GTX 680 and BF3 Question

[lwgnlseven]

Hey guys I just installed a gtx 680 today and I'm now playing on 1080p, ultra graphics with a AA and HBAO turned off. I'm seeing frame rate anywhere from 60-90 which is great, however when there are a lot of explosions going off around me or lots of rockets being shot at me from jets/helicopters, the frame rate always dips down to 38-40 ish and becomes really choppy. It did this as well when I had the gtx 580. Is it normal to experience these types of things? I mean the game runs great, its just during these high explosion scenes that really kill my framerate...

i5 2500k
gtx 680
16gb ram
850 watt psu
asus p8z68 mobo
win 7

[erocker]

System specs please.

[Dent1]

Originally Posted by lwgnlseven

Hey guys I just installed a gtx 680 today and I'm now playing on 1080p, ultra graphics with a AA and HBAO turned off. I'm seeing frame rate anywhere from 60-90 which is great, however when there are a lot of explosions going off around me or lots of rockets being shot at me from jets/helicopters, the frame rate always dips down to 38-40 ish and becomes really choppy. It did this as well when I had the gtx 580. Is it normal to experience these types of things? I mean the game runs great, its just during these high explosion scenes that really kill my framerate...

i5 2500k
gtx 680
16gb ram
850 watt psu
asus p8z68 mobo
win 7

It's normal. BF3 is one of those games that have lows of 40 FPS regardless of GPU/CPU.

Bad coding, just accept it.

[eidairaman1]

i dont even think overclocking the CPU would have much affect on that. particle effects and explosions are the most demanding of a Graphics card.

Look at Aquamark 3 on R300 or Nvidia Equivalent at the time and you will notice frame loss.

[lwgnlseven]

Originally Posted by eidairaman1

i dont even think overclocking the CPU would have much affect on that. particle effects and explosions are the most demanding of a Graphics card.

Look at Aquamark 3 on R300 or Nvidia Equivalent at the time and you will notice frame loss.

See thats the thing that I struggle with the most in multiple games. Any time there is particle effects and huge explosions, the game chugs along. And I've used both a gtx 580 and so far today in battlefield, gtx 680. I would have thought these cards could handle something like that. Even these high end cards struggle to render that stuff? Am I just setting the bar too high for these cards? I get really discouraged when it drops to low fps and chugs along :-\

[eidairaman1]

Originally Posted by lwgnlseven

See thats the thing that I struggle with the most in multiple games. Any time there is particle effects and huge explosions, the game chugs along. And I've used both a gtx 580 and so far today in battlefield, gtx 680. I would have thought these cards could handle something like that. Even these high end cards struggle to render that stuff? Am I just setting the bar too high for these cards? I get really discouraged when it drops to low fps and chugs along :-\

thats is the only thing about GCs that any gen cant handle too much of.

[erocker]

Have you run stability tests on your RAM, processor etc?

[MatTheCat]

Originally Posted by Dent1

It's normal. BF3 is one of those games that have lows of 40 FPS regardless of GPU/CPU.

Bad coding, just accept it.

EH WTF!?

Are you being serious?

Originally Posted by lwgnlseven

Hey guys I just installed a gtx 680 today and I'm now playing on 1080p, ultra graphics with a AA and HBAO turned off. I'm seeing frame rate anywhere from 60-90 which is great, however when there are a lot of explosions going off around me or lots of rockets being shot at me from jets/helicopters, the frame rate always dips down to 38-40 ish and becomes really choppy. It did this as well when I had the gtx 580. Is it normal to experience these types of things? I mean the game runs great, its just during these high explosion scenes that really kill my framerate...

I sometimes have the same issues although a dip as low as 38-40 would be extremely rare. However, my CPU is clocked at 4.5Ghz. Dont listen to whoever told that there was no point in overclocking your CPU/GPU either. I have a G19 keyboard and have all my system reources running on the keyboard LCD and can tell you that I need every Hz of overclock headroom I got in order to keep this game running at full pelt with a smooth v-snyc'd 60FPS 99.95% of the time. Also, turn on HBAO, there is absolultely no need for you to sacrfice on that with that GFX card. The game is very demanding, not because of 'poor coding' but because the game is fkn stunning and at the very pioneering end of 3d graphics gaming technology.

