Geforce 6600gt

[stupidbiznitch9]

Is this a decent card????
it has 256mb of mem and is in PCI-e

[AthlonX2]

depends what you compare it to? and what games you want to play

[stupidbiznitch9]

if i were to buy a new one, should i go with a x1600pro or a 7600?

[AthlonX2]

GS or GT? either way the 7600 pwns

[stupidbiznitch9]

the GS is in the same price range......

[stupidbiznitch9]

or would a x850pro be the best....

[AthlonX2]

for the x850 it depends on the games you play....if you play games that require PS3 and VS3 then dont get it

[AshenSugar]

i havent seen any games that requier ps3 yet, and HDR on the 6600/6800 cards sucks, kills performance.

but honestly if its pci-e and u need ps3 support x1300xt is a good choice its a renamed x1650pro(12 pipes and such) and runs like 80bucks

[AthlonX2]

Splinter Cell requires PS3

[stevorob]

The x1300 is not a good card...

And 1300's are getting renamed to 1550, not 1650

[DOM]

Originally Posted by stevorob

The x1300 is not a good card...

And 1300's are getting renamed to 1550, not 1650

i think he's saying there like the 1650

cuz when are they going to start with DX10 games ?

[stevorob]

Well, I don't think we'll be seeing dx10 games for a while.

And I still don't think the x1300 comes anywhere close to the 1650 in performance. Even as bad as the 1650 is, 1300 is still way worse.

[AshenSugar]

check the tpu review of the 1300xt, its a renamed 1600pro u noob!!!!

and funny, i played splinter cell on my x800xt pe the other day.....very strange.

the x1300xt is just a renamed x1600pro, the x1300/pro are 4 pipe cards and very slow, but the XT is not

[DOM]

here you go http://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/Sapphire/X1300XT/

[DOM]

so if i get a 1950pro 512 well that last me how long ? or are there other one that well do good for less ?

[AshenSugar]

Originally Posted by W1zzard

Introduction

Together with the Radeon X1950 XTX, ATI introduced additional new cards at the same time: the X1300 XT and the X1650 XT. Today we will take a look at the X1300 XT.
This refresh introduces a new GPU into the X1300 product lineup. In the past only the RV515 GPU has been used. On the X1300 XT the RV530 is in use which was limited to the X1600 series until now. This means that the performance of the X1300 XT should be a lot closer to X1600 levels. This performance upgrade makes sense because NVIDIA has several products directly competing with the X1300 and the RV515 is slower than many of these cards.

<table border="1" class="resulttable" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="3">
<tr>
<th></th>
<td>X1300</td>
<td>X1300 Pro </td>
<td>X1300 XT </td>
<td><strong>X1300 XT OC </strong></td>
<td>X1600 Pro </td>
</tr>
<tr>
<th>Pixel Shaders</th>
<td align="right">4</td>
<td align="right">4</td>
<td align="right">12</td>
<td align="right"><strong>12</strong></td>
<td align="right">12</td>
</tr>
<tr>
<th>Vertex Pipes</th>
<td align="right">2</td>
<td align="right">2</td>
<td align="right">5</td>
<td align="right"><strong>5</strong></td>
<td align="right">5</td>
</tr>
<tr>
<th>ROPs</th>
<td align="right">4</td>
<td align="right">4</td>
<td align="right">4</td>
<td align="right"><strong>4</strong></td>
<td align="right">4</td>
</tr>
<tr>
<th>Memory Size</th>
<td align="right">128-512</td>
<td align="right">128-512</td>
<td align="right">256-512</td>
<td align="right"><strong>256</strong></td>
<td align="right">256</td>
</tr>
<tr>
<th>Memory Type </th>
<td align="right">DDR1/2</td>
<td align="right">DDR2/3</td>
<td align="right">DDR2</td>
<td align="right"><strong>DDR3</strong></td>
<td align="right">DDR3</td>
</tr>
<tr>
<th>Core Clock</th>
<td align="right">450 MHz</td>
<td align="right">600 MHz </td>
<td align="right">500 MHz </td>
<td align="right"><strong>575 MHz </strong></td>
<td align="right">500 MHz </td>
</tr>
<tr>
<th>Memory Clock</th>
<td align="right">250 MHz</td>
<td align="right">400 MHz </td>
<td align="right">400 MHz </td>
<td align="right"><strong>700 MHz </strong></td>
<td align="right">400 MHz </td>
</tr>
</table>

The card tested here is Sapphire's Overclocked Edition X1300 XT. This means that the clock speeds have been increased on both the core and the memory to bring them closer to the X1600. Also the memory type has been bumped to GDDR3.

