Sapphire HD4850 artifacts...

HiSpeed · Oct 28, 2012, 10:42 AM

Hello,

I have a Sapphire HD 4850 512MB GDDR3 creating artifacts ($$$$$$$ into the bootup black screen, etc.) and not working properly in 3D.

With difficulties, I succeeded twice to fix that, with an OCCT GPU test.

I don't know if it's a known issue (BIOS bug or hardware malfunction), or it's coming from what I tried to do for the cooling fan : here.

I use the last Catalyst 12.6 for my XP Pro SP3 but that's surely not the problem here.

If someone can help?

Thanks

Naito · Oct 28, 2012, 10:49 AM

If you flashed a modded BIOS onto the card, try rolling it back to the original. Also, if you have changed your drivers recently, try going back to ones you knew worked. By the sound of it, the card might be on its way out or is getting too hot (maybe try cleaning the cooler).

HiSpeed · Oct 28, 2012, 11:35 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Naito

If you flashed a modded BIOS onto the card, try rolling it back to the original. Also, if you have changed your drivers recently, try going back to ones you knew worked. By the sound of it, the card might be on its way out or is getting too hot (maybe try cleaning the cooler).

Thanks for your answer.

I've been obliged to roll back before to run OCCT because it was not capable to start without error.
Please note that after rolling back, I powered off and on the PC without success, only OCCT fixed this issue.

My modded BIOS has been working without trouble for several days.
This old card is new for me, so I installed it with the last driver after a clean-up (cooling paste change, dust, etc.).

For now, the card works fine with the original BIOS...

HiSpeed · Oct 30, 2012, 09:20 AM

As the card seems to be working now with the original BIOS, my mod is probably responsible.

What could be the origin, the "PWM ramp on"?

I repeat the screen shots :
- original
- modded

eidairaman1 · Oct 30, 2012, 09:26 AM

Artifacts can occur from not having enough voltage applied for the Gpu and memory

HiSpeed · Oct 30, 2012, 10:11 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by eidairaman1

Artifacts can occur from not having enough voltage applied for the Gpu and memory

Yes, but I got this issue with 2 PSU (Antec 450W and Enermax 350W), so I think the BIOS responsible...

UbErN00b · Oct 30, 2012, 10:19 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by HiSpeed

Yes, but I got this issue with 2 PSU (Antec 450W and Enermax 350W), so I think the BIOS responsible...

He means vcore on the card this has nothing to do with the output of your PSU, the card didn't like the modded bios but works well with the original, just take it as a lesson learned and move on.

HiSpeed · Oct 30, 2012, 10:33 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by UbErN00b

just take it as a lesson learned and move on.

Easy to say, but where to move?
In other words, how to modify the thermal parameters with RBE (if I suppose this tool good)?

UbErN00b · Oct 30, 2012, 10:50 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by HiSpeed

Easy to say, but where to move?
In other words, how to modify the thermal parameters with RBE (if I suppose this tool good)?

Why not just use software to OC it?

eidairaman1 · Oct 30, 2012, 12:41 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by UbErN00b

Why not just use software to OC it?

what I was saying is the voltage applied for VCore and Vdimm werent high enough to support the clocks being used for the card, where as restoring the original bios put the card back in normal operating parameters.

Honestly THough You should be able to use MSI After Burner for Voltage adjustments to that card. if Youre having artifacts after increasing clock speed increase your voltage slightly. But Keep your temperatures in check.
http://event.msi.com/vga/afterburner/overview.htm

Reference temperatures for the 4850 by SKU

http://www.tomshardware.com/forum/35...imum-safe-temp

I also have to ask what is the rest of the system specs for the machine because overclocking a GPU puts a heavier than normal load on the PSU too and if the PSU cant keep up youll never reach the speeds you want

UbErN00b · Oct 30, 2012, 12:51 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by eidairaman1

what I was saying is the voltage applied for VCore and Vdimm werent high enough to support the clocks being used for the card, where as restoring the original bios put the card back in normal operating parameters

I understood that, the OP didn't as he replied that he had tried 2 different PSU's. I still think he would be better off sticking to software OC.

eidairaman1 · Oct 30, 2012, 12:56 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by UbErN00b

I understood that, the OP didn't as he replied that he had tried 2 different PSU's. I still think he would be better off sticking to software OC.

