Super Budget Build - Pro's, come help!

[cdawall]

Originally Posted by m&m's

Change the video card for this one: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16814102950

The one I suggest you use GDDR5 instead of DDR3 witch is a most with dual graphics.

It's crossfired with the onboard which uses actual DDR3 no point. Performance gain will be minimal at best.

[tecster]

Originally Posted by cdawall

Fractal Design Core 1000
PC Power and Cooling Silencer MK III 500W
A10-5800K+GIGABYTE GA-F2A75M-D3H
SAMSUNG DVD Burner
Seagate Barracuda ST2000DM001 2TB HDD
SAPPHIRE Radeon HD 6670 1GB
XIGMATEK Gaia SD1283

There you go motherboard supports 4 dimm slots, included the video card for hybrid crossfire and a good cooler for overclocking. $459.93 before MIR's, but the parts listed have another $35 worth of MIR available. If you played with a budget some you could stuff an SSD in there for the OS/Games drive.

Looks like this is about the best deal I'd get huh? I guess I should just wait till tomorrow and go from there and see what I can get on a supersale? Is anyone gonna be available to considerably help me? I feel like I'd be lost!

[m&m's]

Originally Posted by cdawall

It's crossfired with the onboard which uses actual DDR3 no point. Performance gain will be minimal at best.

Noobism more?

http://www.hardware.fr/articles/878-...lefield-3.html
35fps vs 59fps
38.8fps vs 45.8fps
31.4fps vs 46.2fps

http://www.hardware.fr/articles/878-...-diablo-3.html
31fps vs 60fps
15.2fps vs 26.7fps
63fps vs 84.5fps

http://www.hardware.fr/articles/878-...rclocking.html
Average of 114.3 vs 174.4

Minimal gain? Yeah sure...

Go with a GDDR5 HD 6670.

[tecster]

Originally Posted by m&m's

Noobism more?

http://www.hardware.fr/medias/photos...IMG0038922.png
35fps vs 59fps
http://www.hardware.fr/medias/photos...IMG0038924.png
38.8fps vs 45.8fps
http://www.hardware.fr/medias/photos...IMG0038926.png
31.4fps vs 46.2fps
http://www.hardware.fr/medias/photos...IMG0038928.png
31fps vs 60fps
http://www.hardware.fr/medias/photos...IMG0038930.png
15.2fps vs 26.7fps
http://www.hardware.fr/medias/photos...IMG0038932.png
63fps vs 84.5fps
http://www.hardware.fr/medias/photos...IMG0038939.png
Average of 114.3 vs 174.4

Minimal gain? Yeah sure...

Go with a GDDR5 HD 6670.

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[m&m's]

Originally Posted by tecster

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[tecster]

Originally Posted by m&m's

I just corrected the shot.

Thanks, okay so maybe upgrading to that video card would be a good idea - the issue is the price...brings it right up or over budget... where can I crunch pennies?

[[Ion]]

Originally Posted by tecster

Thanks, okay so maybe upgrading to that video card would be a good idea - the issue is the price...brings it right up or over budget... where can I crunch pennies?

It's not a ton--but you can ax the DVD drive. You can install Windows from a flash drive, and a DVD drive is always easy to add later on.

[cdawall]

Originally Posted by m&m's

Noobism more?

Read your own graphs as well?

Originally Posted by m&m's

http://www.hardware.fr/articles/878-...lefield-3.html
35fps vs 59fps

It also shows the 6670 GDDR3 outperforming the 6670 GDDR5 when use on its own. Interesting maybe we should be a little more stringent on benchmarks.

Originally Posted by m&m's

38.8fps vs 45.8fps

Somehow adding the 6670GDDR3 hurts performance yet adding the GDDR5 card helps it. Again either someone is doing a piss poor job with their benchmarks or something is wrong in the setup.

Originally Posted by m&m's

31.4fps vs 46.2fps

Oh wait here is one that takes advantage of the added bandwidth of the card. Interesting how this one game shows such a 10FPS improvement moving from the GDDR3 to GDDR5 card. Something no other benchmarking site shows.

Originally Posted by m&m's

31fps vs 60fps

Crossfire obviously isn't working in this one and somehow you get a 100% improvement with GDDR5.

Originally Posted by m&m's

15.2fps vs 26.7fps

Again crossfire isn't working and somehow almost 100% improvement with the GDDR5...

Originally Posted by m&m's

63fps vs 84.5fps

Again crossfire isn't working. I am starting to see a trend.

Originally Posted by m&m's

Average of 114.3 vs 174.4

Interesting how all but one benchmark shows a negative improvement going to 6670 crossfire and this graph shows a positive one...Someone either lacks the ability to average or was looking at a different set of benchmarks than me.

Originally Posted by m&m's

Minimal gain? Yeah sure...

Go with a GDDR5 HD 6670.

Yup your benchmarking site does such a wonderful job can't even get crossfire to work in all but what one benchmark. Yet they are who you base your purchase off of?

Now I am not saying the GDDR5 card offers improvements simply that its not worth any extra money whatsoever. Overclock the GDDR3 card overclock the onboard DDR3 for the IGP both will offer more of an improvement than the GDDR5 card will on its own.