Complete Specifications

Features

• 105 million transistors on 90nm fabrication process
• Four pixel shader processors
• Two vertex shader processors
• 128-bit 4-channel DDR/DDR2/GDDR3 memory interface
• 32-bit/1-channel, 64-bit/2-channel, and 128-bit/4-channel configurations
• Native PCI Express x16 bus interface
• AGP 8x configurations also supported with external bridge chip
• Dynamic Voltage Control

High Performance Memory Controller

• Fully associative texture, color, and Z/stencil cache designs
• Hierarchical Z-buffer with Early Z test
• Lossless Z Compression (up to 48:1)
• Fast Z-Buffer Clear
• Z/stencil xache optimized for real-time shadow rendering

Ultra-Threaded Shader Engine

• Support for Microsoft® DirectX® 9.0 Shader Model 3.0 programmable vertex and pixel shaders in hardware
• Full speed 128-bit floating point processing for all shader operations
• Up to 128 simultaneous pixel threads
• Dedicated branch execution units for high performance dynamic branching and flow control
• Dedicated texture address units for improved efficiency
• 3Dc+ texture compression
• High quality 4:1 compression for normal maps and two-channel data formats
• High quality 2:1 compression for luminance maps and single-channel data formats
• Multiple Render Target (MRT) support
• Render to vertex buffer support
• Complete feature set also supported in OpenGL® 2.0

Advanced Image Quality Features

• 64-bit floating point HDR rendering supported throughout the pipeline
• Includes support for blending and multi-sample anti-aliasing
• 32-bit integer HDR (10:10:10:2) format supported throughout the pipeline
• Includes support for blending and multi-sample anti-aliasing
• 2x/4x/6x Anti-Aliasing modes
• Multi-sample algorithm with gamma correction, programmable sparse sample patterns, and centroid sampling
• New Adaptive Anti-Aliasing feature with Performance and Quality modes
• Temporal Anti-Aliasing mode
• Lossless Color Compression (up to 6:1) at all resolutions, including widescreen HDTV resolutions
• 2x/4x/8x/16x Anisotropic Filtering modes
• Up to 128-tap texture filtering
• Adaptive algorithm with Performance and Quality options
• High resolution texture support (up to 4k x 4k)

Avivo™ Video and Display Platform

• High performance programmable video processor
• Accelerated MPEG-2, MPEG-4, DivX, WMV9, VC-1, and H.264 decoding and transcoding
• DXVA support
• De-blocking and noise reduction filtering
• Motion compensation, IDCT, DCT and color space conversion
• Vector adaptive per-pixel de-interlacing
• 3:2 pulldown (frame rate conversion)
• Seamless integration of pixel shaders with video in real time
• HDR tone mapping acceleration
• Maps any input format to 10 bit per channel output
• Flexible display support
• Dual integrated DVI transmitters (one dual-link + one single-link)
• DVI 1.0 compliant / HDMI interoperable and HDCP ready*
• Dual integrated 10 bit per channel 400 MHz DACs
• 16 bit per channel floating point HDR and 10 bit per channel DVI output
• Programmable piecewise linear gamma correction, color correction, and color space conversion (10 bits per color)
• Complete, independent color controls and video overlays for each display
• High quality pre- and post-scaling engines, with underscan support for all outputs
• Content-adaptive de-flicker filtering for interlaced displays
• Xilleon™ TV encoder for high quality analog output
• YPrPb component output for direct drive of HDTV displays**
• Spatial/temporal dithering enables 10-bit color quality on 8-bit and 6-bit displays
• Fast, glitch-free mode switching
• VGA mode support on all outputs
• Drive two displays simultaneously with independent resolutions and refresh rates
• Compatible with ATI TV/Video encoder products, including Theater 550

