cpu upgrade?

krammuel · Sep 18, 2012, 12:48 AM

I have the ASRock Extreme4 mb w/Phenom II X3 720BE.
I did unlock the 4th core with some success, but eventually caused system failures.
I liked the speed I got from the 4th core unlocked (even bumped the freq to 3010Mhz). So my question is the FX line better then the Phenom II or would I be better sticking with Phenom II but either X4 or X6? Keep in mind I usually don't have much $$ to spend, so around 100-150bucks is about what I can do for now.

Oh, as a side note: With only 3 cores I get lag on games and slower programs.

Thanks for any suggestions

xxdozer322 · Sep 18, 2012, 12:57 AM

from what ive read the x4s give the bulldozer a run for the money. i believe the x4 965 is something like 90 bucks now over at microcenter. i bought mine brand new for 110 with my current build. no issues whats so ever, have it overclocked to 3.9 on a simple watercooling system that was handed down to me. look at my specs, i have everything on ultra for bf3 with absolutely no lag.

edit: also if you go with the fx series youre gonna need a new mobo. as its am3+ and wont fit a am3 mobo.

[Ion] · Sep 18, 2012, 12:57 AM

I'd say go for a FX. For just over $150, you can get a FX-8120, which has 8 cores at 3.1GHz. The FX CPUs overclock really well too, so ~4GHz is entirely doable. Alternatively, Newegg frequently has the Phenom II X4 965BE for $90.

krammuel · Sep 18, 2012, 01:05 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by [Ion]

I'd say go for a FX. For just over $150, you can get a FX-8120, which has 8 cores at 3.1GHz. The FX CPUs overclock really well too, so ~4GHz is entirely doable. Alternatively, Newegg frequently has the Phenom II X4 965BE for $90.

I was looking at the FX 6100@3.3Ghz at Micro Center for $109, or would the FX 4100@3.6Ghz for $89 be a better buy?

xxdozer322 · Sep 18, 2012, 01:07 AM

that fx4100 is still a quad core. for ten bucks less you can get the 965 and wont have to worry about buying a new mobo.

krammuel · Sep 18, 2012, 01:08 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by xxdozer322

from what ive read the x4s give the bulldozer a run for the money. i believe the x4 965 is something like 90 bucks now over at microcenter. i bought mine brand new for 110 with my current build. no issues whats so ever, have it overclocked to 3.9 on a simple watercooling system that was handed down to me. look at my specs, i have everything on ultra for bf3 with absolutely no lag.

edit: also if you go with the fx series youre gonna need a new mobo. as its am3+ and wont fit a am3 mobo.

It is an AM3+ MoBo. Go to the cpu support list: http://www.asrock.com/mb/overview.asp?cat=CPU&Model=970 Extreme4

krammuel · Sep 18, 2012, 01:11 AM

[QUOTE=xxdozer322;2724490]from what ive read the x4s give the bulldozer a run for the money. i believe the x4 965 is something like 90 bucks now over at microcenter. i bought mine brand new for 110 with my current build. no issues whats so ever, have it overclocked to 3.9 on a simple watercooling system that was handed down to me. look at my specs, i have everything on ultra for bf3 with absolutely no lag.

So back to your first answer

The Phenom II is still a better processor then the FX???

Micro Center has the 965X4 down to $89 bucks, too.

xxdozer322 · Sep 18, 2012, 01:14 AM

ahhhhh i didnt even bother looking into the mobo, thought you were running an am3 mobo. theres a lot of rumors saying that the phenoms still give the bulldozers a nice run. i wouldnt know, maybe those that have had both can atest to that. from what ive read bulldozers are nice overclockers. i really dont know how much of an upgrade it is, im happy with my current budget build.

Norton · Sep 18, 2012, 01:16 AM

[QUOTE=krammuel;2724508]

Quote:

Originally Posted by xxdozer322

from what ive read the x4s give the bulldozer a run for the money. i believe the x4 965 is something like 90 bucks now over at microcenter. i bought mine brand new for 110 with my current build. no issues whats so ever, have it overclocked to 3.9 on a simple watercooling system that was handed down to me. look at my specs, i have everything on ultra for bf3 with absolutely no lag.

So back to your first answer

The Phenom II is still a better processor then the FX???

Go with an FX-6100. It's the best balance of price, features and performance for your setup atm.

You can set it to FX-6200 speed w/o issues with only a few BIOS clicks... will save you a couple of $$$ that way

krammuel · Sep 18, 2012, 01:19 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by xxdozer322

ahhhhh i didnt even bother looking into the mobo, thought you were running an am3 mobo. theres a lot of rumors saying that the phenoms still give the bulldozers a nice run. i wouldnt know, maybe those that have had both can atest to that. from what ive read bulldozers are nice overclockers. i really dont know how much of an upgrade it is, im happy with my current budget build.

