Microsoft Security Essentials Fails AV-Test Certification

[rtwjunkie]

Well it looks like based on PCmag I'm going to have to stop reccomending MSe to my friends and co-workers before they all show up at my door with ptichforks and torches! Thanks for the update Drone!

[Melvis]

Originally Posted by Drone

The Best Antivirus for 2013
by PCMAG. If it's tl; dr for you then:

AVG, AVAST, Bitdefender, Malwarebytes and Kaspersky is their choice.

MSE didn't make it.

No surprise there!!

Thanks for the link though, im interested in this webroot, sounds very good and interesting, going to look into that one (doesn't work on XP)

[mediasorcerer]

Originally Posted by TheMailMan78

Yeah of course. Its no big deal. Just use whatever works for you. I use a MSE+Malwarebytes and Ive been good for a while now (knocks on wood). Doesnt matter what you use. Its all in your browsing habits. Most infections are from java or people installing bootleg crap.

yes-yes=yes!!!^

[shovenose]

I used to recommend MSE but it was never so good. A lot of people I built computers for that I put MSE on came back with viruses.

Ever since I started deploying machines with Avast I swear I haven't had a single one come back!
I deploy the customer/client machines with Avast Free, my personal laptop runs Avast Pro and my desktops will soon be upgraded to Pro, it's only $19.99/year!

[Melvis]

Originally Posted by shovenose

I used to recommend MSE but it was never so good. A lot of people I built computers for that I put MSE on came back with viruses.

Ever since I started deploying machines with Avast I swear I haven't had a single one come back!
I deploy the customer/client machines with Avast Free, my personal laptop runs Avast Pro and my desktops will soon be upgraded to Pro, it's only $19.99/year!

Thats exactly what i found also, good to hear someone else also having the same results as myself, excellent

[shovenose]

Originally Posted by Melvis

Thats exactly what i found also, good to hear someone else also having the same results as myself, excellent

I forgot to mention my favorite part.
http://www.avast.com/fun

[Melvis]

Originally Posted by shovenose

I forgot to mention my favorite part.
http://www.avast.com/fun

thats awesome, im so going to give that a go!!

[OneMoar]

so some no name group out of Germany failed mse, no data on what tests they ran no note about there methodology
seems legit to me
whats that saying
and not a single ƒuk was given .... that day
dave is right unless you taking a stroll though a piss poor part of interweb town av is pretty fracking useless
the hilarious part is that one could write a simple VB script to completely fubar a system and no av on the planet would pick it up lol

[Melvis]

Originally Posted by OneMoar

the hilarious part is that one could write a simple VB script to completely fubar a system and no av on the planet would pick it up lol

Off you go then!!

[Drone]

Update:

The top scores of 16.5 points went to Bitdefender. Kaspersky and Norton came in second, with 16 points each.

MSE and everyone else failed.

[TheMailMan78]

Apparently MSE failing these tests are pretty irrelevant. Even AV Test Institute is agreeing with MS that their (AV Test Institute) OWN testing methods need reviewing. Guess the E-peen contest continues.

http://news.cnet.com/8301-1009_3-575...ty-essentials/

[Drone]

They only said they will improve their testings, they said nothing about MSE not failing. There's no need to pull things outta yr ass.

[TheMailMan78]

Originally Posted by Drone

They only said they will improve their testings, they said nothing about MSE not failing. There's no need to pull things outta yr ass.

They (MSE) failed by flawed testing methods. That's not a fail by MSE. That's a fail by the tester which ADMITTED they need to review their testing methods. I know it hurt some people personally but that's just life ya know?

[OneMoar]

Originally Posted by OneMoar

so some no name group out of Germany failed mse, no data on what tests they ran no note about there methodology
seems legit to me
whats that saying
and not a single ƒuk was given .... that day
dave is right unless you taking a stroll though a piss poor part of interweb town av is pretty fracking useless
the hilarious part is that one could write a simple VB script to completely fubar a system and no av on the planet would pick it up lol

quoting my self for truth

[Drone]

Originally Posted by TheMailMan78

They (MSE) failed by flawed testing methods. That's not a fail by MSE. That's a fail by the tester which ADMITTED they need to review their testing methods. I know it hurt some people personally but that's just life ya know?

Tester admitted that their methods ain't perfect, they didn't say that mse wins if methods are 100% correct. What life? You make me laugh. Save your uber av expert opinions for someone who cares, no need to twist the truth.