CrossFire

• Multi-GPU technology
• Inter-GPU communication over PCI Express (no interlink hardware required)
• Four modes of operation:
• Alternate Frame Rendering (maximum performance)
• Supertiling (optimal load-balancing)
• Scissor (compatibility)
• Super AA 8x/10x/12x/14x (maximum image quality)

Packaging

On the front you see one of Sapphire's lovely aliens trying to get you interested in the packaging. The most important features are noted on the front of the box, so that potential shoppers can find out what they want to know.


On the backside are more specs and an alien in a rather interesting pose I must say.


Even though the box is big, there is a lot of unused space - small boxes do not sell as good as big ones.

Contents

Inside the box you will find:

• X1300 XT Video Card
• Instruction Manual
• Power DVD 6
• Component TV adapter
• S-Video cable
• DVI Adapter

We tested the Lite Retail version which is cheaper than full retail and does not include any games that nobody plays anyways.

The Card

The card comes with Sapphire's blue PCB. Some users may like it, some may not. At least it shows that Sapphire tries to have something innnovative over all the other board partners who have the red ATI PCBs. I wonder, will the new AMD-ATI PCBs be green now?


The backside is pretty clean. The memory chips have been moved to the other side for a while now. While faster cards need an extra power connector to get the juice they need, this card will get all its power via the PCI-Express bus.


This card has one analog and one DVI connector. This makes sense because most budget card users do not have a TFT or a TFT with DVI input. If you need to connect two analog displays you can use the included DVI adapter.


Sapphire's video card cooler is an all aluminum construction which is cheaper and lighter. Even though the fan design is remotely similar to the high-end video cards it is definitely less powerful. For example hot air does not get exhausted like on the X1900 series, but stays inside the case. The heat output of the card is probably so small that there is no point to add the extra engineering and cost required.


The fan sucks in air from above the fan and exhausts the warm air at the backside. Sapphire did not put a temperature sensor on the card, so temperature based fan control is not possible. This means that the fan will always run at the same speed, no matter if in idle or under load.

A Closer Look

Sapphire's cooler does not cool the memory. There is no contact between the memory chips and the cooler base.


After removing the cooler I saw this mess of thermal paste on the GPU. I find it surprising that the card even worked at all, considering several capacitors were fully covered in thermal paste.


This is the X1300 XT and the X1650 Pro side by side. As you can see it's the same PCB. Both cards share the same GPU and memory type so the performance differences should be almost non-existent.


The PCB number is exactly the same like on the X1650 Pro, 109-A67131-00A.


Sapphire uses 1.3 ns GDDR3 memory from Infineon with the model number HYB18H512321AF.


After a lot of cleaning up, this is the GPU core. Unfortunately it does not have a product name marking. But the GPU is either RV530 or RV535 which is an 80nm die shrink version.

Test System

<table border="1" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="0" class="ramtable" width="450">
<tr align="center">
<th colspan="2" scope="row" style="font-size:larger;text-align:center">Test System</th>
</tr>
<tr>
<th width="150" scope="row">CPU:</th>
<td scope="row">AMD Athlon64 3000+ @ 2225 MHz<br />(Venice, 512 KB Cache)</td>
</tr>
<tr>
<th scope="row">Motherboard:</th>
<td scope="row">ABIT AT8, BIOS 1.1<br />ATI Radeon XPRESS 200</td>
</tr>
<tr>
<th scope="row">Memory:</th>
<td scope="row">2x 1024MB G.Skill F1-4000BIU2-2GBHV CL3</td>
</tr>
<tr>
<th valign="top" scope="row">Harddisk:</th>
<td valign="top" scope="row">WD Raptor 360GD 36 GB</td>
</tr>
<tr>
<th valign="top" scope="row">Power Supply:</th>
<td valign="top" scope="row">OCZ GameXStream 700W</td>
</tr>
<tr>
<th valign="top" scope="row">Software:</th>
<td valign="top" scope="row">Windows XP SP2</td>
</tr>
<tr>
<th valign="top" scope="row">Drivers:</th>
<td valign="top" scope="row">NVIDIA: 91.47<br />ATI: Catalyst 6.9</td>
</tr>
</table>

