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Aksh_47 · Oct 30, 2012, 06:23 AM

Okay so in search for a low cost thermal paste and i thought this would be good : http://www.deepcool-us.com/Product/Z9/

Should i also change the cooler?

eidairaman1 · Oct 30, 2012, 06:56 AM

do a research of thermal paste tests before just buying one

MxPhenom 216 · Oct 30, 2012, 07:06 AM

If you can buy Arctic Cooling MX-4 and this cooler would help a lot.

COOLER MASTER Hyper 212 Plus RR-B10-212P-G1 "Heatp...

Im assuming your using stock cooler. For now you could try reseating it, and even checking if it has TIM or enough to begin with.

eidairaman1 · Oct 30, 2012, 07:11 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MxPhenom 216

If you can buy Arctic Cooling MX-4 and this cooler would help a lot.

COOLER MASTER Hyper 212 Plus RR-B10-212P-G1 "Heatp...

Im assuming your using stock cooler. For now you could try reseating it, and even checking if it has TIM or enough to begin with.

if you remove the stock heatsink you might aswell replace the TIM right then and there as if it gets damaged its worthless

MxPhenom 216 · Oct 30, 2012, 07:14 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by eidairaman1

if you remove the stock heatsink you might aswell replace the TIM right then and there as if it gets damaged its worthless

well yeah, but the way the temps act for him, seems like theres barely any on there anyways. but Yea he needs to get some. Just be interesting to know if theres much on there right now. Or if the cooler is even making correct contact.

Aquinus · Oct 30, 2012, 08:15 AM

If your temps are really that bad, one of 3 things has happened.

Your HSF is full of dust and has reduced air flow so it over heats.
Your HSF was not mounted properly (too loose or not enough/too much thermal compound.)
Your HSF is defective.

I doubt that the HSF is defective but I would still recommend buying a new cooler. The only time I've ever seen a processor go this high is because the cooler wasn't fully mounted. (skt775 stock cooler, you know those stupid plastic push pins that lock into place? One of mine was broken so it was only held on with 3 pins (also in rough shape.) and I turned the machine on and I was at 100 degreees in a matter of seconds. It actually shut the machine down to prevent damage.

Either way, I would replace the cooler to be on the safe side, even more so if you're using the stock cooler.

eidairaman1 · Oct 30, 2012, 09:05 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MxPhenom 216

well yeah, but the way the temps act for him, seems like theres barely any on there anyways. but Yea he needs to get some. Just be interesting to know if theres much on there right now. Or if the cooler is even making correct contact.

well majority of stock heatsinks come with a Tim Strip.

Pehla · Oct 30, 2012, 12:02 PM

u can use any termal grease..,yesturday i was just reading about termal solutions where i found sooo many diferent termal greas used(they eve include chocolate,mustard as grease)
and u wouldnt belive how litle diference cheap and expensive compound make..
even mayonaise make beter cooling then many comerical termal grease!"dont use chocolate it is worst!!

the point is use some mid range and do not wory about it!! i think i will search for the chart for u to see!!

Pehla · Oct 30, 2012, 12:06 PM

http://img.techpowerup.org/121024/TIM_1.png

here it is!!

de.das.dude · Oct 30, 2012, 12:16 PM

you can try toothpaste. wouldnt matter much with a stock i3 540.
do you have any case fans?

eidairaman1 · Oct 30, 2012, 12:38 PM

hmm so i was right about the Antec Thermal Compound being pretty good (thats what I used initially on my laptop after cleaning it and modding it slightly)

Aksh_47 · Oct 30, 2012, 12:47 PM

Yep i do, 3 of them.. and ill get some mid range thermal paste, not many seem to be available online.. i thought of getting this : http://www.deepcool-us.com/Product/Z5/

Should i also change the Cooler? If i do, this one is for cheap.. will it be good?
http://www.deepcool-us.com/Product/GAMMA_ARCHER/

eidairaman1 · Oct 30, 2012, 12:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Aksh_47

Yep i do, 3 of them.. and ill get some mid range thermal paste, not many seem to be available online.. i thought of getting this : http://www.deepcool-us.com/Product/Z5/

Should i also change the Cooler? If i do, this one is for cheap.. will it be good?
http://www.deepcool-us.com/Product/GAMMA_ARCHER/

get yourself a Cooler Master 212

Aksh_47 · Oct 30, 2012, 01:06 PM

The CM 212 is kinda out of my budget :P Since i wont be doing any overclocking for now, would that deepcool be good?

Aksh_47 · Oct 30, 2012, 01:08 PM

And thanks to all the member here for helping me find out the prob.

Will update once i get the thermal compound and heat sink.