[Frag Maniac]

This is the reason a lot of people don't in fact buy top of the line cards but instead two lower models and SLI them. That way you can often get more raw FPS power for the money. You might sacrifice VRAM a bit depending what model/gen you buy, but many games are more effects than frame buffer vulnerable as you mentioned with particles.

Conversely you could swallow pride a bit and lower some of the settings to boost FPS a bit. I know that's hard to take when you spend a lot on a top model card, but what else can you do barring the aforementioned or buying another 680. Particles are one thing that have minute differences between max and the next step down anyway. Shadows too.

[tacosRcool]

this happens occasionally to me

[Jetster]

Mine will drop to 45 in those situations but no lower. I really have no complaints Ultra graphics with a AA and HBAO turned off

[the54thvoid]

Originally Posted by MatTheCat

EH WTF!?

Are you being serious?



I sometimes have the same issues although a dip as low as 38-40 would be extremely rare. However, my CPU is clocked at 4.5Ghz. Dont listen to whoever told that there was no point in overclocking your CPU/GPU either. I have a G19 keyboard and have all my system reources running on the keyboard LCD and can tell you that I need every Hz of overclock headroom I got in order to keep this game running at full pelt with a smooth v-snyc'd 60FPS 99.95% of the time. Also, turn on HBAO, there is absolultely no need for you to sacrfice on that with that GFX card. The game is very demanding, not because of 'poor coding' but because the game is fkn stunning and at the very pioneering end of 3d graphics gaming technology.

I'm with Mat on this. My FPS (@ 1440p with 7970 @ 1100, cpu @ 4.2GHz) doesn't go below the 50's under stressful scenes. Usually averages around 60+. Even with FPS drops, I don't 'notice' any stutter or choppiness.
BF3 is a multi-core game so maybe overclocking your cpu might help.

[Dent1]

Originally Posted by MatTheCat

Dont listen to whoever told that there was no point in overclocking your CPU/GPU either.

I think eidairaman1 meant that overclocking will help the average and high FPS, but ocassional dips of about 40 FPS will still persist at ultra settings. Although I agree in overclocking whenever possible.

Originally Posted by MatTheCat

The game is very demanding, not because of 'poor coding' but because the game is fkn stunning and at the very pioneering end of 3d graphics gaming technology.

Stunning games can be coded poorly too.

Originally Posted by the54thvoid

I'm with Mat on this. My FPS (@ 1440p with 7970 @ 1100, cpu @ 4.2GHz) doesn't go below the 50's under stressful scenes. Usually averages around 60+.

You are talking about the average FPS. But the OP is talking about minimum FPS.

Originally Posted by the54thvoid

Even with FPS drops, I don't 'notice' any stutter or choppiness.

40FPS is playable, so you won't always notice choppiness. The OP is talking about a brief drip which might last a second or two, which isn't noticeable by the eye. He probably only is aware of the dip because he is running Fraps.

[the54thvoid]

Originally Posted by Dent1

The OP is talking about a brief drip which might last a second or two, which isn't noticeable by the eye. He probably only is aware of the dip because he is running Fraps.

What he said was this:

the frame rate always dips down to 38-40 ish and becomes really choppy

I take that to infer he notices the choppiness. FTR, I hate saying 'choppiness' - it's a non word surely?

Anyhow, I also said of my rates, "they don't:

go below the 50's under stressful scenes

and

Usually averages around 60+.

which kind of states the 50's is my minimum and my average is around 60.

I read the OP's post.

[Dent1]

Originally Posted by the54thvoid

What he said was this:



I take that to infer he notices the choppiness. FTR, I hate saying 'choppiness' - it's a non word surely?