• All video card results were obtained on this exact system with the exact same configuration.
• All games were set to their highest quality setting

Three resolutions were tested per benchmark:

• 1024 x 768, No Anti-aliasing, No anisotropic filtering. This is a standard resolution without demanding display settings.
• 1280 x 1024, 2x Anti-aliasing, 8x anisotropic filtering. Common resolution for most gamer flatscreens today. A bit of eye candy turned on in the drivers.
• 1600 x 1200, 4x Anti-aliasing, 16x anisotropic filter. Highest non-widescreen resolution available to a wide range of users. Very good looking driver graphics settings.

Far Cry

Far Cry was released in early 2004 by the new development studio Crytek. It quickly became a massive success because it was one of the first titles to take you in a beautiful 3D outdoor world. Far Cry was one of the most demanding games at its time. Even with today's video cards you can still see big differences in frame rates, especially at the higher resolutions.

FEAR

The first person shooter F.E.A.R, developed by Monolith Game Studios, was released in Fall 2005 and has a great 3D engine that uses a large number of shading and shadow effects to accurately model the game world. In addition to that it features a realistic physics engine that lets you interact with many objects in the game world. The game was voted game of the year by several publications.

Prey

Prey is based on a highly modified 3D engine made by id Software. This first person shooter brought a completely new way of gaming to the genre. In many levels you find yourself walking upside down or on the walls. This adds a completely new aspect to the gaming experience in this genre.

Quake 4

The Quake titles are among the most successful first person games. Developed by id Software, the famous game studio that brought you DOOM, you find yourself in a scifi world that is full of aliens and shocking effects. The main focus of the game is the single player story line. Quake 4 puts you on the home planet of the Strogg. In a number of missions you and your fellow marines will encounter all sorts of enemies, including some really huge aliens.

X3

X3 is a space combat/trading simulation game with beautiful graphics. The game world is gigantic and there is always something new to see. Even though the user interface is not that great, the title has found many fans that love to explore the rich content. When you are flying in your spaceship you are sometimes tempted to just stop the action to take a look at the highly detailed ships and planets.

3DMark03

Futuremark Corporation is the number one player in the world of synthetic benchmarking. The 3DMark series is the most popular test suite for video card testing and is used by gamers, overclockers and manufacturers alike to determine how fast their hardware is. Even though it is a few years old, 3DMark03 can easily stress today's video cards.

3DMark05

Another benchmark from Futuremark is 3DMark05 which comes with four completely new game tests that make massive use of shaders and lighting effects. 3DMark05 is a great test for modern video card architectures - in some tests you are often close to the 30 fps mark, below which your games will feel sluggish.

Power consumption

Cooling modern video cards is becoming more and more difficult, especially when users are asking for quiet cooling solutions. That's why the engineers are now paying much more attention to power consumption of new video card designs.

To measure power consumption the whole system's mains power draw was measured. This means that these numbers include CPU, Memory, HDD, Video card and PSU inefficiency.

The load value was obtained by running 3DMark03 Nature at 1280x1024, 6xAA, 16xAF. This results in the highest power consumption. While the test was running, power consumption was recorded. The highest reading is listed in the following graph.



Given the small power consumption you do not need to worry about having a powerful PSU when using this card. Even the cheapest low quality unit should be able to deliver the required power. However, compared to the power consumption of NVIDIA, ATI still needs more power. For example, the 7600 GT is considerably faster than the X1300 XT, yet it needs even less power.

Overclocking

There are no different 2D/3D voltages implemented in this card. It will always run at 575 MHz core and 700 MHz memory. You don't need to install any Sapphire software to run at their increased clocks.

Even though ATI's spec list states "Dynamic Voltage Control", there is no way to change the voltages via software. This means that if you need more juice you have to do a soldering voltmod.

