Radeon HD 7970: Bulldozer vs. Sandy Bridge vs. Nehalem

[ensabrenoir]

This will never end...... when ivy comes and renders everything else irrellevant the wait a few more years till software catches up arguement will continue...... If looked at from the right angle.... Even the most crookedest(not sure if thats a word) line looks straight.

[abundant threading]

Originally Posted by trickson

Who cares as long as you get the best! AMD has only AMD to blame! If they want to do better then they better step it up!

If you don't care about CPU's costing 2, 3, 4 times as much your an idiot.

Oh, and inovation will also stop.

[trickson]

Originally Posted by abundant threading

If you don't care about CPU's costing 2, 3, 4 times as much you an idiot.

Oh, and innovation will also stop.

Are you high? Just how do you think this is going to happen? Man AMD is still a head to head contender! They may not be out right on top but still contenders none the less. Put the pipe down and step away from the bong! Innovation will stop? Are you smoking pot?

[Super XP]

not an AM2+ like mine, not to say my 940 doesn't handle Crysis 2 fairly well at full graphics with a 6870.

It won't do well at high settings with your setup. I used to have the 940 @ 3.60GHz with the HD 6970 and could not go high PQ regardless. This was for games such as Metro 2033 and the Crysis series.

Now that I have a FX 8120 @ 4.40GHz, I can set the PQ to high (playable frame rates), but not super Max. Anybody claiming otherwise is full of shit.

[abundant threading]

Originally Posted by trickson

Are you high? Just how do you think this is going to happen? Man AMD is still a head to head contender! They may not be out right on top but still contenders none the less. Put the pipe down and step away from the bong! Innovation will stop? Are you smoking pot?

I'm talking if Intel kill AMD, no competition prices go up, investment and innovation stops..... its not hard to understand.

Every review site shows / portrays AMD's as junk. it will kill AMD if things don't improve, AMD have already suggested they are pulling out of competing with Intel in x86 and concentrate on mobile, If PD does not pick it up they will pull out, that will free Intel of competition, that's not good. it may even kill the enthusiast market all together, unless your rich.

[trickson]

Originally Posted by abundant threading

I'm talking if Intel kill AMD, no competition prices go up, investment and innovation stops..... its not hard to understand.

Every review site shows / portrays AMD's as junk. it will kill AMD if things don't improve.

Man you are high! AMD will never be killed off by Intel! BD is NOT THAT FAR BEHIND AT ALL!! Look at what you are saying. Every review site shows or portrays AMD as JUNK? Really that is what you got from this review? Is that AMD is JUNK? Man please do us all a favor and post when you are sober not high!

Yes Intel is the crown champ but NOT BY MUCH AT ALL! Not in the way that will kill AMD or prevent more innovation or price hikes! You are see this as black and white. It is not that cut and dry my friend. AMD has the lead in cores it has the lead when it comes to APU'S! So there is no validation in what you are saying. AMD is still a very hard contender and Intel will never put them down.

[abundant threading]

Originally Posted by trickson

Man you are high! AMD will never be killed off by Intel! BD is NOT THAT FAR BEHIND AT ALL!! Look at what you are saying. Every review site shows or portrays AMD as JUNK? Really that is what you got from this review? Is that AMD is JUNK? Man please do us all a favor and post when you are sober not high!

Yes Intel is the crown champ but NOT BY MUCH AT ALL! Not in the way that will kill AMD or prevent more innovation or price hikes! You are see this as black and white. It is not that cut and dry my friend. AMD has the lead in cores it has the lead when it comes to APU'S! So there is no validation in what you are saying. AMD is still a very hard contender and Intel will never put them down.

Show me a single game review where the FX-8150 can match a 2600K let alone a 2500K which is cheaper, most reviews show the FX to be way behind even the 2500K, Intel already own 86% of market share, AMD have about 15% and that's falling to Intel, AMD are loosing money by the truck load because of there x86 CPU's and the investment they have tied up there.

AMD have said they are done competing with Intel and are looking to pull out of the enthusiasts market.

[trickson]

[xenocide]

Originally Posted by abundant threading

AMD have said they are done competing with Intel and are looking to pull out of the enthusiasts market.

This is not technicdally accurate. They said they were done competing at the high end, and were going to focus on things like APU's and Mid-Range\Entry Level products. They will still compete with Intel there, but they won't be constantly trying to take the performance crown. To be honest, I think it was just a mind game on AMD's part to say that, I think they just wanted everyone to lower their expectations so if they do release a highly competative product people are blown away.