What I like about AMD

They are cheap to build. You play games on that system? Do you have ultra settings or atleast high? If yes. How does the system handle it?

krammuel · Sep 18, 2012, 01:22 AM

[QUOTE=Norton;2724515]

Quote:

Originally Posted by krammuel

Go with an FX-6100. It's the best balance of price, features and performance for your setup atm.

You can set it to FX-6200 speed w/o issues with only a few BIOS clicks... will save you a couple of $$$ that way

What I was thinking all along

Thank You all for the replies

xxdozer322 · Sep 18, 2012, 01:22 AM

yes my bf3 is on ultra everything at 1080p, it handles it like a champ. no compaints, no lag, and absolutely no choppiness.

Widjaja · Sep 18, 2012, 01:23 AM

Despite the poor result of the FX vs it's predecessor and against Intel's offerings, they are still a good chip and nothing to be scoffed at.

krammuel · Sep 18, 2012, 01:29 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Widjaja

Despite the poor result of the FX vs it's predecessor and against Intel's offerings, they are still a good chip and nothing to be scoffed at.

Yea that is what scared me a bit and why I came here for some sort of advice on what is best to get atm.

eidairaman1 · Sep 18, 2012, 01:31 AM

hey sorry you encountered instability, ya some chips have it others dont. Honestly Id look at pricing of Phenom IIs before biting the bullet on a FX.

krammuel · Sep 18, 2012, 01:34 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by eidairaman1

hey sorry you encountered instability, ya some chips have it others dont. Honestly Id look at pricing of Phenom IIs before biting the bullet on a FX.

Hi!

Yea thats what we were going over here, but the FX is about the same price as Phenom II (well maybe a bit more, but you get more too?).

Durvelle27 · Sep 18, 2012, 01:36 AM

go for the FX 6100

Edit: what games do you play

krammuel · Sep 18, 2012, 01:38 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Durvelle27

go for the FX 6100

Edit: what games do you play

Well was on WoW (but not happy with the new "arcade" like feel to it anymore).
I probably get Skyrim here shortly and want my system to handle it.

xxdozer322 · Sep 18, 2012, 01:45 AM

looks like you already have a decent gpu, so at this point anything you get will be a worthy upgrade.

eidairaman1 · Sep 18, 2012, 01:46 AM

Honestly youre not getting more from FX but if its in easier avail and cheaper go for it.

krammuel · Sep 18, 2012, 02:01 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by eidairaman1

Honestly youre not getting more from FX but if its in easier avail and cheaper go for it.

Not cheaper because they have the the 965 X4 for the same price as the FX 4100. And this is what I want to know? Which is better the Phenom II or the FX chips?

krammuel · Sep 18, 2012, 02:10 AM

Looking on Micro Centers site they only show 8 AMD processors. But I know they have more in their store to choose from. I like going there cause they are close to me and I hate waiting for it to get to me. But also I can take it back and get another that day if something is wrong with it.

eidairaman1 · Sep 18, 2012, 02:10 AM

http://www.techspot.com/review/452-a...us/page10.html

http://www.legitreviews.com/article/1766/14/

read those for relative numbers. 980 BE (3.7GHz Stock) is like that of xxdozers 965 BE (3.4GHz Stock) at 3.9GHz (Maybe Slightly Faster than a 980BE)

Look at 1100T vs FX 6100 both at 3.3GHz

MT Alex · Sep 18, 2012, 02:17 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by krammuel

Not cheaper because they have the the 965 X4 for the same price as the FX 4100. And this is what I want to know? Which is better the Phenom II or the FX chips?

I'd be skeptical of a 4100, since these benchmarks show a 965 and an 8150 are neck and neck in games.

http://www.anandtech.com/bench/Product/102?vs=434

Norton · Sep 18, 2012, 02:25 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by krammuel

Not cheaper because they have the the 965 X4 for the same price as the FX 4100. And this is what I want to know? Which is better the Phenom II or the FX chips?

if it's 965BE vs an FX-Quad core.... go for the 965BE

Otherwise the FX-6100 is overall a better choice than the 965BE. Runs cooler too.

Look at my sig- I run them all except the FX-8120 (which I will add to the list next month)

*Note- The 1045T is also a good chip but I would still buy a 6100 within that price range

Sep 18, 2012, 12:48 AM	#1
krammuel Join Date: Aug 2012 Posts: 56 (0.18/day) Thanks: 32 Thanked 2 Times in 2 Posts System Specs	cpu upgrade? I have the ASRock Extreme4 mb w/Phenom II X3 720BE. I did unlock the 4th core with some success, but eventually caused system failures. I liked the speed I got from the 4th core unlocked (even bumped the freq to 3010Mhz). So my question is the FX line better then the Phenom II or would I be better sticking with Phenom II but either X4 or X6? Keep in mind I usually don't have much $$ to spend, so around 100-150bucks is about what I can do for now. Oh, as a side note: With only 3 cores I get lag on games and slower programs. Thanks for any suggestions __________________ It is what it is!

