If a guy wanted to game with a AMD cpu ...

Altered · Jan 25, 2013, 04:44 AM

OK sounds almost like I am asking for a spanking. But I wanted to know if I wanted to build a budget gaming rig using my old HD4870, case, psu etc., what AMD chip would I look at for the better bang for the buck? I want it to play BF3 and be somewhat current hardware. I haven't been in the shopping game for a while and really didn't know the whole better mouse trap deal at this time. I wanted to keep the chip around $150.00 but I could go a little more if it was a noticeable difference.

Thanks

cdawall · Jan 25, 2013, 04:50 AM

AMD FX-8320 Vishera 3.5GHz (4.0GHz Turbo) Socket A...

Don't fret gaming on an AMD chip they do the job just fine and actually do better than Intel in certain games. Metro 2033 has the 8350 beating out the 3820/3570K/3770K. Other games that are heavily threaded show the same. Now Skyrim and other poorly coded/single threaded games are a different story.

HD64G · Jan 25, 2013, 04:53 AM

FX-6300. And look the reviewers' comments.

Altered · Jan 25, 2013, 04:57 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by cdawall

AMD FX-8320 Vishera 3.5GHz (4.0GHz Turbo) Socket A...

Don't fret gaming on an AMD chip they do the job just fine and actually do better than Intel in certain games. Metro 2033 has the 8350 beating out the 3820/3570K/3770K. Other games that are heavily threaded show the same. Now Skyrim and other poorly coded/single threaded games are a different story.

That is what I was looking at. I just wanted to be sure I was not missing something. Thanks for confirming. Any suggestions on a inexpensive motherboard?

Just needs the basics room for one video card and 2 slots to hold 8GB of ram.

cdawall · Jan 25, 2013, 05:05 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Altered

That is what I was looking at. I just wanted to be sure I was not missing something. Thanks for confirming. Any suggestions on a inexpensive motherboard?

Just needs the basics room for one video card and 2 slots to hold 8GB of ram.

Take your pick

ASRock 970 EXTREME3 AM3+ AMD 970 SATA 6Gb/s USB 3....

ASRock 970 PRO3 AM3+ AMD 970 SATA 6Gb/s USB 3.0 AT...

Good little bang for you buck boards.

Altered · Jan 25, 2013, 05:10 AM

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Originally Posted by HD64G

FX-6300. And look the reviewers' comments.

Very interesting. I might look into this as a option. My brothers Q6600 board died (my old machine) and I wanted to get him up and running but I am low on funds. I need and want to make it a worth while change. Plus if I can get it near equal to my current machine I will probably give him mine and play with the new one. Hence the AMD thing I miss having a AMD machine its been a long time.

james888 · Jan 25, 2013, 05:18 AM

www.cpuboss.com

Great for comparing cpu's.

Altered · Jan 25, 2013, 05:24 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by cdawall

Take your pick

ASRock 970 EXTREME3 AM3+ AMD 970 SATA 6Gb/s USB 3....

ASRock 970 PRO3 AM3+ AMD 970 SATA 6Gb/s USB 3.0 AT...

Good little bang for you buck boards.

Oh those look very nice. Price and the fact someone figured out how to color coordinate.

And the Free G.SKILL 8GB memory is perfect since he was still on DDR2!

AMD FX-8320 Vishera 125W Eight-Core $179.99
ASRock 970 EXTREME3 $84.99
or
AMD FX-6300 Vishera 95W Six-Core $139.99
ASRock 970 EXTREME3 $84.99

So for about $40.00 I can get the 2 more cores. Will I regret it if I save the $40.00? It is just to play games, email, and internet search.

Altered · Jan 25, 2013, 05:30 AM

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Originally Posted by james888

www.cpuboss.com

Great for comparing cpu's.

Excellent info. I knew of several places I use to compare but never knew of this one.
Thanks

cdawall · Jan 25, 2013, 05:37 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Altered

Oh those look very nice. Price and the fact someone figured out how to color coordinate.

And the Free G.SKILL 8GB memory is perfect since he was still on DDR2!

