AMD Readies "Tahiti" Based Radeon HD 7800 Series Product

btarunr · Nov 6, 2012, 03:02 AM

AMD is reportedly working on a new performance-segment GPU in the Radeon HD 7800 series, based on the 28 nm "Tahiti" silicon (which goes into making HD 7900 series products). The so-called "Tahiti-LE" silicon could help AMD plug a hole between the HD 7870 GHz Edition and HD 7950, getting close to the performance-level of GeForce GTX 660 Ti, at a lower cost. According to a HT4U.net report, AMD is deciding against referring to the new chip as "HD 7930," since the 7900 series is already crowded with five models, and would rather name it something along the lines of "HD 7870 OC."

A similar approach was adopted by NVIDIA in the recent-past, when it created the GeForce GTX 560 Ti 448-cores, using higher-end GF110 silicon to create an SKU traditionally based on GF114. At this time, one can only speculate what the new HD 7870 specifications sheet could look like. Since "Pitcairn" already achieves clock speeds in the 1 GHz range, AMD is left with other features to tinker with. 1536 GCN stream processors seem like a middle ground between the 1280 SP-laden HD 7870 "Pitcairn," and 1792 SP HD 7950. Memory bus width is another component. The new desktop SKU could launch in mid-November. The new SKU could even be a "limited-edition" for the winter shopping season, much like the GTX 560 Ti 448-core.

Source: HT4U.net

dude12564 · Nov 6, 2012, 03:03 AM

7890?

btarunr · Nov 6, 2012, 03:04 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by dude12564

7890?

hd 7870.

Wile E · Nov 6, 2012, 03:04 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by dude12564

7890?

That's what I was thinking it should be.

dude12564 · Nov 6, 2012, 03:08 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by btarunr

hd 7870.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Wile E

That's what I was thinking it should be.

Hoping they'll go for 7890 - make people think it's different!

james888 · Nov 6, 2012, 03:25 AM

The 7870 and 7950 are so close in performance as is

xenocide · Nov 6, 2012, 03:30 AM

Not sure they really need to do this. As mentioned, 7870 and 7950 aren't too far apart, a 7870 with a medium overclock can hit 7950 performance levels iirc.

buggalugs · Nov 6, 2012, 03:51 AM

The 8 series cant be too far away....... maybe they have a bunch of tahiti cores that didnt make spec for the 7950-7970. Or maybe they just want to kill the 660, mid-range gpus are very important for both companies.

Norton · Nov 6, 2012, 03:58 AM

A Tahiti LE that can unlock shaders to a 7950/7970 at a decent price would be nice IMHO

james888 · Nov 6, 2012, 04:03 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by buggalugs

The 8 series cant be too far away....... maybe they have a bunch of tahiti cores that didnt make spec for the 7950-7970. Or maybe they just want to kill the 660, mid-range gpus are very important for both companies.

This sounds much more plausible to me.

NC37 · Nov 6, 2012, 04:52 AM

How bout designing there to be no hole from the beginning? Just nuts there was that huge of a hole there to begin with. Come on AMD, you can do better...except on drivers :P

HumanSmoke · Nov 6, 2012, 05:02 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Norton

A Tahiti LE that can unlock shaders to a 7950/7970 at a decent price would be nice IMHO

Can't unlock any 7000 series card afaia. No reason to think that the 7930 will be any different.

Quote:

Originally Posted by buggalugs

The 8 series cant be too far away......

Closer to March 2013 than today, and they certainly wont be here for the holiday buying season

Quote:

Originally Posted by Norton

. maybe they have a bunch of tahiti cores that didnt make spec for the 7950-7970. Or maybe they just want to kill the 660, mid-range gpus are very important for both companies.

Yes and Yes. Although I wouldn't rush out and buy one. The HD 5830 and GTX 465 should represent what kind of white elephant you end up with when trying to wring too much out of a salvage GPU...top tier power consumption allied with third tier (or fifth, taking into account the GHz Ed.'s) performance, and leprosy tier resale value.

devguy · Nov 6, 2012, 05:11 AM

Yeah, call it 7930, or GTFO.

eidairaman1 · Nov 6, 2012, 05:39 AM

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Covert_Death · Nov 6, 2012, 05:48 AM

to be completely honest, AMD GPU naming scheme is too damn complicated hahaha...

the way i understand it they have a 7950 and a 7870 and now they want a 7930 buts its gonna be squished right in betweeen the two mentioned and could also be a 7890 or whatever the hell they want as long as the number falls inbetween ?????? i don't get it lol

I just don't get the need for 4 digits, yes NVIDIA did it but they only utilized the first 2 and the 3rd COULD be used to designate a modification... that made sense

a 690>680>670>660>650>640>630 THIS MAKES PERFECT SENSE

7970>7950>7930>7870>7850>7780 this is dumb, yes they are in numerical order buts its like what were they smoking when deciding to increment by 20's when your model number is in the 1,000's LOL

eidairaman1 · Nov 6, 2012, 06:00 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Covert_Death

to be completely honest, AMD GPU naming scheme is too damn complicated hahaha...

the way i understand it they have a 7950 and a 7870 and now they want a 7930 buts its gonna be squished right in betweeen the two mentioned and could also be a 7890 or whatever the hell they want as long as the number falls inbetween ?????? i don't get it lol

I just don't get the need for 4 digits, yes NVIDIA did it but they only utilized the first 2 and the 3rd COULD be used to designate a modification... that made sense

a 690>680>670>660>650>640>630 THIS MAKES PERFECT SENSE

7970>7950>7930>7870>7850>7780 this is dumb, yes they are in numerical order buts its like what were they smoking when deciding to increment by 20's when your model number is in the 1,000's LOL

i just say call it a 7860.

