Can a damage HDD reduce your fps?

Chapapa07 · Jul 9, 2012, 01:46 PM

I think my hard drive is the cause of the low performance I get in some games like Tom Clancy's Splinter Cell: Conviction, Crysis 1 and maybe.. Battlefield 3.

The HDD is already desfragmented.

According to a program called CrystalDiskInfo, the status of my hard drive is "caution".

This is what Acronis-Drive-Monitor says about my HDD:

This is my seagate 375 gb (400): Refurbished: Seagate Barracuda 7200.8 ST3400832AS ...

My seagate makes the same noise of a damaged seagate HDD shown in this video in the
minute 1:47, my HDD doesn't make any click noise.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3-BXP...layer_embedded

My pc:
Q83002.5 ghz Core 2 Quad
MSI GTX 550 OC edition you
4 gb ram ddr2 800
ecs g31tm7
PSU: OCZ Fatal1ty 550 W
1280x1024 maximum resolution

On Tom Clancy's Splinter Cell: Conviction maxed out, when Im in an enclosed area or just looking at a small space, the usage of my my card (according to MSI Afterbunner) is between 75-87% and I get between 38 fps and 45 but when I'm in an open area the use of my card drop to 43-54%, my fps drops to 16-23. When Im in a opened area and the game is maxed out my fps are between 16-19 and when set the settigns to the lowest, I get 4 more fps... Eventhough this game just use 2 cores, is imposible that with my pc I get such a poor performance. I have a similar issue with crysis 1 in certain missions but the fps are a lot better than in splinter cell.

In Battlefield 3 at 1280x1024 on high on team deathmatch, there are times when I get 38-41 average fps (the usage of the vcard is 92-98%) and suddenly my fps drops to 25-29 (the usage of the vcard drops to 67% ).

These are my options, if I should replace my HDD:

WD:

Western Digital Caviar Blue WD5000AAKS 500GB 7200 ...

Seagate:

Seagate Barracuda ST31000524AS 1TB 7200 RPM 32MB C...

Which one is better?, The difference in storage capacity does not matter at all to me, 500 gb is enough, the WD costs $ 92 dollars while the seagate costs 120 in my country .

TheMailMan78 · Jul 9, 2012, 01:58 PM

Yes a bad drive can effect FPS. Run the Seagate tool on your HD. Running third party software doesnt mean the drive is bad. If the Seagate tool reports an error after the long test RMA the drive. If it doesnt chances are the drive is fine and you have other issues.

brandonwh64 · Jul 9, 2012, 01:59 PM

I recommend the WD blue drive

Norton · Jul 9, 2012, 02:00 PM

I would go with the WD Blue drive... it has a longer warranty (3 yrs) than that Seagate (1 yr). If you want a 5 yr warranty, look for a similar priced WD Black drive

I only buy WD Blue drives and have had good luck with them so far. Others may have a different opinion of them...

Chapapa07 · Jul 9, 2012, 02:08 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TheMailMan78

Yes a bad drive can effect FPS. Run the Seagate tool on your HD. Running third party software doesnt mean the drive is bad. If the Seagate tool reports an error after the long test RMA the drive. If it doesnt chances are the drive is fine and you have other issues.

Ok, I will run the seagate tool, about the RMA... is just not valid in my case because I have 2 years with the drive and Im not even the original owner.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Norton

I would go with the WD Blue drive... it has a longer warranty (3 yrs) than that Seagate (1 yr). If you want a 5 yr warranty, look for a similar priced WD Black drive

I only buy WD Blue drives and have had good luck with them so far. Others may have a different opinion of them...

In my country, I would just have 6 months of warranty regardless of what drive I choose, and the HDDs I posted are the better options... yeah I know, that sucks.

INSTG8R · Jul 9, 2012, 02:14 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Norton

I would go with the WD Blue drive... it has a longer warranty (3 yrs) than that Seagate (1 yr). If you want a 5 yr warranty, look for a similar priced WD Black drive

I only buy WD Blue drives and have had good luck with them so far. Others may have a different opinion of them...