AMD FX-8320 Vishera 125W Eight-Core $179.99
ASRock 970 EXTREME3 $84.99
or
AMD FX-6300 Vishera 95W Six-Core $139.99
ASRock 970 EXTREME3 $84.99

So for about $40.00 I can get the 2 more cores. Will I regret it if I save the $40.00? It is just to play games, email, and internet search.

For longevity I say the $40 is worth it. If you are going to get an FX 6300 may as well find an old thuban chip they run around the same price and perform better.

HD64G · Jan 25, 2013, 05:42 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by cdawall

For longevity I say the $40 is worth it. If you are going to get an FX 6300 may as well find an old thuban chip they run around the same price and perform better.

Not in games... PD is better for sure in games than any previous AMD CPU.

james888 · Jan 25, 2013, 05:47 AM

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Originally Posted by HD64G

Not in games... PD is better for sure in games than any previous AMD CPU.

Confirmed with cpuboss.
http://cpuboss.com/cpus/AMD-Phenom-I...vs-AMD-FX-6300

Altered · Jan 25, 2013, 05:52 AM

Well I can eat $40 since I am getting him some ram in the deal that balances the difference if I had to buy it too. Besides I am going to keep it and give him my current 2500K cpu, motherboard combo. He can have the free memory and he gets to keep the HD4870. He can upgrade the video card if he wants better. He doesn't know I am going to do this so he should enjoy a good trade.

Altered · Jan 25, 2013, 06:01 AM

Oh I forgot to ask what about cooling. Can the stock cooler cut it or should I get an aftermarket? I do want to play with over clocking and I read the COOLER MASTER Hyper 212 EVO is a inexpensive good cooler. Any ideas on a better priced one that performs well. I do not plan to go for any records it should game fine as is but I might want to make a few runs on Futurmark etc.

PS I have everything ready to checkout to purchase right now.

Ghost · Jan 25, 2013, 06:53 AM

For gaming on limited budget get at least i3 3220. FX is relatively no good for gaming.

de.das.dude · Jan 25, 2013, 07:07 AM

if you just want to game the FX 4350 is enough. 8150 is overkill

cdawall · Jan 25, 2013, 07:34 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by james888

Confirmed with cpuboss.
http://cpuboss.com/cpus/AMD-Phenom-I...vs-AMD-FX-6300

And you figured that out based off of two actually multi threaded benchmarks good job!

What a wonderful site it listed cinebench and 3dmark11 physx scores! That describes every single game known to man

I bet the even tested with the exact same setup every time!

I will stand by what I said. The Thuban based X6 WILL be better in the vast majority of current games.

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Originally Posted by Ghost

For gaming on limited budget get at least i3 3220. FX is relatively no good for gaming.

GTFO you have no idea WTF you are talking about.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Altered

Oh I forgot to ask what about cooling. Can the stock cooler cut it or should I get an aftermarket? I do want to play with over clocking and I read the COOLER MASTER Hyper 212 EVO is a inexpensive good cooler. Any ideas on a better priced one that performs well. I do not plan to go for any records it should game fine as is but I might want to make a few runs on Futurmark etc.

PS I have everything ready to checkout to purchase right now.

Find an 8350 that ships with the AIO water cooler (similar to an H70/H80)

de.das.dude · Jan 25, 2013, 07:46 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ghost

for gaming on limited budget get at least i3 3220. Fx is relatively no good for gaming.

gtfo. intel is only better than AMD in single threaded applications. and this is 2013, not the 90s.

an analogy would be saying that "i am a faster runner than a cyclist". well no shit, the cyclist doesnt need to run faster as he will beat any runner on his cycle.

plus the new FX series is beautiful.

Dent1 · Jan 25, 2013, 07:51 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Altered

OK sounds almost like I am asking for a spanking. But I wanted to know if I wanted to build a budget gaming rig using my old HD4870,case, psu etc., what AMD chip would I look at for the better bang for the buck? I want it to play BF3 and be somewhat current hardware. I haven't been in the shopping game for a while and really didn't know the whole better mouse trap deal at this time. I wanted to keep the chip around $150.00 but I could go a little more if it was a noticeable difference.

