Slow planning of watercooling -550d

[james888]

Originally Posted by cdawall

The black ice GT stealth will perform very very similar to the Koolance 30FPI model. Those phobya fans are not good water cooling fans as far as I am concerned.

Even the low end Sickleflow Coolermaster fan I had originally picked for my HTPC has almost double the static pressure.

A pair of these with the fan running PWM will turn that graph around with the high FPI fans outperforming everything.

Thanks. You confirmed my suspicions. Oh wow 3000rpm GT's! I think the highest GT I would go for is a 1850. I suspect your response will be that I can turn down the fans to 1850rpm...

Originally Posted by MxPhenom 216

Wow that monsta rad is pretty damn good though, but like ive said before, I wouldn't want a rad that huge haha.

I hate to say I told you so. I would rather let you imagine me saying it. I got 165 mm of space in the bottom front of my case. Enough for the monsta rad and 38mm thick fans in push pull. I just say why not.

[cdawall]

Originally Posted by MxPhenom 216

Wow that monsta rad is pretty damn good though, but like ive said before, I wouldn't want a rad that huge haha.

Oh they are great at low CFM don't get me wrong, but as a user who cares next to none for that one I will say a good set of reasonably high CFM, high static pressure fans will cure the entire high FPI issue. Which is why I specifically got a set of hwlabs rads for my HTPC build.

As I posted in your thread



With just those rads I am sitting around 30C idle 42C load on the CPU (after I reseated with good paste ) and 50C load on the GPU at 800/1600 with the 1088mv the fan installed however is rated to 80.66kpa (8.2mmH2O) vs the ~3mmH2O of corsair SP fans.

[james888]

What gpu and cpu? What fan do you have on that rad? How does the does the sytem run? That 3000rpm GT has got to be loud, especially when going through such a dense rad.

[cdawall]

Originally Posted by james888

What gpu and cpu? What fan do you have on that rad? How does the does the sytem run.

Sorry updated here and there while you must have been typing

Xeon X3440@3ghz with HT on with a GTX 470. With smart fan enabled it is silent at idle keeping temps around 35C CPU (30C full on) load stays around the same for both. So I leave smart fan enabled.

It is a scythe ultra kaze 3K 3 pin fan.

[james888]

Originally Posted by cdawall

Sorry updated here and there while you must have been typing

Xeon X3440@3ghz with HT on with a GTX 470. With smart fan enabled it is silent at idle keeping temps around 35C CPU (30C full on) load stays around the same for both. So I leave smart fan enabled.

It is a scythe ultra kaze 3K 3 pin fan.

Those are some nice temps for what I am guessing to be to be about 400 watts of heat. I don't think I want a fan that loud...
Scythe Ultra Kaze 3000 - YouTube

[cdawall]

Originally Posted by james888

Those are some nice temps for what I am guessing to be to be about 400 watts of heat. I don't think I want a fan that loud...

Can't hear it at idle and using smart fan it doesn't normally break 2K RPM which is pretty quiet still just a calming whoosh.

Edit oh and that scythe is nothing



Those are on my H70 right now.

[james888]

Just wow. That fan is loud. You must be near deaf. Cpu temps must be nice though.

That heatercore I bought from dd for $5 I beleive is a Chevrolet Chevette heatercore. Very dense fins I believe and 50mm thick. Since it is so thick maybe I should use that in the bottom right with those panaflows. Get some fan shrouds for it too.

[cdawall]

Originally Posted by james888

Just wow. That fan is loud. You must be near deaf. Cpu temps must be nice though.

That heatercore I bought from dd for $5 I beleive is a Chevrolet Chevette heatercore. Very dense fins I believe and 50mm thick. Since it is so thick maybe I should use that in the bottom right with those panaflows. Get some fan shrouds for it too.

Yea for the most part they run at 5v which is plenty to keep my phenom II@3.9ghz or so on the H70.

The fan shrouds make a huge difference 40% or so...

http://www.overclockers.com/water-co...nd-fan-shroud/

I have actually been helping an ex-member on here build watercooling using bits and bobs off of DD's shutdown.

