a program generate more heat than prime95

qwo · Nov 20, 2006, 04:31 AM

i found a program called cpuburn, it generate more heat than prime95 testing using same priority on my athlon3800+ 90nm, it can also detect any errors like prime95

is there any other program that can make more heat than this?

http://pages.sbcglobal.net/redelm/

EDIT:just found out s&m is another program makes more heat than cpuburn

AthlonX2 · Nov 20, 2006, 04:32 AM

why are you trying to generate more heat?

ktr · Nov 20, 2006, 04:36 AM

its to "burn in" your cpu so that you can cure your thermal compound...

also the test flaws on your unit.

great find btw! this will come in handy.

Thermopylae_480 · Nov 20, 2006, 04:37 AM

If it survives the excess heat generated, than you know it will be stable under normal operating conditions. I would think Prime95 would suffice, but if you want to go another step, for absolute certainty, than why not?

AthlonX2 · Nov 20, 2006, 04:52 AM

thanks for the info,how many thermal cycles does it take for arctic silver 5 to set? and how high do temps have to get because i ran this program and my temp arent going over 40c

Thermopylae_480 · Nov 20, 2006, 05:06 AM

Hmm, couldn't get mine above 44~C. Am I doing something wrong? Of course, I just installed an Arctic Freezer 7. I haven't gotten a chance to see how hot it'll get with it on there using other programs.

AthlonX2 · Nov 20, 2006, 05:09 AM

i just ran sciencemark and that seems to generate more heat than this cpuburn program,but im also on water cooling

MrSeanKon · Nov 20, 2006, 07:04 AM

Try S&M (long FPU test 100% CPU utilization) cos you have AMD.

But this is a stability program not a burn-in tool.

GIGGLA · Nov 20, 2006, 04:44 PM

Without a doubt the S&M program pushes my cpu hotter than any other application(program) that I have used. It has a temperature monitoring screen you will want to keep an eye on this. Some have mentioned that there PWM IC also gets 10 celcius hotter than anything before. I prefer to use this program when the room temperature is rather cool. I have read about cpu-burn getting cpu's quite hot also. By the way HI! MrSeanKon I am a big fan of your guides! I thank you for the oc bible and guidemania! I like to read your guides and posts you are a funny guy

Sasqui · Nov 20, 2006, 05:13 PM

Too bad SuperPi can run continuously... at 32M, it's about a 45 min run (I think - never timed it), but I CAN tell you this:

Prime95 + SuperPi running continuously... System pushed to it's limit, CPU at 100% (both cores). Temps around 60c.

SuperPi stopped after about 5 min with an error.
Prime95 kept running fine.

Anyway - good find, I'll have to give that a spin once my systems/cases are swapped and running.

D_o_S · Nov 20, 2006, 05:43 PM

CPUBurn is known to produce the most heat...

For error-detection/stability testing, I prefer Prime95 though

_33 · Nov 20, 2006, 05:51 PM

Toast will do a good job.

Check out this link

Alec§taar · Nov 20, 2006, 06:23 PM

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Originally Posted by AthlonX2

i just ran sciencemark and that seems to generate more heat than this cpuburn program,but im also on water cooling

Exactly... that is exactly what I thought of ScienceMark 2.0 as, as a bonus no less (above & beyond it being a benchmark solely): It is a GOOD "stability-test"...

APK

AthlonX2 · Nov 20, 2006, 07:34 PM

is there anyway to make sciencemark loop all the tests continuiously for like 5 or 6 hours?

Alec§taar · Nov 20, 2006, 07:41 PM

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Originally Posted by AthlonX2

is there anyway to make sciencemark loop all the tests continuiously for like 5 or 6 hours?

Not sure, because I've NEVER tried that myself, & only ran its "std. defaults"...

BUT, there are options in it, & this is where I believe you CAN do what you're after... making it run, LONGER!