[m&m's]

Originally Posted by cdawall

Read your own graphs as well?


http://img.techpowerup.org/121125/Capture003145.jpg

It also shows the 6670 GDDR3 outperforming the 6670 GDDR5 when use on its own. Interesting maybe we should be a little more stringent on benchmarks.

Maybe a driver issue? Have you ever heard of bad drivers? It happens.

Originally Posted by cdawall

http://img.techpowerup.org/121125/Capture004931.jpg

Somehow adding the 6670GDDR3 hurts performance yet adding the GDDR5 card helps it. Again either someone is doing a piss poor job with their benchmarks or something is wrong in the setup.

Are you kidding me "it helps it", it gives 1 fps, this game is simply not well optimized for dual graphics. (Maybe AMD drivers fault)

Originally Posted by cdawall

http://img.techpowerup.org/121125/Capture005311.jpg

Oh wait here is one that takes advantage of the added bandwidth of the card. Interesting how this one game shows such a 10FPS improvement moving from the GDDR3 to GDDR5 card. Something no other benchmarking site shows.

Battlefield 3 needs a lot of memory bandwidth so I'm not surprised that the GDDR3 is bottlenecking the GPU.

Originally Posted by cdawall

http://img.techpowerup.org/121125/Capture006.jpg

Crossfire obviously isn't working in this one and somehow you get a 100% improvement with GDDR5.

Again, GDDR3 is bottlenecking the GPU and this game is simply not well optimized for dual graphics, probably AMD drivers fault.

Originally Posted by cdawall

http://img.techpowerup.org/121125/Capture007.jpg

Again crossfire isn't working and somehow almost 100% improvement with the GDDR5...

Again, GDDR3 is bottlenecking the GPU and this game is simply not well optimized for dual graphics, probably AMD drivers fault.

Originally Posted by cdawall

http://img.techpowerup.org/121125/Capture008.jpg

Again crossfire isn't working. I am starting to see a trend.

Again, GDDR3 is bottlenecking the GPU and this game is simply not well optimized for dual graphics, probably AMD drivers fault.

Originally Posted by cdawall

http://img.techpowerup.org/121125/Capture009.jpg

Interesting how all but one benchmark shows a negative improvement going to 6670 crossfire and this graph shows a positive one...Someone either lacks the ability to average or was looking at a different set of benchmarks than me.

44+43+42,4+18,9+33+17,3+38=236,6 = 100
35+35+38,8+31,4+31+15,2+63=249,4 = 105,4

I don't know where they took 14%, but it's 5% higher for the dual graphics GDDR3.

59+59+44,6+28,3+61+33,9+58,5=344,3 = 145,5
70+69+45,8+46,2+60+26,7+84,5=402,2 = 170

Again I don't know how they did their average... but they were near this time.

Originally Posted by cdawall

Yup your benchmarking site does such a wonderful job can't even get crossfire to work in all but what one benchmark. Yet they are who you base your purchase off of?

Dafuq? Crossfire was on, but hybrid crossfire does not always give positive results and you can see this in a lot of websites.

Example: http://hexus.net/tech/reviews/cpu/46...uation/?page=2

I used this website since that is the only I found that compare dual graphics of the HD 6670 GDDR3 to the GDDR5.

Originally Posted by cdawall

Now I am not saying the GDDR5 card offers improvements simply that its not worth any extra money whatsoever. Overclock the GDDR3 card overclock the onboard DDR3 for the IGP both will offer more of an improvement than the GDDR5 card will on its own.

Can't you see that the HD 6670 GPU is bottlenecked by GDDR3? 25.6 GB/s is not enough for this card.

When dual graphics is supported, GDDR5 gives a real boost compared to GDDR3 in most games.

[cdawall]

Originally Posted by m&m's

Can't you see that the HD 6670 GPU is bottlenecked by GDDR3? 25.6 GB/s is not enough for this card.

When dual graphics is supported, GDDR5 gives a real boost compared to GDDR3 in most games.

In most games you just posted it wasn't even supported. Like you said for every single time the GDDR3 card didn't loose you claim bad drivers I can do the same thing every single time the GDDR5 card performs better.

Honestly for the price of the GDDR5 card you may as well just purchase a GTX 550Ti it performs better than the GDDR5 6670 in hybrid crossfire.

[tecster]

Apples to apples here people, I'm not looking for a bickering match. I'd like to know what build would just be a basic suit to my needs.

I'm okay with it being DDR3, as long as it suits my needs. Like I said, I'm not looking to blow something out of the water, just looking to play the games on a decent level with no lag or no worries about graphic lag...

I appreciate all the information, but I'm not looking for this to turn into a pissing competition.

[cdawall]

Ddr3 will suit your needs fine. Overclock it some and move on

[tecster]

Should I wait for Cyber Monday?

[tecster]

if I go with Norton's build, do I need something like this?

Thermal Paste

[[Ion]]

Originally Posted by tecster

if I go with Norton's build, do I need something like this?

Thermal Paste

The AMD heatsink will have some pre-applied.

[tecster]

Sweet, lookin' at about 353 with no OS.... I hope Microsoft will give me another key.