NVIDIA GeForce GTX 560 Ti with 448 Cores Launched

[Mindweaver]

My 470GTX is awesome for $199.. I would buy another one before I bought this 560ti for $298. Hell I only paid $230 for my 480GTX and it's close to my 5850 CF.

[newtekie1]

Originally Posted by John Doe

The 470 and the 570 in no way use the same VRM. Different inductors, different soldering job, different buck converter.

It's the 570 that has a weak VRM, not the 470. The reference 470 can easily be heavily OC'ed. To 1.087, 900 core. I've 4 of those cards here. 570's on the other hand had VRM issues. They failed on many people over OCN in the 570 club thread.

No, they two are identical, you are talking to someone with 3 GTX470, and a GTX465, and I've sold my other to GTX470s. I've also used a GTX570. The power dilivery is virtual identical. The GTX570s have no problem at all if left below 1.1v, I've yet to see a report of one blowing when below that voltage. Every report I've seen has been at 1.1v or higher. And I've seen GTX470s blow at higher than 1.1v too. The VRM on both cards is not strong enough to handle that high of current. And no, the GTX470s won't do 900MHz on 1.087v, not a single one of the ones I've had would.

Originally Posted by John Doe

The card on the picture of OP is the reference design. It's not being sold yet, but has it's PCB pictures (same as 570) out there.

No its not, it is just an nVidia marketing photo, there is no reference design for the GTX560 ti 448, the card manufacturers are free to do whatever they want with the PCB.

Originally Posted by newtekie1

NNo its not, it is just an nVidia marketing photo, there is no reference design for the GTX560 ti 448, the card manufacturers are free to do whatever they want with the PCB.

There was one in the engineering stage till they got the GPU right.

Originally Posted by newtekie1

No, they two are identical, you are talking to someone with 3 GTX470, and a GTX465, and I've sold my other to GTX470s. I've also used a GTX570. The components are identical. The GTX570s have no problem at all if left below 1.1v, I've yet to see a report of one blowing when below that voltage. Every report I've seen has been at 1.1v or higher. And I've seen GTX470s blow at higher than 1.1v too. The VRM on both cards is not strong enough to handle that high of current. And no, the GTX470s won't do 900MHz on 1.087v, not a single one of the ones I've had would.

The 570 and the 470 has an entirely different PCB with all the components from recritifiers to soldering different. The 570 is built on a 580 PCB with 4-phases whereas the 470 is a specific design. The 470 PCB is used in the 465 and the 470 only.



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[Benetanegia]

Originally Posted by John Doe

I'm talking about the card's built itself, the board. Not the core. This card IS NOT a 470. It's more of a 570 than a 470. 470's weren't based on a bunch of non-ref designs thrown across. You're the one that's not understanding what's being spoken here. He said the card is simply a 470, and it isn't. GIGO.

No one argued about the PCB, no one. Sorry, but it's too late to steer that boat and dodge the iceberg. No one's going to save your day.

You posted the architecture overview of both the 470 and 460 ti 448 and claimed a difference, to which I responded. You were clearly talking about architecture and not the PCB. After I replied to your post with the architecture overviews, you continued to claim same thing, talking about disabled blocks, where you were clearly wrong and even after being corrected you continued arguing.

No one is confused about what is being spoken here, except maybe you:

Originally Posted by LAN_deRf_HA

Aside from the G110 core this is basically a 470, spec wise.

Originally Posted by LAN_deRf_HA

No, not all. It's as I said. The power consumption part is surely coincidental due to the core, board, and PCB changes, but those specs being the same (448, 40, 320, 1280) is not. There's only so many choices with this architecture.

He specifically acknoleged the difference in PCB. Don't embarass us further with a response to this. It's off topic and I may have already crossed the line with this post.

