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[Killer_Rubber_Ducky]

Originally Posted by MxPhenom 216

Did you do a clean windows install when you put the HD5850 back in? Id not then the nvidia drivers may be cause your problem.

it was a clean one

[MxPhenom 216]

eh, regardless you said in TS that it was only DayZ and that one server. I wouldn't worry about it if its just one game you play, and that one server out of 4000.

[Killer_Rubber_Ducky]

So out of this discussion (which has been extremly helpful) I have found that the only 2 things currenly holding back my system is:

1. My Graphics Card aka ATI Radeon HD 5850 1GB
2. My CPU Fan aka CoolerMaster Hyper N520

Suggestions for staying under 500 and still getting best performance?
The CPU cooler upgrade is to support increasing CPU clocks safely for a nice boost.
My current CPU cooler is > 2years old now. i got it back when i purchased my 955BE.

[Fourstaff]

Originally Posted by cadaveca

Really? Why don't YOU explain it?

Rate of heat dissipation is lower, so the temperature gradient needs to be higher to dissipate the same amount of energy. Physics, y u no learn them?

Originally Posted by cadaveca

Ivybridge doesn't have ANY heat issues. It's even got a higher tjMAX, yet lower TDP. Have you even used one of these chips?

No I haven't used both chips at the same time, only playing with one and the other a year apart or so. They are sufficiently similar to me to warrant getting the cheaper of the two if I am doing the shopping, and if the price difference is below $10 get the Ivy Bridge.

Originally Posted by cadaveca

Again, memory write performance with some workloads, at all speeds, is much better on Ivy then Sandy...to the tune of 33%.

I will take your word for that, given that you do run much more tests than I do. Not sure how they translate to real life performance though, I haven't used any application which is memory bottlenecked.

[Horrux]

Originally Posted by Killer_Rubber_Ducky

see the thing is, half the time people tell me to upgrade my GPU. the other half of the time people tell me to keep the 5850 and swithc to intel cause it will improved my FPS by 5-10 FPS. the big issue i have right now is with Arma II bottlenecking. Hence why Im interested in switching from my FX-8120 to intel.

I dunno man, I had problems with ArmA II with a 2600k and GTX 570 SLI. The GPUs were somewhere around 50% utilization... Then I updated my graphics drivers, and the GPU utilization jumped, and now I'm running 60 fps pretty much all the time, with vsync on. It is true that ArmA II, as complex and ambitious a piece of code as it is, lacks optimization and has many problems that will never be fixed by anything other than the devs themselves, in a perfect world. And it ain't.

So I dunno, your need for higher performance might be driver-related, or simply bad-software-related, seriously. My other system runs ArmA II fine and it's a Phenom II x4 965 with 4gb of DDR2 ram and a GTX 460 768mb.

Frankly, I think if you are going to upgrade your CPU, you should get a piledriver, which is going to be 30% faster than the current FX series. Plenty of good power there, and possibly a cheap upgrade.

[brandonwh64]

ducky, I love ya brother but we tried to get you to get a intel setup when you built yours but you wanted to stay AMD since you were already 965BE. I really think you need to go back 670 and get a good reference card like gigabyte, sapphire, ASUS, or XFX.

[Killer_Rubber_Ducky]

Originally Posted by Horrux

I dunno man, I had problems with ArmA II with a 2600k and GTX 570 SLI. The GPUs were somewhere around 50% utilization... Then I updated my graphics drivers, and the GPU utilization jumped, and now I'm running 60 fps pretty much all the time, with vsync on. It is true that ArmA II, as complex and ambitious a piece of code as it is, lacks optimization and has many problems that will never be fixed by anything other than the devs themselves, in a perfect world. And it ain't.

So I dunno, your need for higher performance might be driver-related, or simply bad-software-related, seriously. My other system runs ArmA II fine and it's a Phenom II x4 965 with 4gb of DDR2 ram and a GTX 460 768mb.

Frankly, I think if you are going to upgrade your CPU, you should get a piledriver, which is going to be 30% faster than the current FX series. Plenty of good power there, and possibly a cheap upgrade.

Thanks for the input. i love AMD for the low cost and good performance it offers. The last intel i owned for desktop was P4.

Originally Posted by brandonwh64

ducky, I love ya brother but we tried to get you to get a intel setup when you built yours but you wanted to stay AMD since you were already 965BE. I really think you need to go back 670 and get a good reference card like gigabyte, sapphire, ASUS, or XFX.

I plan on getting a 670. i just dont know ANYTHING about Nvidia cards anymore. I can not select a good card (my last card i selected was a dud). If i get a 670 soon, i need someone to select one for me that will last me as long as my 5850 has.

