have on HD 7670 which is a more advanced VLIW4 architecture.

Furthermore, the core count on HD 7670 are 768 stream processor cores and is on TSMC 28nm HPL node, the HD 6670 however, have 480 stream processor cores and is on TSMC 40 nm node.

Right off the bat that graph from chiphell have misleading/missing info on a number of upcoming HD 7000 series of gpu.

I would like Mr Btarunr of TechPowerUp to review these indisputable discrepancies. This so call graph from a certain user on Chiphell is nothing but to spread fud.

btarunr · Nov 22, 2011, 09:42 AM

Can you please point me to the source of that table?

Wiselnvestor · Nov 22, 2011, 09:48 AM

Radeon HD 7900 series gets new architecture and XDR2 Rambus memory? From Nordichardware

http://www.nordichardware.com/news/7...us-memory.html

I believe at TPU have also reported this story sometime in Sept.

eidairaman1 · Nov 22, 2011, 10:13 AM

I think AMD should stick with GDDR5 for now because of whats goin on with the Rambus Corp.

btarunr · Nov 22, 2011, 10:21 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Wiselnvestor

Radeon HD 7900 series gets new architecture and XDR2 Rambus memory? From Nordichardware

http://www.nordichardware.com/news/7...us-memory.html

I believe at TPU have also reported this story sometime in Sept.

Ah that. As it turns out those aren't accurate. Lombok and Thames are mGPU codenames.

Wiselnvestor · Nov 22, 2011, 10:56 AM

From what info is available, AMD use a desktop version chip and lower it's clocks and vcore and use it a a mobile version.

Ex: desktop : Radeon HD 6670 with 480 Stream Processing Units @ 800 MHz
Mobile : AMD Radeon HD 6770M 480@675 / 725MHz to Radeon HD 6630M 480@485MHz

Same with HD 5000 series
Desktop: Radeon HD 5570 400@650Mhz
Mobile : Mobility Radeon HD 5770 400@650MHz to Mobility Radeon HD 5650 400@450-650MHz

Same architecture, same node for mobile and desktop version.

It is within reason to assume that if the mobile HD 7000 series use TSMC 28nm HPL node then the desktop big brother also use the same architecture and node. In this case TSMC 28nm HPL, and not a re-brand from the 40nm node.

Edit: Now that I've check that chipHell link. That poster said:
"1，凡是 H7XXX命名的显卡全部都是马甲"

translation: 1, all the graphics card that are named H7XXX are re-brands.

That statement should reveal the poster's true intentions right there.

eidairaman1 · Nov 22, 2011, 04:13 PM

Tell You the Truth Im not too worried about them. We Will see them when they come out. The sites posting this crap are just trying to get numbers, just like how TV networks are always posting negative bullshit about wuts goin on around the world.

mamailo · Feb 29, 2012, 11:42 PM

The first documented case of "rebranding" was the change name "Vanta" to "TNT2 M64" because it did not change the pcb; the silicon or anything meaningful.It was just marketing.

Banshee do not count because it was different than a Voodoo 2 or Voodoo rush

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Wiselnvestor Join Date: Sep 2010 Location: Montreal Canada Posts: 47 (0.05/day) Thanks: 21 Thanked 14 Times in 10 Posts System Specs	From what info is available, AMD use a desktop version chip and lower it's clocks and vcore and use it a a mobile version. Ex: desktop : Radeon HD 6670 with 480 Stream Processing Units @ 800 MHz Mobile : AMD Radeon HD 6770M 480@675 / 725MHz to Radeon HD 6630M 480@485MHz Same with HD 5000 series Desktop: Radeon HD 5570 400@650Mhz Mobile : Mobility Radeon HD 5770 400@650MHz to Mobility Radeon HD 5650 400@450-650MHz Same architecture, same node for mobile and desktop version. It is within reason to assume that if the mobile HD 7000 series use TSMC 28nm HPL node then the desktop big brother also use the same architecture and node. In this case TSMC 28nm HPL, and not a re-brand from the 40nm node. Edit: Now that I've check that chipHell link. That poster said: "1，凡是 H7XXX命名的显卡全部都是马甲" translation: 1, all the graphics card that are named H7XXX are re-brands. That statement should reveal the poster's true intentions right there. Last edited by Wiselnvestor; Nov 22, 2011 at 11:29 AM.

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