Thanks

The 4870 would not play BF3, even at low / low / low detail and at a low resolution the frame rate would be appalling.

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Originally Posted by Ghost

For gaming on limited budget get at least i3 3220. FX is relatively no good for gaming.

Actually the I3 Ivy Bridge performs about the same as the FX Piledriver in gaming.

RCoon · Jan 25, 2013, 07:55 AM

Nothing wrong with AMD CPU's for gaming. I can still get 200fps max in a lot of games. Intel just gets more.
I have used a Phenom II x6 1055t, FX 6200, FX 6300, FX 8120, and obviously my current 8350.
I think i was most impressed with my 6200, as it had 4.7ghz on the core and performed admirably. Never got chance to OC the 6300, but it has to be better in every case.
Obviously if you can go for the highest in the set, but despite being on a budget, I think you'll be impressed with 6300 performance. Also a lot of the performance will be coming from the GPU too.

Ghost · Jan 25, 2013, 07:56 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dent1

Actually the I3 Ivy Bridge performs about the same as the FX Piledriver in gaming.

About the same as FX-8350.

http://www.behardware.com/articles/8...-amd-back.html

It's been said many time before and can be repeated again. FX is not for gaming. It's for rendering/archiving/encoding, etc. Not for 24/7 use though because of power consumption.

Frick · Jan 25, 2013, 07:58 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dent1

The 4870 would not play BF3, even at low / low / low detail and at a low resolution the frame rate would be appalling.

I'm not so sure about that. I played the beta a lot on a hd5750 on 1280 x 1024 and it played beautifully with the settings on medium.

Dent1 · Jan 25, 2013, 07:58 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ghost

About the same as FX-8350.

Nope, the FX 6300 is often cheaper than the Ivy Bridge I3 and performs about the same in gaming whilst mopping the floor with it in almost everything else.

Open your eyes.

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Originally Posted by Frick

I'm not so sure about that. I played the beta a lot on a hd5750 on 1280 x 1024 and it played beautifully with the settings on medium.

Single player maybe. Online, 64 players, definitely not.

RCoon · Jan 25, 2013, 08:00 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ghost

About the same as FX-8350.

http://www.hardware.fr/medias/photos...IMG0039507.png

http://www.hardware.fr/medias/photos...IMG0039505.png

http://www.behardware.com/articles/8...-amd-back.html

It's been said many time before and can be repeated again. FX is not for gaming. It's for rendering/archiving/encoding, etc. Not for 24/7 use though because of power consumption.

Sorry what?!

http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/...ks,3314-6.html

Frick · Jan 25, 2013, 08:03 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dent1

Single player maybe. Online, 64 players, definitely not.

So i was imagining things when i played caspiam border with 64 players? Or did the performance drop when the game hit retail?

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Altered Join Date: May 2008 Location: Texas Posts: 791 (0.43/day) Thanks: 250 Thanked 126 Times in 116 Posts System Specs	Well I can eat $40 since I am getting him some ram in the deal that balances the difference if I had to buy it too. Besides I am going to keep it and give him my current 2500K cpu, motherboard combo. He can have the free memory and he gets to keep the HD4870. He can upgrade the video card if he wants better. He doesn't know I am going to do this so he should enjoy a good trade. __________________ CPU-Z validation sig pics temporarily blocked

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Altered Join Date: May 2008 Location: Texas Posts: 791 (0.43/day) Thanks: 250 Thanked 126 Times in 116 Posts System Specs	Oh I forgot to ask what about cooling. Can the stock cooler cut it or should I get an aftermarket? I do want to play with over clocking and I read the COOLER MASTER Hyper 212 EVO is a inexpensive good cooler. Any ideas on a better priced one that performs well. I do not plan to go for any records it should game fine as is but I might want to make a few runs on Futurmark etc. PS I have everything ready to checkout to purchase right now. __________________ CPU-Z validation sig pics temporarily blocked

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