APK

qwo · Nov 21, 2006, 02:48 AM

thanks

s&m is hotter than cpuburn!

but it's support page is in russian only

does it have error check? does it count all errors?

Steevo · Nov 21, 2006, 02:50 AM

The downside to using a single looping execution code is that it will not test the full execution set of a processor. It is a small program that sits in L1 cache and recycles itself.

Alec§taar · Nov 21, 2006, 02:55 AM

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Originally Posted by qwo

thanks

s&m is hotter than cpuburn!

but it's support page is in russian only

does it have error check? does it count all errors?

This is, imo only, it's WEAKEST area - because I have had it either just "hang" or plain-jane disappear offscreen IF I "pushed too hard" on my O/C's?

It lacks GOOD/proper CUSTOM error-handling in its procedures/functions/subroutines, quite possibly... above & beyond what's written into the compiler used, which is structured error handling iirc. The latter covers a LOT, but not all things, & this is where writing your OWN err-handlers help a LOT - especially IF you have to debug it!

I say this, because when a program's written right, it should NEVER just 'disappear offscreen' but instead, should warn the user, & then do a PROPER 'cleanup & shutdown'...

Above all: DON'T GET ME WRONG HERE!

This doesn't make it a "BAD" program @ all, just 'incomplete'... many coders write up stuff w/ out PROPER err-handlers (like On Error GoTo stuff in VB, or Try-Catch-Except/Finally in Delphi, or Try in VB.NET etc.)... & add them later, as they learn to code better or rather, more 'properly'...

APK

P.S.=> Me? I'd NEVER put down Russian coders - they produce EXCELLENT work 9/10 times of wares I have used from those folks... especially compiler "addons" like Delphi's RxTools! apk

MrSeanKon · Nov 27, 2006, 07:00 AM

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Originally Posted by qwo

s&m is hotter than cpuburn!

I mentioned this for my AMD systems (for all).[/QUOTE]

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Originally Posted by qwo

does it have error check?

Well the most sensitive test it is L1,L2 cache for five A64 systems (one 754 and four 939) but for other systems things may differ.

Good thread for stability click here at Ocforums

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Originally Posted by D_o_S

For error-detection/stability testing, I prefer Prime95 though

My friend SoF (it has AMD subzero system) encountered problems using Prime95.
OK this is a personal view I also avoid Prime95 for testing and I check them with other programs e.g. OCCT.

Regards,
MrQuoteKon

Steevo · Nov 28, 2006, 03:43 AM

I have found a overnight run of Folding @ Home is the easiest way to tell is the system is performing properly. It excercises the CPU and memory systems in the same way a regular program would, just at higher demand. And with the CPU handling the disk data through controller offloading in most cases this is a good thing for continued data integrity and peace of mind IMHO.

MrSeanKon · Nov 28, 2006, 12:24 PM

Many people Steevo (I don't) run folding programs to test the stability of their systems.
Usually for 24-48 hours.

GIGGLA · Nov 29, 2006, 05:19 PM

I tell you of S&M heat cpu most of anything. However I do not really recommend to use S&M because it is quite hard on the system, and if you must use, use only in very cool room temperature. I very rarely use this program anymore because of extreme heat it puts on electrical system. A user reported PWM chip at 65 celcius when max other programs was 55 celcius. Note that I put my finger in a cup of water at 49 celcius(120 degree farenheit) and I can hold my finger in the cup for infinity. When the cup of water is 50 celcius(122 degree farenheit) I can only hold my finger in the cup for 22 seconds then burn my finger. So I tell you this safety advice

Alcpone · Nov 29, 2006, 05:28 PM

If I use prime95 by itself it only stress my cpu 50%, if I run stresscpu also it push's both cores to the max!