[MxPhenom 216]

Originally Posted by cdawall

Yea for the most part they run at 5v which is plenty to keep my phenom II@3.9ghz or so on the H70.

The fan shrouds make a huge difference 40% or so...

http://www.overclockers.com/water-co...nd-fan-shroud/

I have actually been helping an ex-member on here build watercooling using bits and bobs off of DD's shutdown.

Yeah shrouds are pretty sweet. I remember people using them all the time on the Thermal Right (TRUE) coolers. Gets rid of the dead spot from the fan hub on big 120x38mm fans.

[MxPhenom 216]

Originally Posted by james888

Thanks. You confirmed my suspicions. Oh wow 3000rpm GT's! I think the highest GT I would go for is a 1850. I suspect your response will be that I can turn down the fans to 1850rpm...

I hate to say I told you so. I would rather let you imagine me saying it. I got 165 mm of space in the bottom front of my case. Enough for the monsta rad and 38mm thick fans in push pull. I just say why not.

Well I mean i knew the monsta rad was good, just not that good. I still don't think your going to get as low as temps on your 7970 as you could with a 240 or 360 rad. You could just mount a UT60 240 or 360 rad on the outside of your case on the back. Youd get quite a bit better temperatures that way.

[james888]

40% makes sense. Since you are getting air through the fins where the impeller is. The impeller looks like roughly 40% of the fan.

Half of my future loop is from dd's shutdown too.

I don't think I can plan further until I get what I have ordered so far in the mail this week. Then I can assess what I need. I have all the invoices but having the stuff in hand is helpful.

[MxPhenom 216]

Originally Posted by james888

40% makes sense. Since you are getting air through the fins where the impeller is. The impeller looks like roughly 40% of the fan.

Half of my future loop is from dd's shutdown too.

I don't think I can plan further until I get what I have ordered so far in the mail this week. Then I can assess what I need. I have all the invoices but having the stuff in hand is helpful.

You shoudl really just mount the GPU rad outside your case if you dont want to mod for biggter then a 120 rad. So much more worth it. Temps will be a lot better.

[james888]

External is an option I am considering.

[MxPhenom 216]

Originally Posted by james888

External is an option I am considering.

Keep it far high in your options list.

[james888]

An antec 620 can keep a 7970 at 60c. That monsta or even this heatercore are way way better than that. I think it would get pretty good temps.

If I go external, why not just get phobya 1080 rad and put some really quiet fans on it.

[MxPhenom 216]

Originally Posted by james888

An antec 620 can keep a 7970 at 60c. That monsta or even this heatercore are way way better than that. I think it would get pretty good temps.

If I go external, why not just get phobya 1080 rad and put some really quiet fans on it.

Might as well just stick that thing in your car lol!

And yea hthe monsta will do better, but not down to 40c better. Where you could be at with a 240 or 360 rad. if you got just a single 360 rad you could run the CPU and GPU off the same rad. Which is actually what Id do if I were you. Less restriction then having 2 rads too.

[james888]

I have this cooling an i7-950 @ 4.4GHz 1.35V, and a GTX 580 @ 975. Neither go above 50°C while gaming, or 60°C (for the CPU) while running Prime95 or IBT. I''m using an MCP-655 (though I think another pump might help if you were adding more block to your loop) and the whole thing is being cooled by three 400RPM fans. Without the fans, the temps were 60/68 CPU/GPU, so even a tiny bit of airflow helps a ridiculous amount. If you''re looking for silent power, look no further.

That thing can really pull out the heat. Lots of professional reviews of it too. If I go external, I am going with the phobya

[cdawall]

Here is the old ass thread that Aaron (freaksavior) and I did way back in the day

http://www.techpowerup.com/forums/showpost.php?p=893201

His ended up with dual 240mm heatercores.

[james888]

I asked xyexz about his experiences with the monsta were. He seems pretty happy with it.