Anyhow, I also said of my rates, "they don't:



and



which kind of states the 50's is my minimum and my average is around 60.

I read the OP's post.

40FPS isnt choppy. His frame rate would have to be lower than 40 FPS to consider it choppy.

Either way an occasional dip of 40FPs in BF3 is normal. If he was averaging at 40FPs I would be worried, but not if this is a brief minimum.

[MxPhenom 216]

Originally Posted by Dent1

It's normal. BF3 is one of those games that have lows of 40 FPS regardless of GPU/CPU.

Bad coding, just accept it.

What?

Battlefield is actually one of the better coded games in the last few years. considering it is a PC game and its harder for developes to code for for all configurations, it is one of the best. Runs really well on most system, even low end. Ask Boise49ers who runs it on his laptop with a A8 Llano AMD fusion chip.

Most performance issues with BF3 are user related and how their system is setup.

[Dent1]

Originally Posted by MxPhenom 216

What?

Battlefield is actually one of the better coded games in the last few years. considering it is a PC game and its harder for developes to code for for all configurations, it is one of the best. Runs really well on most system, even low end. Ask Boise49ers who runs it on his laptop with a A8 Llano AMD fusion chip.

Most performance issues with BF3 are user related and how their system is setup.

Even if you think the coding is good it doesnt take away from the fact that an occasional minimum dip of 40FPS is normal.

Bear in mind this is a superclocked variant of the GTX 680 and the CPU is better than the OPs - and you are seeing minimums of 28-46 FPS still.

[Frag Maniac]

Doesn't really apply to OP's scenario Dent, those are 2560x1600 benches.

[Dent1]

Originally Posted by Frag Maniac

Doesn't really apply to OP's scenario Dent, those are 2560x1600 benches.

The last two were 1920x1200. Even the lower resolutions stil yield 40 ish minimums. I'm not going to post every image but you get my point.

Edit:

Veteran member "Diaz" did a mini review a while back on overclockers.com at 1080p.


At ultra settings you see minimums of 33, 36 and 44 FPS.


http://www.overclockers.com/forums/s...d.php?t=703662

[Darkleoco]

From the AMD side of things I'm running Crossfire 6950's overclocked to 940/1400 and I never experience severe drops even on 64 player maps. It seems that some games just prefer a crossfire or sli setup to not experience severe drops on bf3.

[Dent1]

Ahhh. TechPowerUp, always in denial until you bring out the screenshots. Then everyone goes quietly into hiding.

[newlife]

2 hd 7750s runs this at around 45-60 fps never going below 45

[Hayder_Master]

it's seems it's just an drivers problem, try to reinstall it use Erocker method which sticky thread in graphic forums.
and try another driver version u use now even it's latest one try the older.
by the way this game full of errors and bugs lagging for no reason everyday they release a huge update to fix some of them.

[mastrdrver]

For the OP, might try dropping the particle setting (I think that's what it's called) to high since this has to do with explosions.

Originally Posted by Dent1

The last two were 1920x1200. Even the lower resolutions stil yield 40 ish minimums. I'm not going to post every image but you get my point.

Edit:

Veteran member "Diaz" did a mini review a while back on overclockers.com at 1080p.


At ultra settings you see minimums of 33, 36 and 44 FPS.

http://oi48.tinypic.com/11ht5w7.jpg
http://www.overclockers.com/forums/s...d.php?t=703662

How does low minimum fps with ultra settings equal poor coding? The only way you could come to some conclusion that the game was poorly coded was if you still had those same low frame rates with lower quality settings.

Even if it did that, it would still be impossible to know for sure if it was poor coding unless someone who knew code looked at the game to see if the designers were lazy or not. You could come to the conclusion that it is possible that the game was poorly coded by looking at benchmark results, but it is impossible to know for certain unless you examined the code.

[MxPhenom 216]

Typically the FPS drops are when a lot of things are happening like explosions with all the particles and physics. Doesn't really mean the coding for the game is bad.