As for your claim to no competition, you are very wrong. If Intel kills AMD, they would be disassembled by Anti-Trust Watchdogs almost instantly. If that weren' the case, they would be forced to compete with themselves, a foe much scarier than AMD lol. If AMD were not around, and Intel never innovated, why would people buy new computers? Or upgrade to new hardware? Guess what would happen if people stopped buying new computer parts because they never needed to upgrade and upgrading resulted in no benefit and was far too costly, Intel would be dead in a few years.

People need to remember that if Intel wants people to keep buying their products, they have to keep making them better. AMD's CPU's aren't the only thing driving Intel to be competative.

[trickson]

Originally Posted by xenocide

This is not technicdally accurate. They said they were done competing at the high end, and were going to focus on things like APU's and Mid-Range\Entry Level products. They will still compete with Intel there, but they won't be constantly trying to take the performance crown. To be honest, I think it was just a mind game on AMD's part to say that, I think they just wanted everyone to lower their expectations so if they do release a highly competative product people are blown away.

As for your claim to no competition, you are very wrong. If Intel kills AMD, they would be disassembled by Anti-Trust Watchdogs almost instantly. If that weren' the case, they would be forced to compete with themselves, a foe much scarier than AMD lol. If AMD were not around, and Intel never innovated, why would people buy new computers? Or upgrade to new hardware? Guess what would happen if people stopped buying new computer parts because they never needed to upgrade and upgrading resulted in no benefit and was far too costly, Intel would be dead in a few years.

People need to remember that if Intel wants people to keep buying their products, they have to keep making them better. AMD's CPU's aren't the only thing driving Intel to be competative.

Well said my friend! Well said! This is one thing AMD fanboys keep FAILING to see.

[abundant threading]

How is Intel competing with themselves going to be any sort of problem?

APU's are aimed mainly at the mobile / low end desktop market, that is where they will move to. anything the likes of you and me want would be provided only by Intel, they can set prices to whatever they want, high profit, less- labour, FAB, production, investment costs.

You don't seriously believe that with AMD not competing at this level prices will stay unchanged do you? and what reason would they have to work on new stuff other then boosting the performance or efficiency every so often to keep pepople upgrading.

Competition is good.... that's all.

[trickson]

Originally Posted by abundant threading

Competition is good.... that's all.

Do you think for one second Intel doesn't know this? Just what is it about Intel that makes you think this is going to happen any way? Remember back in the Athlon days when AMD was #1? How they priced there shit so high you needed a grand or more for there coveted FX and FX Black CPU's ? When AMD was on top Intel still thrived with the P4 crap! P4 is what Bulldozer is now. AMD is going to be on top again it will take some time but never fear there is going to be a time soon that AMD pulls the big guns out.
I remember a time when AMD called out Intel, Yes they challenged Intel to a CPU face off, Now look at what they got! They got SMACKED DOWN! Bitch slapped like a 2 dollar whore! And what is supper funny is the DOOM and gloom the AMD fanboys are preaching! No it is far from over pall.
Core wars begun have they.

[abundant threading]

Your making assumptions, AMD would do the same if Intel was out of the picture i know that, competition is good....

And you might be right, AMD may well have something up there sleeves that drops a vast boom right at the heart of Intel, they have done it before as you eluded to, but while such a possibility exists, to me that is very unlikely.

[Mussels]

i cant beleive the amount of hate just beacause BD is a small amount behind intel. this isnt like the old days where there was massive differences (netburst vs A64), most people wont even notice - especially not on a single GPU setup.


i wish you fanboys could just grow up. you dont need to pick a side and fight everyone who picked the other side, just buy whichever one suits you, and shut the hell up about it -.-

[trickson]

Originally Posted by Mussels

i cant beleive the amount of hate just beacause BD is a small amount behind intel. this isnt like the old days where there was massive differences (netburst vs A64), most people wont even notice - especially not on a single GPU setup.


i wish you fanboys could just grow up. you dont need to pick a side and fight everyone who picked the other side, just buy whichever one suits you, and shut the hell up about it -.-

I agree. I like them both really. I just wished I could afford an AMD setup right now. Put this old tired Q9650 to rest.

[xenocide]

Originally Posted by abundant threading

Your making assumptions, AMD would do the same if Intel was out of the picture i know that, competition is good....