+1 on the WD Blacks. I had always been a Seagate man until I built this rig and caught the Blacks on sale. Great drives!

Chapapa07 · Jul 9, 2012, 02:17 PM

I cant buy any WD black drive

INSTG8R · Jul 9, 2012, 02:22 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Chapapa07

I cant buy any WD black drive

Shame. Then Blue it is.

Chapapa07 · Jul 9, 2012, 02:27 PM

So...guys, did you read the entire original post?...., is my hdd the culprit of my poor performance in the games I mentioned?

INSTG8R · Jul 9, 2012, 02:28 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Chapapa07

So...guys, did you read the entire original post...., is my hdd the culprit of my poor performance in the games I mentioned?

Well run Seatools as suggested and report back.

DanTheBanjoman · Jul 9, 2012, 03:12 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Chapapa07

So...guys, did you read the entire original post?...., is my hdd the culprit of my poor performance in the games I mentioned?

Unlikely. It wouldn't really lower your FPS but instead make things choppy as data can't be loaded fast enough. Once everything is loaded performance should be fine.

Elmo · Jul 9, 2012, 03:13 PM

Honestly i bought a wd black and i did not find so good.. in terms of speed , its maybe me because im used to ssd but yeh.. if u have the money get an ssd instead or raid 2 wd black. Anyhow .. open cmd and type chkdsk r/f/x besides that do u hear any ticking sounds? Make sure the sata is connected properly

W1zzard · Jul 9, 2012, 06:18 PM

broken hdd will likely result in choppy gameplay, not a smooth reduction in fps.
loading screens might take longer, and since they are static you might not see the choppiness.

for me: reallocated sector count > 10 = RMA

yours is at 10, i'd observe it a bit longer, if it goes up RMA the drive, or at least make a backup very soon

Frag Maniac · Jul 9, 2012, 08:43 PM

The Hitachi Deskstar 7K3000 2TB HDD is a very good one and very fast. It's also slowly coming back down toward the $120 price it was at before the flood. I had a chance to get one for $100 on a Newegg email promo just before the flood and I'm still kicking myself for not jumping on it.

HGST Deskstar 7K3000 HDS723020BLA642 (0f12115) 2TB...

Chevalr1c · Jul 9, 2012, 10:06 PM

TPU'ers, what are you doing? Why don't help him troubleshooting this and verify the cause of the issue instead of recommending new drives instantly? Oh and please do not condemn a brand on warranty periods because those are internationally different (e.g. SG gives a 3 year warranty in all, if not most European countries).

Thank you.

TheMailMan78 · Jul 9, 2012, 10:17 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Chevalr1c

TPU'ers, what are you doing? Why don't help him troubleshooting this and verify the cause of the issue instead of recommending new drives instantly? Oh and please do not condemn a brand on warranty periods because those are internationally different (e.g. SG gives a 3 year warranty in all, if not most European countries).

Thank you.

Um.....this is the first reply.

http://www.techpowerup.com/forums/sh...12&postcount=2

Chevalr1c · Jul 9, 2012, 10:27 PM

I was not referring to you

95Viper · Jul 9, 2012, 11:15 PM

I don't know what your ambient temperatures are, but one of your problems may be heat.
If other components are getting near the max temps, they may be throttling back.
More than likely, 61C did not help matters with that drive, at all. (it was running at 41C when you took the screen shot of Crystal Disk Info; however, it has hit that 61C at some point or points)

Quote from Seagates support FAQ:

Quote:

All Maxtor ATA, SATA, and SCSI drives can operate with or without a fan, providing the hard disk temperature does not exceed 131°F (55°C) as measured from the top cover of the drive. Reliability will be compromised when the drive is exposed to temperatures above 55°C or 131°F. When in doubt of your system's ventilation capabilities, or ambient environment of your hard disk, add an extra cooling fan to the drive bay or system case to force air across the drive.

