Radeon HD 7970: Bulldozer vs. Sandy Bridge vs. Nehalem

W1zzard · Dec 29, 2011, 09:41 AM

To read this review go to: http://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/A...0_CPU_Scaling/

qubit · Dec 29, 2011, 10:46 PM

Excellent review.

Unfortunately, Bulldozer is what it is and it doesn't matter what system you put it in, you get about the same results.

I look forward to an updated version of this review once the Windows threading patch comes out.

Wrigleyvillain · Dec 29, 2011, 10:48 PM

Thanks

Andrei23 · Dec 29, 2011, 10:49 PM

Nice review. but bulldozer is still a fail for gaming.

Dj-ElectriC · Dec 29, 2011, 10:50 PM

2500K, Chuck norris use this CPU.
thanks for the megabench w1zz, i know how long and frustrating are all those tests

Frick · Dec 29, 2011, 10:55 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Andrei23

Nice review. but bulldozer is still a fail for gaming.

Naah. It's slower than SB but holds up good against .. that older Intel chip. But yeah, if you're a hardcore gamer intel is the way to go.

BTW, it would be awesome if Battlefield 3 was to be included there.

TotalChaos · Dec 29, 2011, 10:57 PM

nice comparison looks like AMD still has work to do !

W1zzard · Dec 29, 2011, 10:59 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Frick

BTW, it would be awesome if Battlefield 3 was to be included there.

http://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/A...Scaling/5.html

how could you not find it in the alphabetically sorted list of games ?

Frick · Dec 29, 2011, 11:00 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by W1zzard

http://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/A...Scaling/5.html

how could you not find it in the alphabetically sorted list of games ?

Beats me. I don't really know what I was thinking there.

mastrdrver · Dec 29, 2011, 11:01 PM

Very nice, thanks!

A request? How about the same with with crossfire comparing FX and Thuban?

Damn_Smooth · Dec 29, 2011, 11:04 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mastrdrver

Very nice, thanks!

A request? How about the same with with crossfire comparing FX and Thuban?

The results would be a minimal difference. It sounds like a waste of time.

JustaTinkerer · Dec 29, 2011, 11:16 PM

While we are on the subject of requests, any chance of doctoring the results so bulldozer wins something...anything, put in a category like "comes in a nice looking box" bulldozer might win something....make me feel better about my choice, and I only have the 8120!
Cant believe the 920 beat it more times than not, only thing I want to play now is 3d mark 11 and that's not even a game...
Could have saved my self some cash and just picked up a 920 for £80-90.
This patch better be some kind of magic, Merlin himself better be writing it.

newtekie1 · Dec 29, 2011, 11:20 PM

I'd like to see this again, but this time with "modest" overclocks on the CPUs. Say the SandyBridge at 4.0GHz, the Nehalem at 3.6-3.8GHz, and the Bulldozer at 4.0GHz+.

None the less, a very nice review, and really goes to show that upgrading CPUs isn't really a priority right now.

mediasorcerer · Dec 29, 2011, 11:45 PM

Good bit of info,thanx.

FreedomEclipse · Dec 29, 2011, 11:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by newtekie1

I'd like to see this again, but this time with "modest" overclocks on the CPUs. Say the SandyBridge at 4.0GHz, the Nehalem at 3.6-3.8GHz, and the Bulldozer at 4.0GHz+.

None the less, a very nice review, and really goes to show that upgrading CPUs isn't really a priority right now.

I think there was a review of this not long before or after BDs release. It showed that clock for clock. SB still beat the hell out of BD.

you can overclock it but the performance gains wouldnt be anywhere near as big as Intels.

fullinfusion · Dec 29, 2011, 11:52 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by newtekie1

I'd like to see this again, but this time with "modest" overclocks on the CPUs. Say the SandyBridge at 4.0GHz, the Nehalem at 3.6-3.8GHz, and the Bulldozer at 4.0GHz+.

None the less, a very nice review, and really goes to show that upgrading CPUs isn't really a priority right now.

The BD wouldnt show anything different then the review shows... There junk till about 4.8GHz and by that time your looking for a way to cool the bitch.
And shows not to bother upgrading cpu's now.... only if you own a Bulldozer its time to upgrade

Quote:

Originally Posted by qubit

Excellent review.

Unfortunately, Bulldozer is what it is and it doesn't matter what system you put it in, you get about the same results.

I look forward to an updated version of this review once the Windows threading patch comes out.

I wouldnt waste the man's time... It's more then a patch thats going to make this cpu shine. Toss it on the train tracks and after its rolled over and over is about the best it'll shine.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Damn_Smooth

The results would be a minimal difference. It sounds like a waste of time.