This is the kind of thinking that leads to duopolies where the consumer always loses. Look at ISP's in the United States, sure, nobody really has a monopoly, but they have unofficial agreements about pricing and availability that basically means you are stuck with 1 ISP if you want decent high-speed internet, and they usually charge a fortune for any service they offer.

You said APU's are targetted towards mobile\low-end? AMD's strategy is to make it so APU's are acceptable to everyone except enthusiasts. Trinity looks like a real game changer in the laptop market, and that is the kind of stuff that is going to keep AMD in the running. Bulldozer is good at 8 cores, but when you go down to 6 or 4 it just becomes awful compared to even last generation offerings.

[Super XP]

Originally Posted by abundant threading

I'm talking if Intel kill AMD, no competition prices go up, investment and innovation stops..... its not hard to understand.

Every review site shows / portrays AMD's as junk. it will kill AMD if things don't improve, AMD have already suggested they are pulling out of competing with Intel in x86 and concentrate on mobile, If PD does not pick it up they will pull out, that will free Intel of competition, that's not good. it may even kill the enthusiast market all together, unless your rich.

I believe xenocide summed it up quite nice. In regards to Review Sites portraying AMD as junk, I don't think so, that is going way overboard IMO. A lot of them are in shock because of Bulldozers super hype.

AMD telling the media that they are no longer going to compete with Intel in the high end is nonesense. You can easily refrase this as AMD won't be chasing Intel in the high end, there's no way AMD can take Intel on head on anymore at this time. Intel's R&D is massive.

What I believe AMD is saying in code is we are no longer going to chase Intel in the high end. It does not say AMD is going to stop making high end Desktop CPU's. They will continue to supply to meet demand. Nothing wrong with mid range, because the majority of gamers don't buy high end anyway. And this is where AMD caters too.

Is the FX 8120 and FX 8150 AMD's high end Desktop CPU's? Yup, which is why I bought one

[abundant threading]

The trouble is there isn't enough demand and its falling, the only reason AMD have not gone under already is because unlike there CPU's there GPU's are very good, they are fast, efficient, powerful (everything FX are not) people like them and they are selling very well.

Shocked? yes....

I was looking forward to FX, I have a 6 core Phenom II and i love it, it runs nicely at 4.3Ghz on an inexpensive cooler, it can handle any game pretty well, in multithreading the thing is for its money untouchable, it shrugs off just about anything you can throw at it, no it doesn't bench as high in single threaded x86 as a SB i5, but its never far behind and it can easily be excused considering how old it is, so old people have been yearning for something new for years.

Then finally.... it came! They finally dumped the ancient K8 design, not unreasonable to expect the core for core performance to have been brought up that little bit to match the 2500K, and 8 of them..... WOW......yeah what an anticlimax, it can't even match my Phenom II in any aspect.

For me to upgrade is a step? no fall and break my leg.... down, so the wait continues.

[Daimus]

Originally Posted by abundant threading

Show me a single game review where the FX-8150 can match a 2600K let alone a 2500K which is cheaper, most reviews show the FX to be way behind even the 2500K

Something found.
http://www.hardwareheaven.com/review...evolution.html

http://www.hardwareheaven.com/review...w-f1-2011.html

http://www.hardwareheaven.com/review...-shogun-2.html

[abundant threading]

Originally Posted by Daimus

Something found.
http://www.hardwareheaven.com/review...evolution.html

http://www.hardwareheaven.com/review...w-f1-2011.html

http://www.hardwareheaven.com/review...-shogun-2.html

Great, fantastic... there's 3 wins for FX. lets have more of that, thanks

[Daimus]

Originally Posted by abundant threading

Great, fantastic... there's 3 wins for FX. lets have more of that, thanks

You asked for at least one review, I did. With regard to competition, you're somewhat right. If there is no competition in high-end - prices will not fall.

[abundant threading]

Yeah, I'm just getting greedy now thanks for that.

[Daimus]

Originally Posted by abundant threading

Yeah, I'm just getting greedy now

Why so sarcastic? It's not so bad, and as has already been said here, losing in the games a little, fits in price difference.

[Red_Machine]

ALL HAIL NEHALEM.

[xenocide]

That review was the only one from the FX-8150 launch that showed the FX Setup winning, I remember seeing it cited dozens of times. Something is telling about the fact that there are dozens of reviews that show SB setups winning and only a couple where FX is even on par... just saying...