[MxPhenom 216]

Get a better GPU and then if you really want to, get a better cooler so you can play with overclocking.

Get this GPU: EVGA 02G-P4-2676-KR GeForce GTX 670 FTW LE 2GB 256...

Your last card was a dud because it was a MSI and reference. Reference 670s are cheaply designed like the whole 570/580 thing.

Get a 670 that is non refernece with either a custom PCB like the Asus DirectCUIIs or Evga GTW cards wit hthe GTX680 PCB with the 670 GPU on it.

[erocker]

Originally Posted by Killer_Rubber_Ducky

So out of this discussion (which has been extremly helpful) I have found that the only 2 things currenly holding back my system is:

1. My Graphics Card aka ATI Radeon HD 5850 1GB
2. My CPU Fan aka CoolerMaster Hyper N520

Suggestions for staying under 500 and still getting best performance?
The CPU cooler upgrade is to support increasing CPU clocks safely for a nice boost.
My current CPU cooler is > 2years old now. i got it back when i purchased my 955BE.

Nope. Driver/software conflicts/problems. That being said going from a 5850 to a 670 is a good upgrade regardless.

[Killer_Rubber_Ducky]

Originally Posted by MxPhenom 216

Get a better GPU and then if you really want to, get a better cooler so you can play with overclocking.

Get this GPU: EVGA 02G-P4-2676-KR GeForce GTX 670 FTW LE 2GB 256...

Your last card was a dud because it was a MSI and reference. Reference 670s are cheaply designed like the whole 570/580 thing.

Get a 670 that is non refernece with either a custom PCB like the Asus DirectCUIIs or Evga GTW cards wit hthe GTX680 PCB with the 670 GPU on it.

Is EVGA a good Nvidia Card company? I noticed some said to go with Sapphire, XFX, Gigabyte, or ASUS.

[cadaveca]

Originally Posted by Killer_Rubber_Ducky

So out of this discussion (which has been extremly helpful) I have found that the only 2 things currenly holding back my system is:

1. My Graphics Card aka ATI Radeon HD 5850 1GB
2. My CPU Fan aka CoolerMaster Hyper N520

Uh...how?

I'll tell you my son uses a 5850 to game on @ 1080p, says it's great. He's almost done every single quest in Skyrim on that card.


Specifically when it comes to ARMA II...ARMA II came out in 2009. GUess when the 5850 was new?

You might want ot try a driver form back then to fix your ARMA performance issues.

OF course, you could buy a new VGA, stick it in the rig, and be stuck with the same issues..oh wait..you already tried that.

[TheMailMan78]

Originally Posted by cadaveca

Uh...how?

I'll tell you my son uses a 5850 to game on @ 1080p, says it's great. He's almost done every single quest in Skyrim on that card.


Specifically when it comes to ARMA II...ARMA II came out in 2009. GUess when the 5850 was new?

You might want ot try a driver form back then to fix your ARMA performance issues.

OF course, you could buy a new VGA, stick it in the rig, and be stuck with the same issues..oh wait..you already tried that.

He using my old 5850?!

[MxPhenom 216]

Originally Posted by Killer_Rubber_Ducky

Is EVGA a good Nvidia Card company? I noticed some said to go with Sapphire, XFX, Gigabyte, or ASUS.

Evga is the only company I go to for Nvidia cards.

And Sapphire and XFX don't even make Nvidia cards. I ussually go Asus and Evga. Evga more often. Mainly because of their customer service and ive never had a bad Evga GPU.

[johnnyfiive]

Originally Posted by Killer_Rubber_Ducky

im looking to make the switch from AMD to intel.
here is what I have so far... any suggestions? I dont want to go over 500....

1) Get a EVGA 670 (they have the best customer service and warranty service for graphics cards, hands down).
2) Get a Cooler Master Hyper 212+ for $25.
3) You should still have $75-$100 left. Maybe get some faster memory 1866 or 2133 8Gb kit.
4) Reinstall Windows.
5) Throw your expectations of ARMA II (DayZ) running 100% bug free and smooth because its probably using the worst coded game engine known to mankind.

Fact: A 2500k or 3570k easily beats a 8120 or 8150 in basically every game. Everyone knows that. When you initially bought the 8120, you should have considered the benchmarks and known you're buying an inferior gaming processor. At 1080p, the increase in most games that Sandy and Ivy Bridge provide is usually 5-10fps. In heavy CPU games (like StarCraft 2), the Intel offerings look MUCH better. But again, we all know this.