I 2nd that

DrunkenMafia · Dec 30, 2011, 12:04 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Andrei23

Nice review. but bulldozer is still a fail for gaming.

I have a FX for gaming and its the best gaming machine I have ever owned.

fullinfusion · Dec 30, 2011, 12:04 AM

^ sorry to hear that JJ

Quote:

Originally Posted by FreedomEclipse

I think there was a review of this not long before or after BDs release. It showed that clock for clock. SB still beat the hell out of BD.

you can overclock it but the performance gains wouldnt be anywhere near as big as Intels.

you got that right...
Look at the same clocks vs clocks...
Bulldozer 8150 @ 5ghz

Same clocks but on a SB 2700K
Both systems had the memory speeds and timings as well as the gpu was 1000/1500MHz for both runs... SB Is a huge winner

qubit · Dec 30, 2011, 12:09 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Frick

Beats me. I don't really know what I was thinking there.

You muppet!

Don't worry, you're not alone in this...

Quote:

Originally Posted by fullinfusion

I wouldnt waste the man's time... It's more then a patch thats going to make this cpu shine. Toss it on the train tracks and after its rolled over and over is about the best it'll shine.

Sure, it won't change dramatically, but I think it would be nice to perhaps have a quick version of it with just a couple of games out of interest, though.

Toss it on the tracks, oh so cruel... lol

fullinfusion · Dec 30, 2011, 12:13 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by qubit

Sure, it won't change dramatically, but I think it would be nice to perhaps have a quick version of it with just a couple of games out of interest, though.

Toss it on the tracks, oh so cruel... lol

lol but its true hahahahahaha

karnak · Dec 30, 2011, 12:27 AM

Great article, but I would like to see a redux with eyefinity on all games. That would be interesting.

Jstn7477 · Dec 30, 2011, 12:29 AM

It's interesting that in some games Bulldozer only seems to do good at 2560*1600 while being slowest on the rest of the resolutions. My only guess is that the card is taxed at that resolution, negating any CPU differences.

Glad I went 2600K + Z68, as it looks like I shouldn't need an upgrade for a while. AMD and I had some good years, but the performance has been "meh" for quite some time. I know my 4GHz 955BE wouldn't be able to hold 120FPS in Team Fortress 2 on my ASUS VG236H, but my Intel does 98% of the time (if a poorly optimized map comes up or my system has been on for too long it does drop). I'd be interested to see how BD does in that game, as it is still very CPU intensive and doesn't like AMD CPUs too much it seems.

Thanks for the review, W1zzard! Good to know I made a good investment.

Aleksander · Dec 30, 2011, 12:30 AM

Quote:

So if if you still have a first-generation Core i7, there's no need for you to upgrade

Remove an if please

Nice idea of making a review like this one
I don't understand why sandy bridge with the core i5 is so powerful
when it has less parameters showed in the table?

eidairaman1 · Dec 30, 2011, 12:50 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by qubit

Excellent review.

Unfortunately, Bulldozer is what it is and it doesn't matter what system you put it in, you get about the same results.

I look forward to an updated version of this review once the Windows threading patch comes out.

That and the Revised CPU arch (Stepping) or Piledriver Arch)

Bulldozer is far from a fail or horrible just many people blow it out of proportion (all fanboys which are blind anyway). (I do build AMD or Intel machines for clients, all depends on their budget)

Tell you truth I really want to see Skulltrail 2 or FX dual Machines again

1Kurgan1 · Dec 30, 2011, 12:53 AM

Nice review, though would have been interesting to see a 100t in there just for comparison sake to the 8150, as I hear everyone saying that the PII's are faster.

Dec 29, 2011, 09:41 AM	#1
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qubit Overclocked quantum bit Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Quantumville UK Posts: 8,648 (4.34/day) Thanks: 4,178 Thanked 3,303 Times in 1,943 Posts System Specs	Excellent review. Unfortunately, Bulldozer is what it is and it doesn't matter what system you put it in, you get about the same results. I look forward to an updated version of this review once the Windows threading patch comes out. __________________ Siggie in the post.

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Andrei23 Join Date: Dec 2010 Posts: 237 (0.27/day) Thanks: 21 Thanked 24 Times in 16 Posts	Nice review. but bulldozer is still a fail for gaming.