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Sep 18, 2012, 12:57 AM	#2
xxdozer322 Join Date: May 2012 Location: Santa Ana, Ca. Posts: 381 (0.95/day) Thanks: 176 Thanked 128 Times in 79 Posts System Specs	from what ive read the x4s give the bulldozer a run for the money. i believe the x4 965 is something like 90 bucks now over at microcenter. i bought mine brand new for 110 with my current build. no issues whats so ever, have it overclocked to 3.9 on a simple watercooling system that was handed down to me. look at my specs, i have everything on ultra for bf3 with absolutely no lag. edit: also if you go with the fx series youre gonna need a new mobo. as its am3+ and wont fit a am3 mobo. __________________ heatware. http://heatware.com/eval.php?id=78934

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Sep 18, 2012, 12:57 AM	#3
[Ion] WCG Team Assistant Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: North Carolina, US Posts: 10,793 (7.86/day) Thanks: 8,305 Thanked 9,487 Times in 4,321 Posts System Specs	I'd say go for a FX. For just over $150, you can get a FX-8120, which has 8 cores at 3.1GHz. The FX CPUs overclock really well too, so ~4GHz is entirely doable. Alternatively, Newegg frequently has the Phenom II X4 965BE for $90. __________________ Ion's WCG Essentials Thread Crunching (64 Threads + 896 CUDA Cores + 6272 Shaders): i3-2100@ 3.1 + HD7850 -- Atom D510 @ 1.66 -- C2D-M T9600 @ 2.8 -- i7-3612QM @ 2.8 -- i7-860 @ 2.9 + HD7950 -- i7-2700k @ 4.4 + 2xGTX470 -- PentDC-M T4200 @ 2.0 -- i7-920 @ 3.83 + 3xHD7770 -- DP Xeon E5420 @ 2.5 + HD7930 -- E1600 @ 2.4

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Sep 18, 2012, 01:07 AM	#5
xxdozer322 Join Date: May 2012 Location: Santa Ana, Ca. Posts: 381 (0.95/day) Thanks: 176 Thanked 128 Times in 79 Posts System Specs	that fx4100 is still a quad core. for ten bucks less you can get the 965 and wont have to worry about buying a new mobo. __________________ heatware. http://heatware.com/eval.php?id=78934

Sep 18, 2012, 01:11 AM	#7
krammuel Join Date: Aug 2012 Posts: 56 (0.18/day) Thanks: 32 Thanked 2 Times in 2 Posts System Specs	[QUOTE=xxdozer322;2724490]from what ive read the x4s give the bulldozer a run for the money. i believe the x4 965 is something like 90 bucks now over at microcenter. i bought mine brand new for 110 with my current build. no issues whats so ever, have it overclocked to 3.9 on a simple watercooling system that was handed down to me. look at my specs, i have everything on ultra for bf3 with absolutely no lag. So back to your first answer The Phenom II is still a better processor then the FX??? Micro Center has the 965X4 down to $89 bucks, too. __________________ It is what it is!

Sep 18, 2012, 01:14 AM	#8
xxdozer322 Join Date: May 2012 Location: Santa Ana, Ca. Posts: 381 (0.95/day) Thanks: 176 Thanked 128 Times in 79 Posts System Specs	ahhhhh i didnt even bother looking into the mobo, thought you were running an am3 mobo. theres a lot of rumors saying that the phenoms still give the bulldozers a nice run. i wouldnt know, maybe those that have had both can atest to that. from what ive read bulldozers are nice overclockers. i really dont know how much of an upgrade it is, im happy with my current budget build. __________________ heatware. http://heatware.com/eval.php?id=78934

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xxdozer322 Join Date: May 2012 Location: Santa Ana, Ca. Posts: 381 (0.95/day) Thanks: 176 Thanked 128 Times in 79 Posts System Specs	yes my bf3 is on ultra everything at 1080p, it handles it like a champ. no compaints, no lag, and absolutely no choppiness. __________________ heatware. http://heatware.com/eval.php?id=78934

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Sep 18, 2012, 01:45 AM	#19
xxdozer322 Join Date: May 2012 Location: Santa Ana, Ca. Posts: 381 (0.95/day) Thanks: 176 Thanked 128 Times in 79 Posts System Specs	looks like you already have a decent gpu, so at this point anything you get will be a worthy upgrade. __________________ heatware. http://heatware.com/eval.php?id=78934

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eidairaman1 Eligible for custom title Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: HTX Posts: 10,099 (4.63/day) Thanks: 1,364 Thanked 1,164 Times in 1,040 Posts System Specs	Honestly youre not getting more from FX but if its in easier avail and cheaper go for it. __________________ Athlon XP USERS with COD 4 FIX http://www.techsupportforum.com/foru...ls-202011.html http://www.howorks.com/2011/02/24/ho...-memory-limit/ “Sometimes my level of fail is unprecedented.” -TheMailMan78 “This is what the force of a thousand suns looks like.” -3870x2

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