Pehla · Oct 30, 2012, 01:22 PM

no problemo!! nice to be helpfull

i think any aftermerket cooler would be superb..
let us know when u get it how it runs now!!
i neve read if anyone answer u what is throtling..well in ur case is cpu(an that can hapen to gpu or some other pc component)...,if it get overheated,or underpowerd or something else he just lover clocks to start task all overagain!

Aksh_47 · Oct 31, 2012, 10:29 AM

Update guys, got the thermal paste installed, and temps down by nearly 35C.. using stock cooler for now.. new 3D Mark scores

And not to forget,

Techpowerup rocks!!

3870x2 · Oct 31, 2012, 04:07 PM

GJ and thanks for posting the results of your predicament.

We can now deduce that overheating CPU is in fact detrimental to the system.

MxPhenom 216 · Oct 31, 2012, 04:13 PM

Nice work OP. That is a huge difference in temperature with just a thermal paste change.

3870x2 · Oct 31, 2012, 04:37 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MxPhenom 216

Nice work OP. That is a huge difference in temperature with just a thermal paste change.

With those temps, either he didnt have any thermal paste, or he was using woodchips for thermal compound.

MxPhenom 216 · Oct 31, 2012, 04:41 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 3870x2

With those temps, either he didnt have any thermal paste, or he was using woodchips for thermal compound.

I just think that the stock cooler wasnt making correct contact, thus not putting pressure on to spread the stock thermal paste strips. So he was really not getting much heat transfer at all. With the new paste along with the reseat that has gotten rid of all the above issues.

Crap Daddy · Oct 31, 2012, 04:45 PM

Told ya it was your CPU. Glad you sorted out. Are the games working better now?

Aksh_47 · Oct 31, 2012, 05:36 PM

I dont know wat was wrong before, but there was compound on, guess it dint make proper contact.. some pictures of what was in there before :

Games seem to working good now..

The extra overclock on the AMP edition seems to have a difference of ~5 frames in games.

brandonwh64 · Oct 31, 2012, 05:44 PM

Glad you got it solved! This had me LOLing!

Frag Maniac · Oct 31, 2012, 08:45 PM

According to EVGA and MSI you need 500w and 30-31 amps total system power for a 560 Ti. Your CX430 has only 28A, kinda pushing it on the PSU.

And are you running just the stock CPU cooler at that OC speed?

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Oct 30, 2012, 06:23 AM	#51
Aksh_47 Join Date: Apr 2012 Location: Goa, India Posts: 112 (0.29/day) Thanks: 3 Thanked 6 Times in 4 Posts System Specs	Okay so in search for a low cost thermal paste and i thought this would be good : http://www.deepcool-us.com/Product/Z9/ Should i also change the cooler?

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Aksh_47 Join Date: Apr 2012 Location: Goa, India Posts: 112 (0.29/day) Thanks: 3 Thanked 6 Times in 4 Posts System Specs	Yep i do, 3 of them.. and ill get some mid range thermal paste, not many seem to be available online.. i thought of getting this : http://www.deepcool-us.com/Product/Z5/ Should i also change the Cooler? If i do, this one is for cheap.. will it be good? http://www.deepcool-us.com/Product/GAMMA_ARCHER/

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Aksh_47 Join Date: Apr 2012 Location: Goa, India Posts: 112 (0.29/day) Thanks: 3 Thanked 6 Times in 4 Posts System Specs	The CM 212 is kinda out of my budget :P Since i wont be doing any overclocking for now, would that deepcool be good?

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Aksh_47 Join Date: Apr 2012 Location: Goa, India Posts: 112 (0.29/day) Thanks: 3 Thanked 6 Times in 4 Posts System Specs	And thanks to all the member here for helping me find out the prob. Will update once i get the thermal compound and heat sink.

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Pehla Join Date: Mar 2012 Location: brčko dc/bosnia and herzegovina Posts: 239 (0.58/day) Thanks: 90 Thanked 61 Times in 47 Posts System Specs	no problemo!! nice to be helpfull i think any aftermerket cooler would be superb.. let us know when u get it how it runs now!! i neve read if anyone answer u what is throtling..well in ur case is cpu(an that can hapen to gpu or some other pc component)...,if it get overheated,or underpowerd or something else he just lover clocks to start task all overagain!

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Oct 31, 2012, 05:36 PM	#73
Aksh_47 Join Date: Apr 2012 Location: Goa, India Posts: 112 (0.29/day) Thanks: 3 Thanked 6 Times in 4 Posts System Specs	I dont know wat was wrong before, but there was compound on, guess it dint make proper contact.. some pictures of what was in there before : Games seem to working good now.. The extra overclock on the AMP edition seems to have a difference of ~5 frames in games.

Oct 31, 2012, 05:44 PM	#74
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