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Jstn7477 Join Date: Aug 2009 Location: Sarasota, Florida, USA Posts: 3,136 (2.30/day) Thanks: 387 Thanked 1,193 Times in 805 Posts System Specs	It's interesting that in some games Bulldozer only seems to do good at 25601600 while being slowest on the rest of the resolutions. My only guess is that the card is taxed at that resolution, negating any CPU differences. Glad I went 2600K + Z68, as it looks like I shouldn't need an upgrade for a while. AMD and I had some good years, but the performance has been "meh" for quite some time. I know my 4GHz 955BE wouldn't be able to hold 120FPS in Team Fortress 2 on my ASUS VG236H, but my Intel does 98% of the time (if a poorly optimized map comes up or my system has been on for too long it does drop). I'd be interested to see how BD does in that game, as it is still very CPU intensive and doesn't like AMD CPUs too much it seems. Thanks for the review, W1zzard! Good to know I made a good investment. __________________ Intel Crunchers (27 threads):* 2x 3770K 4.3G (14t), 2600K 4G (7t), X3210 (3t), P-M 735A, P4 HT 3G AMD Crunchers (11 cores):1100T 3.6G (3t), 1045T 3.4G (2t), X3 8550 2.5G, X2 4200+, T64 ML-37 AMD Folders (6272 GCN cores): 2x 7950 1125/1475, 7970 1150/1650, 7770 1100/1200 NV Folders (2336 GF10x + 1344 GK104 cores):GTX 470 & 465 720/1715, 4x 460 768MB 825/2000, GTS 450, 660Ti 1228/6000 HEATWARE

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Software:	Windows 7 Pro x64 + Ubuntu 12.10 \| Windows 8 Pro x64 (laptop)
Benchmarks:	120FPS in the games I play? :P

System Name:	Mercury
Processor:	Phenom II x4 B50
Motherboard:	ASUS M4A89GTD PRO
Cooling:	Cooler Master Hyper TX3
Memory:	6GB Ram (4GBx1 Corsair 2GBx1 Nanya)
Video Card:	PowerColor AX6770 V2.0
Hard Disk:	1TB Hitachi, 500 GB WD Blue
Optical Drive:	DVD-RAM
CRT/LCD Model:	Philips 247E-LPH 24" 1920x1080
Case:	Mercury
Sound Card:	Integrated Realtek
PSU:	Corsair 750TX
Software:	Windows 7 64-bit
Benchmarks:	Maybe it is time to benchmark :D

System Name:	BS03/04
Processor:	AMD Athlon XP-M 2500+ 2.2GHz 1.5V
Motherboard:	DFI LanParty NFII Ultra-B Bios (TicTac 3D Fire R2)
Cooling:	4 Antec 80mm, TR SI-97 Adapted TT Big Typhoon Fan 120MM
Memory:	2GB Mushkin Redline 4000 @ 200 MHz 2.5V
Video Card:	Sapphire R1950Pro 512MB AGP 1.5V
Hard Disk:	250 & 400 GB Seagate Baracuda 10 SATA
Optical Drive:	2x Samsung Multiformat Rewritable Drives
CRT/LCD Model:	NEC Multisync LCD 1700V
Case:	Antec SX830 EATX Case
Sound Card:	Creative Labs SB XFi Xtreme Music & SB PCI 512
PSU:	Antec NEO HE 500 Watt
Software:	Windows 7 Home Premium
Benchmarks:	Win 7 Eval. CPU 3.9 Ram 4.5 Graphics 6.0 HD 5.7

Dec 30, 2011, 12:53 AM	#25
1Kurgan1 The Knife in your Back Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: Duluth, Minnesota Posts: 6,718 (4.13/day) Thanks: 3,098 Thanked 2,315 Times in 1,559 Posts System Specs	Nice review, though would have been interesting to see a 100t in there just for comparison sake to the 8150, as I hear everyone saying that the PII's are faster. __________________ Youtube - The WarZ Myths + Gameplay, BF3 Weapon Reviews and more Dual Loop HAF 922 Build \| Dxtory and x264 Codec Guide “Daniel Craig is my Wookiee bitch now!” -Harrison Ford

System Name:	My Comp \| Fiancees Comp
Processor:	i7 2600k 5.0Ghz 1.45v\| i3 2100
Motherboard:	AsRock Fatal1ty Pro P67 \| ASRock H61M-GE
Cooling:	Watercooled
Memory:	16GB G.Skill 2133 DDR3 \| 4GB DDR3
Video Card:	2x 7970 WC 1300/1680 + 9800GT \| MSI 5850 OC
Hard Disk:	128gb SSD + 2x 2TB \| WD 500GB
Optical Drive:	DVD-RW \| DVD-RW
CRT/LCD Model:	Asus 27" LCD \| 25" Hanns G
Case:	CM HAF 922 \| CM Elite 430
PSU:	Enermax Galaxy 1250W \| PC&P 750W
Software:	Win 7 x64 \| Win 7 x64

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