4870 to 6850 Upgrade (Benchmarks - Sleeping Dogs and Metro 2033)

[Absolution]

System Config:

AMD Phenom 9850 Black Edition
4GB DDR2 667
AMD Radeon HD4870 1GB GDDR 5
MSI R6850-PM2D1GD5 Radeon HD 6850 1GB 256-bit GDDR5

Benchmarks

1. Metro 2033:

Options: Resolution: 1360 x 768; DirectX: DirectX 10; Quality: Very High; Antialiasing: MSAA 4X; Texture filtering: AF 16X; Advanced PhysX: Enabled; Tesselation: Not supported; DOF: Not supported

•Total Frames: 890, Total Time: 59.7048 sec
•Average Framerate: 15.01
•Max. Framerate: 40.47 (Frame: 827)
•Min. Framerate: 3.65 (Frame: 6)

6850 1GB GDDR5

Options: Resolution: 1360 x 768; DirectX: DirectX 10; Quality: Very High; Antialiasing: MSAA 4X; Texture filtering: AF 16X; Advanced PhysX: Enabled; Tesselation: Not supported; DOF: Not supported

•Total Frames: 933, Total Time: 59.52561 sec
•Average Framerate: 15.77
•Max. Framerate: 40.49 (Frame: 13)
•Min. Framerate: 1.81 (Frame: 6)

2. Sleeping Dogs:

4870:



6850



Kinda disappointed really.

On the other side, running Saints Row The Third was super slow at Ultra settings and smooth with the 6850.

I think Sleeping Dogs and Metro 2033 benches might be capped because of the CPU, not sure. Will be testing out on the Core i5 (Sandy bridge) soon.

[brandonwh64]

Metro 2033 was mainly a game for nvidia cards to run cause of the advanced physx that it pushes

[crazyeyesreaper]

actually PhysX does fuck all in Metro 2033

and those frame rates seem really off

[Absolution]

The only solace Im getting right now is that its DX11 and also that Im using somewhat less power.

I think Ill go for a 7850 if performance doesnt improve with the Intel system.

[brandonwh64]

Originally Posted by Absolution

The only solace Im getting right now is that its DX11 and also that Im using somewhat less power.

I think Ill got for a 7850 if performance doesnt improve with the Intel system.

You would need a Nvidia card to get somewhat better frames in 2033. I have two 6950's 2GB unlocked in Xfire and still get mediocre frame rates.

[crazyeyesreaper]

yea somethings up with your rig from what i can see ppl with similar GPUs are getting about 5-6fps more than you in SLeeping dogs then again you shouldnt be running extreme mode anyway since you wont have enough Vram for it to begin with since extreme mode forces SSAA drop AA to either Normal or High game will run a hell of a lot better

screw up #1 with Metro is using 4xAA

as for you brandon again turn off AA turn off Depth of Field which in Metro 2033 is a Direct Compute filter, it looks like shit and cuts performance in half lol

[Absolution]

Originally Posted by crazyeyesreaper

actually PhysX does fuck all in Metro 2033

and those frame rates seem really off

I tried again with PhysX off:

DX10 - 6850

•Total Frames: 1918, Total Time: 59.49798 sec
•Average Framerate: 32.34
•Max. Framerate: 82.90 (Frame: 1833)
•Min. Framerate: 4.02 (Frame: 6)

DX11 - 6850

•Total Frames: 1840, Total Time: 59.50637 sec
•Average Framerate: 31.02
•Max. Framerate: 82.33 (Frame: 1646)
•Min. Framerate: 4.16 (Frame: 6)

I guess it does. Sleeping dogs still is surprising though, only 7fps increase? :S

[crazyeyesreaper]

ive run Physx on High on Metro 2033 the entire time i played it frame rate was never affected for me then again your on an AMD CPU a first gen Phenom I so yea 9/10 your cpu = giant bottleneck

[brandonwh64]

The first gen Phenom's were not the best of CPU's

[crazyeyesreaper]

his cpu is the issue here at such a low resolution the GPUs should be doing far better the only hang up is the CPU being slow as molasses

with Andantechs bench to go with 1680x1050 nearly double the OPs resolution so CPU bottleneck is lesser here.

Far Cry 2 Medium Settings
AMD 9850 -39fps
Intel 2500k - 79fps

Left 4 Dead 2 Max Settings
AMD 9850 -92fps
Intel 2500k - 142fps

Crysis Warhead Mainstream quality Physics on Enthusiast
AMD 9850 -61fps
Intel 2500k - 91fps

and thats just averages the Minimum FPS is going to be much much lower.