MrSeanKon · Dec 1, 2006, 07:56 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by GIGGLA

However I do not really recommend to use S&M because it is quite hard on the system

LOL it is an AMD FPU killer

but you can change the utilization

for FPU test.
Personally I run it for L1, L2 cache test.

aximbigfan · Dec 1, 2006, 04:21 PM

personally, i run prime95, windows meida player, and superpi on my system at the same time to get my temps up..

chris

Nov 20, 2006, 04:31 AM	#1
qwo Join Date: Aug 2006 Posts: 48 (0.02/day) Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	a program generate more heat than prime95 i found a program called cpuburn, it generate more heat than prime95 testing using same priority on my athlon3800+ 90nm, it can also detect any errors like prime95 is there any other program that can make more heat than this? http://pages.sbcglobal.net/redelm/ EDIT:just found out s&m is another program makes more heat than cpuburn Last edited by qwo; Nov 21, 2006 at 02:48 AM.

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AthlonX2 Better Than You Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Toledo,Ohio Posts: 5,449 (2.24/day) Thanks: 729 Thanked 1,572 Times in 994 Posts System Specs	why are you trying to generate more heat?

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Thermopylae_480 Join Date: May 2005 Location: Little Rock Arkansas, United States Posts: 2,656 (0.91/day) Thanks: 40 Thanked 417 Times in 287 Posts System Specs	Hmm, couldn't get mine above 44~C. Am I doing something wrong? Of course, I just installed an Arctic Freezer 7. I haven't gotten a chance to see how hot it'll get with it on there using other programs. __________________ All, too, will bear in mind this sacred principle, that though the will of the majority is in all cases to prevail, that will to be rightful must be reasonable; that the minority possess their equal rights, which equal law must protect, and to violate would be oppression.

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AthlonX2 Better Than You Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Toledo,Ohio Posts: 5,449 (2.24/day) Thanks: 729 Thanked 1,572 Times in 994 Posts System Specs	i just ran sciencemark and that seems to generate more heat than this cpuburn program,but im also on water cooling

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MrSeanKon Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Athens in love with Anna :) Posts: 253 (0.11/day) Thanks: 28 Thanked 65 Times in 24 Posts	Try S&M (long FPU test 100% CPU utilization) cos you have AMD. But this is a stability program not a burn-in tool.

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qwo Join Date: Aug 2006 Posts: 48 (0.02/day) Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	thanks s&m is hotter than cpuburn! but it's support page is in russian only does it have error check? does it count all errors?

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Steevo Eligible for custom title Join Date: Nov 2005 Posts: 5,567 (2.02/day) Thanks: 238 Thanked 979 Times in 729 Posts System Specs	I have found a overnight run of Folding @ Home is the easiest way to tell is the system is performing properly. It excercises the CPU and memory systems in the same way a regular program would, just at higher demand. And with the CPU handling the disk data through controller offloading in most cases this is a good thing for continued data integrity and peace of mind IMHO. __________________ “it would have been perfect....its got trains and the line"tech your kids not to do what iv done"(or similar) because i had obviously done something to warrent 2 e-thugs to come 4000miles out of their way and kill me.” -Solaris17 “yeah i failed. i noticed the "coming soon" part after i posted.” -Mussels “people are just stupid.” -W1zzard Yes I am evil, yes you can have some.

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MrSeanKon Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Athens in love with Anna :) Posts: 253 (0.11/day) Thanks: 28 Thanked 65 Times in 24 Posts	Many people Steevo (I don't) run folding programs to test the stability of their systems. Usually for 24-48 hours.

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GIGGLA Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 142 (0.05/day) Thanks: 5 Thanked 14 Times in 12 Posts System Specs	I tell you of S&M heat cpu most of anything. However I do not really recommend to use S&M because it is quite hard on the system, and if you must use, use only in very cool room temperature. I very rarely use this program anymore because of extreme heat it puts on electrical system. A user reported PWM chip at 65 celcius when max other programs was 55 celcius. Note that I put my finger in a cup of water at 49 celcius(120 degree farenheit) and I can hold my finger in the cup for infinity. When the cup of water is 50 celcius(122 degree farenheit) I can only hold my finger in the cup for 22 seconds then burn my finger. So I tell you this safety advice

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