[TheMailMan78]

Originally Posted by Drone

Tester admitted that their methods ain't perfect, they didn't say that mse wins if methods are 100% correct. What life? You make me laugh. Save your uber av expert opinions for someone who cares, no need to twist the truth.

There is no "winning" in this conversation. However there are proper testing methods to things and the tester in this case has admitted that thier testing is flawed. Flawed to the point that the CEO is contacting other AV companies to get feedback on how to adjust thier testing to be more accurate to real world senerios.

Its like you are saying they tested a battleship to see if it would float in a bath tub. It didn't. Its obviously not sea worthy.

The testing method is flawed. Savvy?

[brandonwh64]

I think mailmans right.

[erixx]

I just had my first warning in years, if we omit infected pendrives that people bring me.

While I was surfin' the net with Opera, Windows 8 Defender warning appeared with a sound: malware!!

It was a nonsense named file in both Opera Caché and Temp folder that is defined as a Adobe PDF malware code. Upon closer examination and a second manual System check, Defender found two more malicous codes with same timestamp. Had to restart the computer.

I was visiting the usual trusted sites but had one tab with a site I never before visited: "Un poco geek" a spanish geek/gadgets site, must have been inyected from that one. (if anyone wants to test his AV : ) )

[TheMailMan78]

Originally Posted by erixx

I just had my first warning in years, if we omit infected pendrives that people bring me.

While I was surfin' the net with Opera, Windows 8 Defender warning appeared with a sound: malware!!

It was a nonsense named file in both Opera Caché and Temp folder that is defined as a Adobe PDF malware code. Upon closer examination and a second manual System check, Defender found two more malicous codes with same timestamp. Had to restart the computer.

I was visiting the usual trusted sites but had one tab with a site I never before visited: "Un poco geek" a spanish geek/gadgets site, must have been inyected from that one. (if anyone wants to test his AV : ) )

Chances are if you were using IE 10 it would have blocked the site all togther before anything would have even made it to your machine.

[erixx]

I believe you, gotta test it now, fire in the hole!!!!

... Tried it and nothing special happened. Maybe it was not the last page I visited but something during the session. Ah! And behold, after Defender cleaned it, I got a scary "Svhost has stopped responding."
The nasty files went into the quarentine, and I deleted them, but after about 5 minutes the same warnings came back! Not happy :/

Now running Antimalware full check....

[TheMailMan78]

Originally Posted by erixx

I believe you, gotta test it now, fire in the hole!!!!

... Tried it and nothing special happened. Maybe it was not the last page I visited but something during the session. Ah! And behold, after Defender cleaned it, I got a scary "Svhost has stopped responding."
The nasty files went into the quarentine, and I deleted them, but after about 5 minutes the same warnings came back! Not happy :/

Now running Antimalware full check....

Try clearing your cache and deleting all temp files using "disk cleanup". What I bet happen is you got hit with a java exploit variant of blackhole that DL other nasties on your rig.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blackhole_exploit_kit

Try Malwarebytes also man. It cleans up (once detected) better then ANY AV program.

EDIT: Also to be "100% sure" you can boot from the Kapersky Rescue Disk 10. Its free and it will allow you to boot from a CD and scan the MBR partition along with the OS drive without ever booting into them. Its a great way to catch root kits and nasties in the MBR that a lot of AV tend to miss.
https://support.kaspersky.com/4162

Once you are "clean" I would also run a window integrity check. All it takes is one corrupt DLL to mess everything up.
System File Integrity Checker (SFC) - Protect Wind...

[erixx]

Did that already, thanks, including browser caches, windows temps and java cache...
(Waiting for the day that programs cannot write temps out of their asses everywhere like a dog with diarrea...)

Now I have peace, no more signs of this malware..aha... bytes

[TheMailMan78]

Originally Posted by erixx

Did that already, thanks, including browser caches, windows temps and java cache...
(Waiting for the day that programs cannot write temps out of their asses everywhere like a dog with diarrea...)

Now I have peace, no more signs of this malware..aha... bytes

Check out my edit above your last post.

[Melvis]

Originally Posted by TheMailMan78

They (MSE) failed by flawed testing methods. That's not a fail by MSE. That's a fail by the tester which ADMITTED they need to review their testing methods. I know it hurt some people personally but that's just life ya know?

Was it just MSE they failed at testing or does that include all the others that also were tested?