[newtekie1]

Originally Posted by John Doe

There was one in the engineering stage till they got the GPU right.

http://www.pc-union.org/wp-content/u...-570-GF110.jpg

Ok, and your point? There is still no official reference design, it is up to the manufacturers to use whatever PCB they want. Oh, and notice how the core is a rectangle like the GF114 not a square like the GF110. Are you sure that is the engineering sample for the GF110 based GTX560 Ti 448? It seems to me the engineering sample would just be a GTX570 PCB...

Originally Posted by John Doe

The 570 and the 470 has an entirely different PCB with all the components from recritifiers to soldering different. The 570 is built on a 580 PCB with 4-phases whereas the 470 is a specific design. The 470 PCB is used in the 465 and the 470 only.

http://www.ixbt.com/video3/images/re...scan-front.jpg

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I'm not arguing that they use a different PCB. I'm saying that they just moved components that are essentially identical around, but in the end what they are capable of is identical.

And also, as I said, with no reference PCB the manufacturers are able to use whatever they want. Which is why a lot are using their higher end custom PCBs.


Just look at the Zotac W1z reviewed, it is probably the most basic of the reviewed cards. Notice how the components used are the same as the GTX470?


Now the reference GTX570 does use different components, but their capabilities are the same.

Inductors are the only similarity between the Zotac 560 Ti 448 and a 470, nothing else.

As for the 570, it doesn't have the same capability as a 470. 470's can easily take 1.087 where 570's give up at the same volts. 470's didn't have such VRM issues and the 570 certainly doesn't have the same regulators as the 470.

[newtekie1]

Originally Posted by John Doe

Inductors are the only similarity between the Zotac 560 Ti 448 and a 470, nothing else.

As for the 570, it doesn't have the same capability as a 470. 470's can easily take 1.087 where 570's give up at the same volts. 470's didn't have such VRM issues and the 570 certainly doesn't have the same regulators as the 470.

GTX570's don't give up at the same voltage, show me one example of a 570 dieing at 1.087v. You can't because they are fine at that voltage. It is the higher voltages that kill them, and people were assuming that just because nVidia lets them set a higher voltage, that they should. Which is a bad assumption. That is why GTX570s were popping. They are perfectly fine if you keep the voltage under 1.10v. And the GTX470s pop if you go beyond 1.10v too, I've done it.

[badtaylorx]

yeah.......and the 470 can cook a potato too........

can this p.o.s get hot enough to do that AND make your ears bleed from sound pressure....

i think not.....

anywho......this thing sux....just another nvidia re-brand.......ill take a quality ti over this thing anyday....ie a sparkle calibre df.......(that thing can outgun a 570 as it sits anyway)

[Syborfical]

Why not call it a GTX 565 TI :P

[badtaylorx]

because the 465 was a HORRIBLE card...and i dont think nvidia wants that card associated with this one

[Casecutter]

Actually thought this wouldn’t be as good in power or performance/watts, it’s not bad in some ways almost better. Though considering the Asus 570 "3 slot giant" version (identical to the one W1zzard had in his review) went for $300 a few days ago... I’m not seeing it. Ok, no big rebate to endure, but based on what’s being said, there very limited quantities. So going forward they’ll probably evaporate like a cup of water on parched sand, no real price break or rebates.
A perfectly good use of binned production.

[matar]

DAJVO.
I don't understand nVIDIA Why not name it GTX 565. or GTX 560 Ultra or GTX 560 TX
Just like the GTX 260 192sp then GTX 260 216sp but at least manufacture had there own names like core 216 AND then nvidia come out with GTX 260 55nm and they still name it GTX 260 now this time with a +. still not GTX 265.
May be i think if they come out with a new name they have to buy some copying rights.
At least name it GTX 560 Ultra.
How can you show off you card if one has the GTX 560 ti & the other has the GTX 560 ti then you have to say oh mine is the 448 cores.

[btarunr]

Originally Posted by Syborfical

Why not call it a GTX 565 TI :P

The designation is meant to reflect the fact that this is not an addition to NVIDIA's 500 series line-up, but rather a limited edition product.