[brandonwh64]

Yea and I like his motherboard, it supports all AM3 CPU's up to Phenom II X6 1100T 6 core! That would be a good upgrade

[3870x2]

Originally Posted by brandonwh64

The first gen Phenom's were not the best of CPU's

And this is putting it very nicely.

To tell you the truth, the 6850 is not supposed to be terribly faster than the 4870.

The 6850 was slower than the 5850, the 6xxx series overall weren't really upgrades.

[Absolution]

Is there anyway to run the Crysis benchmark. I remember a long time ago there were batch files present for CPU and GPU configs. I got the steam version of Crysis wars and cant find them anymore -_-

Non of those programs (like HOC's Crysis Benchmark tool and other variations work). Is there any console command possible? I do see some benchmark CPU/GPU config files.

Six core Phenom II would be nice, but the main problem Im facing right now are the real expensive and rare DDR2 memory sticks. (Also Phenoms are hard to find here). With the new setup, I plan to get 16GB right away, for that price, I could probably get 2-4GB more with DDR2.

[brandonwh64]

Were do you live?

[crazyeyesreaper]

heres the kicker 3870x2 in Metro 2033 at his resolution the 6850 should be slightly faster than the 5850

and since the 5770 = 4870 well the numbers dont really lie

if turn 4xAA off stick with post process AA instead aka AAA or w.e his FPS should be far higher than what his 4870 is pulling in if the OP is still trying to force 4xAA then that is why 4xAA was possible on dual card configs of the era a singly 6850 aint gonna cut it either

Metro 2033 isnt as CPU dependent since they actually coded well where as Sleeping dogs performane WILL be impacted

[Absolution]

Originally Posted by 3870x2

And this is putting it very nicely.

To tell you the truth, the 6850 is not supposed to be terribly fast than the 4870.

The 6850 was slower than the 5850, the 6xxx series overall weren't really upgrades.

Yeah I just noticed that when looking up the 4870 and 6850 on the Passmark benchmark site.



Was kinda surprised to see a 5850 along with a 6850...

My score is 300 marks above the Radeon 4870, but then again I wasnt able to run the 1680 and 1920 tests at the intended resolutions (there was a penalty automatically taken in consideration).

200 marks less than a standard 6850.

[Absolution]

Originally Posted by brandonwh64

Were do you live?

United Arab Emirates.

[crazyeyesreaper]

passmark is garbage

according to there wonderful testing

a GTX 580 is faster than a 690 even tho the 690 is 2x 680s and single 680 sits at the very top

GTX 470 is faster than a 6970 when in actual gaming the reverse is true to the tune of 15-20%

[brandonwh64]

Cheapest one I could find

http://www.ebay.com/itm/AMD-PHENOM-I...item337ef3764a

[ThE_MaD_ShOt]

When I went from cf'd 4870's to Cf'd 6850's I didn't see to much of a boost. But the rig drinks a lot less power now. And you have the benefit of Dx11 also.

[Tonim89]

Save some money in the next months and upgrade your whole platform. An i3 + 2x 4GB 1333 MHz + your 6850 should give you some decent framerates at max settings but without filters.

[OneMoar]

I get about 35-45 in the metro benchmark at 1600x900 sounds about right

[crazyeyesreaper]

key word 1600x900 to 1366x768

1366x768 1049088
1600x900 1440000

nearly 40% more pixels drop your res down to 1366 x 768 then cut off 10% give or take that will tell us what he should be getting

[OneMoar]

Originally Posted by crazyeyesreaper

key word 1600x900 to 1366x768

1366x768 1049088
1600x900 1440000

nearly 40% more pixels drop your res down to 1366 x 768 then cut off 10% give or take that will tell us what he should be getting

this panel doesn't go that low but I have a 6870 he has a 6850 so that should compensate for the difference in pixels either way lol
with his cpu and being that its DDR2 those frame-rates don't surprise me at all

[Absolution]

Im actually considering getting a Phenom II X6 after I found this image in my computer:



Source: http://www.guru3d.com/articles_pages...ew_apu,15.html

The X6 series is on par performance wise with the FX 8150 (http://www.anandtech.com/bench/Product/203?vs=434) and better than the trinity?? I think Ill just for a DDR2 + Phenom II X6 upgrade then, instead of switching the whole system. On stock speeds, the X6 1100T is somewhat similar to the i5 2500. A little far back actually.

So Phenom II X6 + DDR2 or i5 DDR3?

(Also which Phenom is the best and fastest, its the X6 1100T right? )