I5 3570k E1 and Gigabyte Z77X-UD3H

[tongey54]

Use anything up to 1.35V, these CPUs differ so much on how much voltage they need. Just keep it under 85C and you're fine.

[EarthDog]

Originally Posted by tongey54

Use anything up to 1.4V, these CPUs differ so much on how much voltage they need. Just keep it under 90C and you're fine.

Fixed... grow a pair.

Being more serious, 90C stress testing is just fine. TJmax is 105C IIRC. Temps outside of that will be at least 10C less.

[tongey54]

Well, whatever you're comfortable with

[EarthDog]

Originally Posted by tongey54

Well, whatever you're comfortable with

Headroom and not some ultra conservative settings is what Im comfortable with.

[cadaveca]

Originally Posted by EarthDog

Headroom and not some ultra conservative settings is what Im comfortable with.

To me, this is like saying, "I got a gun and no real target, should I fire it anyway? Oh look...a bird!"

Or " I got 600 HP, should I floor it at every red light? YESSSSS!!!"


I haven't found any real benefit to overclocking unless crunching, or rendering, period. 3-4 FPS doesn't make or break my game fun, no does overclocking speed up my desktop computing. Hardware so greatly surpasses software needs.

"Green computing".

Instead of OC, I have 3960X.




It'll do 5.6 GHz, too. daily speed...STOCK.

[brandonwh64]

Originally Posted by cadaveca

To me, this is like saying, "I got a gun and no real target, should I fire it anyway? Oh look...a bird!"

Or " I got 600 HP, should I floor it at every red light? YESSSSS!!!"


I haven't found any real benefit to overclocking unless crunching, or rendering, period. 3-4 FPS doesn't make or break my game fun, no does overclocking speed up my desktop computing. Hardware so greatly surpasses software needs.

"Green computing".

Instead of OC, I have 3960X.




It'll do 5.6 GHz, too. daily speed...STOCK.

Also to go along with your post dave is that you had mentioned with voltages that high that sb/ib degrade VERY fast if used more than short periods at a time.

[cadaveca]

Originally Posted by brandonwh64

Also to go along with your post dave is that you had mentioned with voltages that high that sb/ib degrade VERY fast if used more than short periods at a time.

SB seems to degrade, yep, but it's not CPU voltage, really, seem to be IMC/VTT from what I can tell, hence my "conservative" take now with IVB(which seems to need neither...like they fixed something...go figure.:0).


IVB degredation..too early to tell yet, CPUs haven't been here a year.

[EarthDog]

To each their own as was said above.

I havent had a SB (played with more of these than most have seen in a catalog) or IB degrade at 1.4v, neither has anyone at OCF that I know of. I beat on mine at 1.6v for several benching sessions as well. Who knows what will happen in 6 months though with that one. I would NEVER tell anyone not on the benching team to use more than 1.4v.

[cadaveca]

Originally Posted by EarthDog

To each their own as was said above.

I havent had a SB or IB degrade at 1.4v, neither has anyone at OCF that I know of.

I have. Personally. 85C-90C load temps though, so whatever. And the Intel Tuning Plan warranty makes it no big deal at all.

That's my take..Buy the cheap Intel Tuning Plan warranty, clock the crap out of it, push whatever you want...

If you don't, playing a bit conservative can save some cash...and many here simply cannot afford to replace stuff.

SB...you needed VCCSA for memory clocking, and VTT for BCLK, for sure. IVB..I can't say that is still true.

[EarthDog]

.and many here simply cannot afford to replace stuff.

Good point... they shouldnt be overclocking in the first place really as any overclocking past turbo will shorten the lifespan of a CPU.. by how much, nobody knows.

[tongey54]

Agreed, I'd rather have a conservative overclock, no need to encounter unnecessary issues.

[cadaveca]

Originally Posted by EarthDog

Good point... they shouldnt be overclocking in the first place really as any overclocking past turbo will shorten the lifespan of a CPU.. by how much, nobody knows.

I dunno.. I don't think they are that fragile.

Fact of the matter is, Intel put it very simply...Max TDP. Most CPUs are under that. Push to TDP(most CPUs 3770k/3570k do 4.5-4.6 GHz there), and you're fine, as long as voltage is within certain limits. Most CPUs will be @ about 50W stock. I do think they are binned that way, even, although I have yet to confirm that.


But remember I mentioned it's all about power consumption before.


PLL overvoltage and all that should not be needed, IMHO, unless benching, and then that's a completely different ball game.

And I will never promote competitive benchmarking until the OEMs stop posting results by staff, and the "secrets" come out. I then expect skill to become what separates the good from the OK. Right now it's impossible for that to happen. I'd rather see collaboration than competition, anyway, so whatever.

[brandonwh64]

I agree with many comments here. If you purchased the tuner plan and have the time to RMA then yea run those 5Ghz clocks 24/7 like some do but people that cannot afford to do these kinds of things tend to stay in a safe zone when it comes to overclocking. My chip is sitting 4.5ghz 1.32V and clocks above this have shown to need more volts that what I want to push. I know for a fact it will do 5.2ghz 1.45V cause the previous owner SS'ed me when I purchased it is safe to say that it will never see that speed/voltage again by me atleast

[EarthDog]

LOL, dave, benchers/hwbot really shoved that stick up your arse deep for you to seemingly mention that whenever you have a chance! I dont disagree however, but one thing to note, there is a PRO league where sponsored people 'play' versus unsponsored. Not sure if you checked it out in a couple years.

[cadaveca]

Originally Posted by EarthDog

LOL, dave, benchers/hwbot really shoved that stick up your arse deep for you to seemingly mention that whenever you have a chance! I dont disagree however, but one thing to note, there is a PRO league where sponsored people 'play' versus unsponsored. Not sure if you checked it out in a couple years.

Well, you know, I've been doing this OC thing since it first began, really. I sent my old BP6 boards and CPUs off to a fellow member @ XS many moons ago.

Sharing of information is what built the community, globally, to what it is today. On a daily basis, I talk to people in the Middle East, UK, Taiwan, Europe, everywhere. And what brought us together, precisely, is sharing info.

In tech, keeping secrets, well, it's the norm. I just wish it wasn't. It's greed that motivates that anyway. How can I NOT say something? Just my character.

[amp281]

Decided for a superpi 1m suicide run 1.4v 4.6ghz. It was stable long enough for me to screenshot. BSOD in intel burn test standard after 10 seconds.




Cooling isn't the problem. The processor just doesn't like voltage/high clocks.

[phoen]

Originally Posted by amp281

Decided for a superpi 1m suicide run 1.4v 4.6ghz. It was stable long enough for me to screenshot. BSOD in intel burn test standard after 10 seconds.

http://i.imgur.com/3m0xAFS.png


Cooling isn't the problem. The processor just doesn't like voltage/high clocks.

mine like



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[amp281]

Originally Posted by phoen

mine like

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How many volts? What cooling?

[phoen]

Originally Posted by amp281

How many volts? What cooling?

Cooling is in my sig, 1.39 voltage.

[amp281]

Going to try reducing my load line calibration since I don't think leaving it on extreme is safe for long term from my readings.
This means I have to run more core volt.

Is it a good idea to use offset at all? I haven't had very good results using offset as opposed to just using core volt. It seems that the more + offset I run the lower the cpu-z load voltage which is kind of weird.

Edit: from my experimenting, leaving core voltage at "normal" allows the voltage to go down at idle and 1.2v at load. Then I just need to find a good +offset for the load @ 4.2ghz!

Edit2: I was able to change my load line calibration to standard using this method. It now loads 5 * C cooler, awesome! Load temp at 4.2 ghz is only 75*C!