Just my lowly opinion.
Hope you get it solved.

Chapapa07 · Jul 10, 2012, 04:00 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by INSTG8R

Well run Seatools as suggested and report back.

Quote:

Originally Posted by TheMailMan78

Yes a bad drive can effect FPS. Run the Seagate tool on your HD. Running third party software doesnt mean the drive is bad. If the Seagate tool reports an error after the long test RMA the drive. If it doesnt chances are the drive is fine and you have other issues.

The results:

Quote:

Originally Posted by W1zzard

broken hdd will likely result in choppy gameplay, not a smooth reduction in fps.
loading screens might take longer, and since they are static you might not see the choppiness.

for me: reallocated sector count > 10 = RMA

yours is at 10, i'd observe it a bit longer, if it goes up RMA the drive, or at least make a backup very soon

Quote:

Originally Posted by DanTheBanjoman

Unlikely. It wouldn't really lower your FPS but instead make things choppy as data can't be loaded fast enough. Once everything is loaded performance should be fine.

I thought my HDD was the culprit in the poor performance I get on Splinter Cell: Conviction, but I was wrong, the culprit is my cpu because this game doesn't work well with quad cores with low clock speed like mine, this game is more cpu dependent, now I dont think my HDD is very damaged:

http://www.techspot.com/article/277-...nce/page7.html

Quote:

Originally Posted by Frag Maniac

The Hitachi Deskstar 7K3000 2TB HDD is a very good one and very fast. It's also slowly coming back down toward the $120 price it was at before the flood. I had a chance to get one for $100 on a Newegg email promo just before the flood and I'm still kicking myself for not jumping on it.

HGST Deskstar 7K3000 HDS723020BLA642 (0f12115) 2TB...

The HDDs I posted are my only options.

Quote:

Originally Posted by 95Viper

I don't know what your ambient temperatures are, but one of your problems may be heat.
If other components are getting near the max temps, they may be throttling back.
More than likely, 61C did not help matters with that drive, at all. (it was running at 41C when you took the screen shot of Crystal Disk Info; however, it has hit that 61C at some point or points)

Quote from Seagates support FAQ:

Just my lowly opinion.
Hope you get it solved.

Ive never seen my HDDs temperature higher than 44 even after playing BF3 for hours.

My Cpu hottest core reaches 75c on full load and my gpu max tempeture is 59c.

95Viper · Jul 10, 2012, 04:19 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Chapapa07

now I dont think my HDD is very damaged

I would re-think that... the test shows your drive failed, it has bad sectors.
It recommended you run Seatools for DOS to try and repair them.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Chapapa07

Ive never seen my HDDs temperature higher than 44 even after playing BF3 for hours.

Hey, OK, I am just going by the screen shot you posted.
You might wanna look at it yourself, again, it shows it hit a max of 61C.

Whatever you believe, it is your system.
Good luck to you.

TheMailMan78 · Jul 10, 2012, 04:19 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Chapapa07

The results:

http://i1078.photobucket.com/albums/...apapa07/01.png
http://i1078.photobucket.com/albums/...apapa07/02.png

I thought my HDD was the culprit in the poor performance I get on Splinter Cell: Conviction, but I was wrong, the culprit is my cpu because this game doesn't work well with quad cores with low clock speed like mine, this game is more cpu dependent, now I dont think my HDD is very damaged:

http://www.techspot.com/article/277-...nce/page7.html

The HDDs I posted are my only options.

Ive never seen my HDDs temperature higher than 44 even after playing BF3 for hours.

My Cpu hottest core reaches 75c on full load and my gpu max tempeture is 59c.

Your drive is about to kick the bucket man. Now you replace.

Aquinus · Jul 10, 2012, 01:00 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TheMailMan78

Your drive is about to kick the bucket man. Now you replace.