Ghost · Nov 6, 2012, 06:09 AM

HD 7870 Ti.

j/k

HD 7870 PRO it is.

Tarkhein · Nov 6, 2012, 06:22 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Covert_Death

to be completely honest, AMD GPU naming scheme is too damn complicated hahaha...

the way i understand it they have a 7950 and a 7870 and now they want a 7930 buts its gonna be squished right in betweeen the two mentioned and could also be a 7890 or whatever the hell they want as long as the number falls inbetween ?????? i don't get it lol

I just don't get the need for 4 digits, yes NVIDIA did it but they only utilized the first 2 and the 3rd COULD be used to designate a modification... that made sense

a 690>680>670>660>650>640>630 THIS MAKES PERFECT SENSE

7970>7950>7930>7870>7850>7780 this is dumb, yes they are in numerical order buts its like what were they smoking when deciding to increment by 20's when your model number is in the 1,000's LOL

Are you serious? Nvidias' naming scheme makes sense to you despite the numerous Ti and variants in between the product lineup (none of which use the third number by the way) and AMDs' naming scheme which has no such thing does not?

HumanSmoke · Nov 6, 2012, 06:24 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Covert_Death

to be completely honest, AMD GPU naming scheme is too damn complicated hahaha...

A bit late to be worrying about it now. Can't be any more confusing than the XT, XTX, Pro and XL suffixes of yore. Not to mention the untruth in advertising for both Nvidia and AMD/ATI:

LE : Limited (appeal) Edition
SE : Special (needs) Edition
PE : PR only Edition

eidairaman1 · Nov 6, 2012, 06:27 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by HumanSmoke

A bit late to be worrying about it now. Can't be any more confusing than the XT, XTX, Pro and XL suffixes of yore. Not to mention the untruth in advertising for both Nvidia and AMD/ATI:

LE : Limited (appeal) Edition
SE : Special (needs) Edition
PE : PR only Edition

how lucky you were you could have a SE that was a 9800 Pro that was locked to meet certain market criteria

Ghost · Nov 6, 2012, 06:27 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Covert_Death

to be completely honest, AMD GPU naming scheme is too damn complicated hahaha...

the way i understand it they have a 7950 and a 7870 and now they want a 7930 buts its gonna be squished right in betweeen the two mentioned and could also be a 7890 or whatever the hell they want as long as the number falls inbetween ?????? i don't get it lol

I just don't get the need for 4 digits, yes NVIDIA did it but they only utilized the first 2 and the 3rd COULD be used to designate a modification... that made sense

a 690>680>670>660>650>640>630 THIS MAKES PERFECT SENSE

7970>7950>7930>7870>7850>7780 this is dumb, yes they are in numerical order buts its like what were they smoking when deciding to increment by 20's when your model number is in the 1,000's LOL

It's simple:
First number: generation
Second number: class
Third number: modification

The Von Matrices · Nov 6, 2012, 07:19 AM

I'm setting my expectations really low. AMD's third-tier chips usually are third tier for a reason and don't make sense to buy. They in the past have had horrible performance/watt compared to similar performance cards (HD 4830, HD 5830) or are so close in performance to the next lowest card that they don't justify their price (HD 6790). NVidia has been hit-or-miss with third tier chips (GTX 465 and GTX 460/560 SE were bad, GTX 560 TI 448 and GTX 660 TI were good), but considering AMD's record, I can't get excited.

okidna · Nov 6, 2012, 07:22 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by HumanSmoke

A bit late to be worrying about it now. Can't be any more confusing than the XT, XTX, Pro and XL suffixes of yore. Not to mention the untruth in

Don't forget the SE, GT and GTO suffixes.

X800, X800 SE, X800 GT, X800GTO, X800 Pro, X800XL, X800XT, X800XT Platinum Edition.

Brilliant..

The Von Matrices · Nov 6, 2012, 07:23 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by okidna

Don't forget the SE, GT and GTO suffixes.

X800, X800 SE, X800 GT, X800GTO, X800 Pro, X800XL, X800XT, X800XT Platinum Edition.

Brilliant..

Don't forget that there was an X800 GTO2, and AGP and PCIe versions of each card you mentioned as well. Whoever thinks that naming today is extremely confusing doesn't remember the past.