Yes I agree, it is alot safer than bios modding, plus easier to stop compared to a bios flash that has clocks and voltage set too high

HiSpeed · Oct 30, 2012, 04:55 PM

Please, keep in mind that my need was not to OC anything, but only to change the fan curve !

Note also that during my OCCT GPU tests, I checked the voltages with AIDA64 for the 2 PSU's, and nothing was wrong...

That looks like a corrupted BIOS, but I don't understand why when reinstalling the original, the corruption remains until I use OCCT...

eidairaman1 · Oct 30, 2012, 09:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by HiSpeed

Please, keep in mind that my need was not to OC anything, but only to change the fan curve !

Note also that during my OCCT GPU tests, I checked the voltages with AIDA64 for the 2 PSU's, and nothing was wrong...

That looks like a corrupted BIOS, but I don't understand why when reinstalling the original, the corruption remains until I use OCCT...

Now I'm confused. you first said that after bios modding you had artifacting. but after you put the original back in you don't have it. now you're saying you have artifacting but after running occt it doesn't artifact. SO which is it do you or don't you have artifacting!?

Also sometimes monitors or cables do cause issues over time centain percentage out of proper working units

UbErN00b · Oct 30, 2012, 10:12 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by HiSpeed

Please, keep in mind that my need was not to OC anything, but only to change the fan curve !

Note also that during my OCCT GPU tests, I checked the voltages with AIDA64 for the 2 PSU's, and nothing was wrong...

That looks like a corrupted BIOS, but I don't understand why when reinstalling the original, the corruption remains until I use OCCT...

Why are you monitoring the PSU voltages? software monitoring of PSU rails is crap at best and that's not what was implied earlier regarding voltages, he was referring to the internal voltages of the cards core clock and memory clock, not your PSU voltages.

Any named brand 300w+ PSU will be able to handle a 4850, the issue seems to be your card didn't like the bios you flashed it with. Use software to create fan profiles, it's better than risking bricking the card altogether.

eidairaman1 · Oct 31, 2012, 01:35 AM

I suspect the card might be ramping voltage and clock speed up during games/ stress testing. but honestly the best stress tests are a slew of games where data is extremely dynamic

HiSpeed · Oct 31, 2012, 06:54 AM

As there is some confusing, I explain again.

Twice I modded my BIOS only to change the fan curve.
Twice I got artifacts (after a long while) but it was impossible to suppress them, even with an original BIOS restoration, or changing the PSU.
The only solution I found, has been to run an OCCT GPU test with the original BIOS.

I tested voltages with AIDA64 because I suspected my first Antec 450W PSU.
At this level, I still have a doupt with so it's the reason why I use now the Enermax 350W.

For now, games, FurMark, OCCT run without any error.

Thanks again for your help, sorry if I was unclear.

HiSpeed · Oct 31, 2012, 09:31 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by eidairaman1

Artifacts can occur from not having enough voltage applied for the Gpu and memory

Do you think PSU micro-breaks capable to do that, with normal voltages from system stability test of Aida64 ?

RCoon · Oct 31, 2012, 10:09 AM

Also artifacts can occasionally be caused by weak connections in the solder if the card has been running at high temps. The solution i used for a 7900 geforce was to stick it in the oven for 12 minutes at 375 degrees farenheit after removing all plastic and the cooler. Worked a charm for me.

HiSpeed · Oct 31, 2012, 10:32 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RCoon

Also artifacts can occasionally be caused by weak connections in the solder if the card has been running at high temps. The solution i used for a 7900 geforce was to stick it in the oven for 12 minutes at 375 degrees farenheit after removing all plastic and the cooler. Worked a charm for me.

Yes I know, but that's not my case, further more my wife refuses to loan me her oven...

HiSpeed · Oct 31, 2012, 07:17 PM

Hello guys,

I think I've found the culprit...

When opening my Antec PSU box, I've discovered a very brown zone around a diode.

When touching the diode with a pencil, it was moving.
On the other side, I saw its 2 pins not correctly soldered on the printed circuit board.

What's your feeling now?

Sasqui · Oct 31, 2012, 08:12 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by HiSpeed

What's your feeling now?

You need a new PSU!

HiSpeed · Oct 31, 2012, 08:31 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sasqui

You need a new PSU!