Originally Posted by xyexz

Well personally I don't listen to peoples opinions as much as peoples experiences

Personally I have the gtx 670 oc'd plus a Core i7 2700k OC'd to 4.6GHz on the single 80mm rad and temps are perfect and everything is near silent.

If you're only putting a single gpu on this rad I can't see how it wouldn't cool it efficiently.

TDP of my 670 is 170w
TDP of my 2700k is 95w
(mind you these tdps are non-oc)

I should've clarified those temps are in ambient of 23c.

On air cooling gpu hit 85c and cpu hit 78c, granted i'm in SFF so gpu would be slightly lower in a bigger case with a better air cooler.

In my experience and in the research I've done the fpi is not as good as an 80mm rad with slightly lower fpi.

Given the case you're using and the hardware I would use an alphacool monsta 120 x 80 in the front bottom bay area for the gpu and use a alphacool 120 x 60 in the back top for the cpu.

Alphacool really makes top of the line stuff for rads, but they can be a little pricey, you could use a monsta for the gpu and a cheaper 45 or 60 rad for the cpu of a different brand.

The black ice rads are nice I have used them in the past but they couldn't match the cooling I've done with the monsta rads - I was able to get same cooling as black ice with much less airflow, which means less noise too.

Good luck, let me know what you end up doing!

His review of it is

Originally Posted by xyexz

The NexXxos Monsta 120 radiator is massive at 86mm thick, (actual radiator bar/fin thickness is 80mm), but made almost completely out of copper materials Alphacool has really created something spectacular and way ahead of the pack.

I've had the priviledge to use this radiator in a recent SFF build and it's been a great performer when paired with Corsair SP120 fans.

Just with this radiator alone I'm able to cool a EVGA GTX 670 SC+ as well as an Intel Core i5 3570k and temps are roughly hitting a max of 20-25 degrees above ambient at 1000-1500rpms fan speed.

As I've only had the radiator a short time I can't speak to it's performance over a long period of time but thus far it's made me a believer.

What really sets it over the top for me (past it's stunning watercooling performance) was the superior craftsmanship that is displayed when you first take it out of the box, no flat black easily chipped paint job going on with this - also it comes with pure copper caps as well as copper alan machined bolts for not one but two fans (or one fan and rad mounting).

So basically he confirms that my original plans seem good. I am going to get the 80mm thick monsta, and use the dd heatercore rad behing the cpu. Should be enough for my needs. If I don't get 45c temps I think I will be fine.

[MxPhenom 216]

Dude if your cooling your CPU too, just get a single 360 rad and be done with it. Better temps and less restriction then having 2 baby rads.

[HammerON]

^^^Agree

[MxPhenom 216]

Originally Posted by HammerON

^^^Agree

I mean really,

Get a single 360 rad and a rad box, mount that shit to the back of the case on the outside and go res/pump > 360 rad > CPU block > GPU block > back to res/pump.

[manofthem]

Originally Posted by james888

If I go external, why not just get phobya 1080 rad and put some really quiet fans on it.

I just saw this and thought it was awesome, throw some quiet GT's on it and love it. That's pretty baller imo

[james888]

I havn't bought it yet but I think I am set on that monsta. I don't want to go external. I also think I might use the monsta in another build later on, and switch it out of this one depending on performance etc. Might as well get it now.

Originally Posted by manofthem

I just saw this and thought it was awesome, throw some quiet GT's on it and love it. That's pretty baller imo

If you think that is cool I remember reading this awesome build log with one. This guy made a pc/desk thing. He put that 1080rad underneath is foundation with all I think yateloons, maybe GT's. Not only could that rad keep most systems super cool, the area below is foundation remained at a constant 40c year round.

[MxPhenom 216]

Originally Posted by james888

I havn't bought it yet but I think I am set on that monsta. I don't want to go external. I also think I might use the monsta in another build later on, and switch it out of this one depending on performance etc. Might as well get it now.

I didn't want to either and get a 360 rad, but now I think it wouldn't be too bad. But do what you want. Just saying it might be a cluster fack with 2 little rads in there, rather then just one big one. Youll have a cleaner loop, and less restriction.