ViperXTR · Nov 6, 2012, 07:24 AM

and nVidia once used teh XT as well on their GeForce FX 5600 XT and 5900 XT

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Hard Disk:	Samsung 830 256GB + Samsung Spinpoint T133 HD400LJ 400GB
Optical Drive:	TSSTcorp CDDVDW SH-222AB SATA
CRT/LCD Model:	Samsung SyncMaster EX1920
Case:	Codegen Specialty 604AL-CA
Sound Card:	Realtek ALC889
PSU:	Seasonic S12II-620 Bronze 620W
Software:	Windows 7 Ultimate 64-bit SP1

Nov 6, 2012, 07:19 AM	#22
The Von Matrices Join Date: Dec 2010 Location: State College, PA, USA Posts: 453 (0.49/day) Thanks: 121 Thanked 110 Times in 81 Posts System Specs	I'm setting my expectations really low. AMD's third-tier chips usually are third tier for a reason and don't make sense to buy. They in the past have had horrible performance/watt compared to similar performance cards (HD 4830, HD 5830) or are so close in performance to the next lowest card that they don't justify their price (HD 6790). NVidia has been hit-or-miss with third tier chips (GTX 465 and GTX 460/560 SE were bad, GTX 560 TI 448 and GTX 660 TI were good), but considering AMD's record, I can't get excited. __________________

System Name:	My Surround PC / Bitcoin Miner
Processor:	Intel Xeon E5649 (Westmere-EP) @ 3.70GHz/4.07GHz Turbo
Motherboard:	Asus P6X58D Premium
Cooling:	Swiftech MCP35X / XSPC Rasa CPU / Heatkiller GPU-X HD79x0 / Swiftech MCW82 / Koolance HX-1320 4x12cm
Memory:	12GB (6 x 2 GB) Patriot DDR3-1333 @ 1480MHz 8-8-8-24
Video Card:	3 X AMD Radeon HD 7970 3GB CrossfireX @ 1.11GHz core/7GHz mem
Hard Disk:	OCZ Agility 3 240GB 6Gbps, 2TB Toshiba MK2002TSKB
Optical Drive:	Pioneer 12X BD-Writer BDR-207D
CRT/LCD Model:	3 x Asus VW266H 26" in Surround 5760x1200
Case:	Antec Nine Hundred Two, Logitech G15, Gigabyte Aivia Krypton
Sound Card:	Integrated ALC889 + Logitech Z-5500 5.1
PSU:	Enermax MAXREVO 1.5 kW
Software:	Windows 8 Pro x64
Benchmarks:	2350 MH/s @ 1175MHz GPU Core 2.25 MH/J

System Name:	Downgrading......
Processor:	AMD FX-4100 @ 4.6 Ghz
Motherboard:	ASRock 970 Extreme3
Cooling:	Xigmatek DK Nighthawk
Memory:	F3-12800CL9D-4GBRL
Video Card:	HIS HD7850 @ 1000/1400
Hard Disk:	80GB WDC + 500 GB WDC GREEN
PSU:	Seasonic SS-650AT 650W
Software:	Windows 7 SP1 x64
Benchmarks:	http://www.techpowerup.com/gpuz/aqppg/ \| http://valid.canardpc.com/2702426

Nov 6, 2012, 07:24 AM	#25
ViperXTR Join Date: Jan 2011 Location: Pasig City, Philippines Posts: 1,034 (1.19/day) Thanks: 111 Thanked 339 Times in 190 Posts System Specs	and nVidia once used teh XT as well on their GeForce FX 5600 XT and 5900 XT

System Name:	TeraUltima 7 \| Ultima 7
Processor:	Intel Core i3 2100 3.1Ghz Dual Core HT \| AMD Athlon64 X2 5200+ @2.7Ghz
Motherboard:	ASRock Z68 Pro3-M mATX\| ASRock ALiveNF7G-720pHD 2.0 mATX
Cooling:	DeepCool Ice Berg Pro "Black Edition" \| Stock AMD AM2 Cooler
Memory:	G.Skill RipJaws 2 x 4GB DDR3 1333Mhz CL8 \| 2GB Kingston 667Mhz Ram
Video Card:	Palit GeForce GTX 660 OC 2GB \| GeForce 7050 PV IGP 128MB HM
Hard Disk:	1TB Seagate Barracuda 7200.12 SATA3 AHCI\| 80GB Maxtor IDE
Optical Drive:	ASUS DVD MultiWriter SATA w/ LightScribe \| None
CRT/LCD Model:	LG Flatron L1753S 17" LCD Monitor \| 15" Generic CRT Monitor
Case:	Aerocool PGS VS-9 Mid Tower Casing \| ATX Mars 722-2 ATX Casing
Sound Card:	Onboard Realtek ALC892 7.1 HD Audio \| Onboard Realtek ALC662 5.1 HD Audio
PSU:	OCZ Stealth X Stream II 600W \| Generic 550W ATX PSU
Software:	Windows 7 Ultimate 64bit SP1 \| Windows 7 Home Premium
Benchmarks:	http://i14.photobucket.com/albums/a338/ViperXtreme/pics/PRIPYAT.jpg

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