No, because I've re-soldered the diode...

Next time, think twice before to answer...

UbErN00b · Oct 31, 2012, 08:44 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by HiSpeed

No, because I've re-soldered the diode...

Next time, think twice before to answer...

Next time let people know that you have fixed an issue you posted about as we're not mind readers, and try not to be sarcastic about it

HiSpeed · Nov 1, 2012, 05:47 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by UbErN00b

Next time let people know that you have fixed an issue you posted about as we're not mind readers, and try not to be sarcastic about it

Once again, you're on the wrong way...

I thanks eidairama1 who gave me a good idea for a possible electrical issue.

I don't consider my problem fixed yet, because I have to reflash my modded BIOS to be sure, but I think you can't understand that...

Oct 28, 2012, 10:42 AM	#1
HiSpeed Join Date: Oct 2012 Location: Paris France Posts: 68 (0.31/day) Thanks: 10 Thanked 5 Times in 5 Posts	Sapphire HD4850 artifacts... Hello, I have a Sapphire HD 4850 512MB GDDR3 creating artifacts ($$$$$$$ into the bootup black screen, etc.) and not working properly in 3D. With difficulties, I succeeded twice to fix that, with an OCCT GPU test. I don't know if it's a known issue (BIOS bug or hardware malfunction), or it's coming from what I tried to do for the cooling fan : here. I use the last Catalyst 12.6 for my XP Pro SP3 but that's surely not the problem here. If someone can help? Thanks

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Naito Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: Terra Australis Posts: 182 (0.14/day) Thanks: 49 Thanked 55 Times in 51 Posts System Specs	If you flashed a modded BIOS onto the card, try rolling it back to the original. Also, if you have changed your drivers recently, try going back to ones you knew worked. By the sound of it, the card might be on its way out or is getting too hot (maybe try cleaning the cooler).

Oct 30, 2012, 09:20 AM	#4
HiSpeed Join Date: Oct 2012 Location: Paris France Posts: 68 (0.31/day) Thanks: 10 Thanked 5 Times in 5 Posts	As the card seems to be working now with the original BIOS, my mod is probably responsible. What could be the origin, the "PWM ramp on"? I repeat the screen shots : - original - modded

Oct 30, 2012, 04:55 PM	#13
HiSpeed Join Date: Oct 2012 Location: Paris France Posts: 68 (0.31/day) Thanks: 10 Thanked 5 Times in 5 Posts	Please, keep in mind that my need was not to OC anything, but only to change the fan curve ! Note also that during my OCCT GPU tests, I checked the voltages with AIDA64 for the 2 PSU's, and nothing was wrong... That looks like a corrupted BIOS, but I don't understand why when reinstalling the original, the corruption remains until I use OCCT... Last edited by HiSpeed; Oct 30, 2012 at 05:51 PM.

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eidairaman1 Eligible for custom title Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: HTX Posts: 10,078 (4.69/day) Thanks: 1,359 Thanked 1,159 Times in 1,035 Posts System Specs	I suspect the card might be ramping voltage and clock speed up during games/ stress testing. but honestly the best stress tests are a slew of games where data is extremely dynamic __________________ Athlon XP USERS with COD 4 FIX http://www.techsupportforum.com/foru...ls-202011.html http://www.howorks.com/2011/02/24/ho...-memory-limit/ “Sometimes my level of fail is unprecedented.” -TheMailMan78 “This is what the force of a thousand suns looks like.” -3870x2

Oct 31, 2012, 06:54 AM	#17
HiSpeed Join Date: Oct 2012 Location: Paris France Posts: 68 (0.31/day) Thanks: 10 Thanked 5 Times in 5 Posts	As there is some confusing, I explain again. Twice I modded my BIOS only to change the fan curve. Twice I got artifacts (after a long while) but it was impossible to suppress them, even with an original BIOS restoration, or changing the PSU. The only solution I found, has been to run an OCCT GPU test with the original BIOS. I tested voltages with AIDA64 because I suspected my first Antec 450W PSU. At this level, I still have a doupt with so it's the reason why I use now the Enermax 350W. For now, games, FurMark, OCCT run without any error. Thanks again for your help, sorry if I was unclear. Last edited by HiSpeed; Oct 31, 2012 at 11:01 AM.

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