Upgrading your GPU should help plenty with any modern CPU. Theres no real need to flip your entire rig for today's games. When Crysis 3 comes out though, that'll change.

[Killer_Rubber_Ducky]

Originally Posted by cadaveca

Uh...how?

I'll tell you my son uses a 5850 to game on @ 1080p, says it's great. He's almost done every single quest in Skyrim on that card.


Specifically when it comes to ARMA II...ARMA II came out in 2009. GUess when the 5850 was new?

You might want ot try a driver form back then to fix your ARMA performance issues.

OF course, you could buy a new VGA, stick it in the rig, and be stuck with the same issues..oh wait..you already tried that.

Ah, I was not stuck with the same issues. the card was a dud so I was not able to test it for the same "issues". I like my 5850 for being a solid card for so long. i will most likely hang on to it for a backup or hook up one of my friends with it. Most of my friends are not Hardcore PC gamers. Mainly sticking to titles like WoW and AoE or Red Alert. Perhaps even a game or 2 of Civilization ^_^

Originally Posted by johnnyfiive

1) Get a EVGA 670 (they have the best customer service and warranty service for graphics cards, hands down).
2) Get a Cooler Master Hyper 212+ for $25.
3) You should still have $75-$100 left. Maybe get some faster memory 1866 or 2133 8Gb kit.
4) Reinstall Windows.
5) Throw your expectations of ARMA II (DayZ) running 100% bug free and smooth because its probably using the worst coded game engine known to mankind.

Fact: A 2500k or 3570k easily beats a 8120 or 8150 in basically every game. Everyone knows that. When you initially bought the 8120, you should have considered the benchmarks and known you're buying an inferior gaming processor. At 1080p, the increase in most games that Sandy and Ivy Bridge provide is usually 5-10fps.

Thanks for the tip on cards and coolers. I have toyed with the idea of running 2133 kit but am not sure how much difference in performance i would see.
AlsoI dont expect DayZ / Arma II to be flawless. I have just noticed recently that I get tearing on the screen (horizontal going up) and I would love to up the eye candy of the environment.

[johnnyfiive]

Originally Posted by Killer_Rubber_Ducky

...Thanks for the tip on cards and coolers. I have toyed with the idea of running 2133 kit but am not sure how much difference in performance i would see.
AlsoI dont expect DayZ / Arma II to be flawless. I have just noticed recently that I get tearing on the screen (horizontal going up) and I would love to up the eye candy of the environment.

Memory speed won't really be that noticeable, but it will increase the overall speed of the system, just not at the same level that an SSD would. Another plus for choosing nvidia over amd is active sync. It should rid of the tearing issues you're having (Normal vsync should as well).

[Killer_Rubber_Ducky]

Originally Posted by johnnyfiive

Memory speed won't really be that noticeable, but it will increase the overall speed of the system, just not at the same level that an SSD would. Another plus for choosing nvidia over amd is active sync. It should rid of the tearing issues you're having (Normal vsync should as well).

thanks for the info. I currently run an M4 128GB SSD so i have the SSD covered. ^_^

[MxPhenom 216]

Originally Posted by johnnyfiive

1) Get a EVGA 670 (they have the best customer service and warranty service for graphics cards, hands down).
2) Get a Cooler Master Hyper 212+ for $25.
3) You should still have $75-$100 left. Maybe get some faster memory 1866 or 2133 8Gb kit.
4) Reinstall Windows.
5) Throw your expectations of ARMA II (DayZ) running 100% bug free and smooth because its probably using the worst coded game engine known to mankind.

Fact: A 2500k or 3570k easily beats a 8120 or 8150 in basically every game. Everyone knows that. When you initially bought the 8120, you should have considered the benchmarks and known you're buying an inferior gaming processor. At 1080p, the increase in most games that Sandy and Ivy Bridge provide is usually 5-10fps. In heavy CPU games (like StarCraft 2), the Intel offerings look MUCH better. But again, we all know this.

Upgrading your GPU should help plenty with any modern CPU. Theres no real need to flip your entire rig for today's games. When Crysis 3 comes out though, that'll change.

This get that Evga GTX670 FTW LE card and a cooler. Reinstall windows and call it a day.

[cadaveca]

Originally Posted by Killer_Rubber_Ducky

Mainly sticking to titles like WoW and AoE or Red Alert. Perhaps even a game or 2 of Civilization ^_^

Then you really don't need to upgrade your VGA. Maybe buy a new pair of shoes, or something.

[Killer_Rubber_Ducky]

Originally Posted by cadaveca

Then you really don't need to upgrade your VGA. Maybe buy a new pair of shoes, or something.

they play those games not me