I wouldn't worry about the reallocated sector count quite yet. If you run a smart test are you getting any errors on any of the LBA sectors? If the test is completing without erroring out, I doubt it is about to die as TheMailMan suggests. I think you need to test it more, an Ubuntu LiveCD and using smartctl should give you a little more detailed output. If it survives a long smart test, I'm sure it will be fine for a little while longer. I would keep an eye on it and make sure you have a backup.

scaminatrix · Jul 11, 2012, 02:02 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Aquinus

I wouldn't worry about the reallocated sector count quite yet. If you run a smart test are you getting any errors on any of the LBA sectors? If the test is completing without erroring out, I doubt it is about to die as TheMailMan suggests. I think you need to test it more, an Ubuntu LiveCD and using smartctl should give you a little more detailed output. If it survives a long smart test, I'm sure it will be fine for a little while longer. I would keep an eye on it and make sure you have a backup.

It's nothing to do with the sector count man, it's temperature

That temperature is nothing to be sniffed it. Backup all info and RMA the drive. While in warranty, you shouldn't have to deal with 61 degree temps, simple.

No-one should suggest that you continue to run this drive.

Jul 9, 2012, 01:46 PM	#1
Chapapa07 Join Date: Jul 2012 Posts: 26 (0.08/day) Thanks: 0 Thanked 3 Times in 3 Posts System Specs	Can a damage HDD reduce your fps? I think my hard drive is the cause of the low performance I get in some games like Tom Clancy's Splinter Cell: Conviction, Crysis 1 and maybe.. Battlefield 3. The HDD is already desfragmented. According to a program called CrystalDiskInfo, the status of my hard drive is "caution". This is what Acronis-Drive-Monitor says about my HDD: This is my seagate 375 gb (400): Refurbished: Seagate Barracuda 7200.8 ST3400832AS ... My seagate makes the same noise of a damaged seagate HDD shown in this video in the minute 1:47, my HDD doesn't make any click noise. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3-BXP...layer_embedded My pc: Q83002.5 ghz Core 2 Quad MSI GTX 550 OC edition you 4 gb ram ddr2 800 ecs g31tm7 PSU: OCZ Fatal1ty 550 W 1280x1024 maximum resolution On Tom Clancy's Splinter Cell: Conviction maxed out, when Im in an enclosed area or just looking at a small space, the usage of my my card (according to MSI Afterbunner) is between 75-87% and I get between 38 fps and 45 but when I'm in an open area the use of my card drop to 43-54%, my fps drops to 16-23. When Im in a opened area and the game is maxed out my fps are between 16-19 and when set the settigns to the lowest, I get 4 more fps... Eventhough this game just use 2 cores, is imposible that with my pc I get such a poor performance. I have a similar issue with crysis 1 in certain missions but the fps are a lot better than in splinter cell. In Battlefield 3 at 1280x1024 on high on team deathmatch, there are times when I get 38-41 average fps (the usage of the vcard is 92-98%) and suddenly my fps drops to 25-29 (the usage of the vcard drops to 67% ). These are my options, if I should replace my HDD: WD: Western Digital Caviar Blue WD5000AAKS 500GB 7200 ... Seagate: Seagate Barracuda ST31000524AS 1TB 7200 RPM 32MB C... Which one is better?, The difference in storage capacity does not matter at all to me, 500 gb is enough, the WD costs $ 92 dollars while the seagate costs 120 in my country .

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Jul 9, 2012, 01:59 PM	#3
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TheMailMan78 Banstick Dummy Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Crystal River, FL Posts: 15,111 (6.93/day) Thanks: 1,337 Thanked 6,834 Times in 3,741 Posts System Specs	Yes a bad drive can effect FPS. Run the Seagate tool on your HD. Running third party software doesnt mean the drive is bad. If the Seagate tool reports an error after the long test RMA the drive. If it doesnt chances are the drive is fine and you have other issues.

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Chapapa07 Join Date: Jul 2012 Posts: 26 (0.08/day) Thanks: 0 Thanked 3 Times in 3 Posts System Specs	So...guys, did you read the entire original post?...., is my hdd the culprit of my poor performance in the games I mentioned?

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W1zzard Benevolent Dictator Join Date: May 2004 Location: Stuttgart, Germany Posts: 13,789 (4.18/day) Thanks: 184 Thanked 10,264 Times in 3,173 Posts System Specs	broken hdd will likely result in choppy gameplay, not a smooth reduction in fps. loading screens might take longer, and since they are static you might not see the choppiness. for me: reallocated sector count > 10 = RMA yours is at 10, i'd observe it a bit longer, if it goes up RMA the drive, or at least make a backup very soon

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System Name:	Ha/AhHa
Processor:	QX9650 SLAWN C1/i7-980x
Motherboard:	GA-X48_DS4 (F3B bios)/Gigabyte x58A-UDR3 v 2.0(Fh1 bios)
Cooling:	CNPS9900 LED/H60
Memory:	8 Gig of G.Skill F2-8800CL5D/24 Gig Corsair Vengence
Video Card:	Galaxy GTS 465/Gigabyte HD6950 unlocked w\ 1536 shaders
Hard Disk:	150 VRaptor,160 WD, 500 WD,2X 74 Gig VR(RAID0)/SanDisk Extreme 120, 2 WD VR(Raid 0),Seagate 1 TB
Optical Drive:	Asus/HP dvd1270 and Samsung
CRT/LCD Model:	ViewSonic VX2250wm-LED/Asus 266H
Case:	CM-690/CM-690 II adv
Sound Card:	On board (Realtek)/On board (Realtek)
PSU:	PC P&C 750/PC P&C Silencer 950
Software:	Windows 7 Build 7601 SP1 - 64 bit/Same

System Name:	Kratos
Processor:	Intel Core i7 3820 @ 4.37Ghz (128.6x34) 1.384-1.395v (LLC)
Motherboard:	ASUS P9X79 Deluxe
Cooling:	Zalman CPNS9900MAX 130mm
Memory:	G.Skill DDR3-2400, 16gb (4x4gb) @ 10-12-11-30-108-1T 1.65v
Video Card:	2x AMD (MSI branded) Radeon HD 6870 (Crossfire)
Hard Disk:	2x120Gb SATA3 Corsair Force GT Raid-0, 3x1Tb SATA2 RAID-5
Optical Drive:	Asus DVD Burner on Marval SATA3 Controller
CRT/LCD Model:	28" Hanspree, 22" MAG Innovision. Both DVI
Case:	Antec 1200
Sound Card:	Realtek® ALC898 8-Channel High Definition Audio
PSU:	Seasonic 1000-watt 80 PLUS Platinum
Software:	Windows 7 x64 Professional

System Name:	Benny
Processor:	Phenom II 1055t @ 3.3GHz; 300x11; 1.380v; NB 2700; HT 2400
Motherboard:	ASUS Crosshair IV Formula (2002 BIOS)
Cooling:	Thermalright TRUE 120 Black + 2 Xilence Red Wing PWM 120mm (push/pull) + polycarbonate fan holders
Memory:	8GB GeIL Ultra 2133MHZ C9 running at 1600MHz @ 7-7-7-21 1T 1.5v
Video Card:	MSI Twin Frozr II GTX470 @ Stock w/CPU fan cable-tied on, as one of the GPU fans broke.
Hard Disk:	60GB OCZ Agility3 (OS);500GB WDC Grn;4x80GB(RAID0);1x1TB WDC Blk (Backup) + Jye-Jou ST-3141SS
Optical Drive:	Optiarc SATA DVD-RWDL Bla Bla
CRT/LCD Model:	ASUS PA823Q
Case:	Silverstone Raven 2 (all cables custom sleeved with velcro mod on side panel...)
Sound Card:	X-Fi (Onboard) + Technics SA-GX530 amp powering JVC HA-RX700's with Zalman mic
PSU:	Corsair HX650W
Software:	Win7 Pro x64
Benchmarks:	I've scratched my name into all the benches in my local park. Using Corsair M90, soon to be using Lo

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