We used ATITool to automatically find the maximum core and memory clocks (yes it works!) of our card.



In the end the card runs completely stable at 621 MHz Core (8 % overclock) and 806 MHz Memory (15 % overclock). Compared to ATI's default specifications this is an overclock of 24 % / 101 %.

For an already overclocked card this overclock is pretty amazing I must say. When I think of "pre-overclocked" I think of "card running at its maximum". Sapphire did a great job here, having some clock headroom means that the card will work stable even in hot cases or hot environments.

Value and Conclusion

<table width="100%" cellpadding="5" cellspacing="0" id="result">
<tr><th></th>
<td>

• Expect the price of this card a bit above $100. For this price it's a great deal I must say.

</td>
</tr><tr>
<th></th>
<td>

• Good performance
• Good price
• Stock overclocked
• GDDR3 Memory
• Crossfire capable

</td>
</tr>
<tr>
<th></th>
<td>

• No temperature monitoring
• No automatic/manual fan control
• Memory is not cooled

</td></tr>
<tr><th>9.1</th>
<td>When you think "X1300 XT" you would expect just a small performance increase compared to the X1300 Pro since the marketing names are so close. What ATI did however, is give you X1600 performance for X1300 price. The performance difference to the X1300 is pretty amazing, and the performance difference to the X1600 is so small that there is not really a reason to spend more money for the X1600.<br />
Compared to NVIDIA's a bit less expensive 7300 GT, the card is definitely faster, the difference is big enough to be noticed not only in benchmark number but actual gameplay.<br />
Sapphire made this product even more attractive by increasing the clocks a good amount, bringing the card even closer to X1600 performance. The card is Crossfire capable without any connector cable or dongle which may be a good upgrade path. Even with the factory overclock there is still some potential left for your own overclocking adventures. Overall the Sapphire X1300 XT Overclock Edition is a very solid product that I would buy any day when looking for a budget video card. Having Shader Model 3.0 and AVIVO support does make a difference compared to the X800 series, especially if you are looking into running Windows Vista [maybe not so] soon.<br />
The only weak point I see is that the card's cooler does not perform so great. I really miss a temperature controlled fan there. This can be easily overcome by getting a cheap aftermarket cooler. Remember, the heat output is nowhere near the high-end cards' so almost any cooler should work great.
</td></tr>
<tr><th></th><td></td></tr>
</table>

Originally Posted by D_o_S

Introduction

Powercolor was kind enough to provide the test sample. Thank you.

About a month ago, ATI launched its new flagship model, the Radeon X1950 XTX. Along with it, other cores were launched too – among them was the X1650 Pro. While it is nice to feast our eyes by admiring the performance of the X1950, most of us are looking for most “bang per buck”. Will the X1650 be just that?

Features

Radeon® X1650 Graphics Technology - GPU Specifications
Features

• Dual-link DVI
• Twelve pixel shader processors
• Five vertex shader processors
• 128-bit 4-channel DDR/DDR2/GDDR3 memory interface
• Native PCI Express x16 bus interface
• AGP 8x configurations also supported with AGP-PCI-E external bridge chip
• Dynamic Voltage Control

Ring Bus Memory Controller

• 256-bit internal ring bus for memory reads
• Programmable intelligent arbitration logic
• Fully associative texture, color, and Z/stencil cache designs
• Hierarchical Z-buffer with Early Z test
• Lossless Z Compression (up to 48:1)
• Fast Z-Buffer Clear
• Z/stencil cache optimized for real-time shadow rendering

Ultra-Threaded Shader Engine

• Support for Microsoft® DirectX® 9.0 Shader Model 3.0 programmable vertex and pixel shaders in hardware
• Full speed 128-bit floating point processing for all shader operations
• Up to 128 simultaneous pixel threads
• Dedicated branch execution units for high performance dynamic branching and flow control
• Dedicated texture address units for improved efficiency
• 3Dc+ texture compression
• High quality 4:1 compression for normal maps and two-channel data formats
• High quality 2:1 compression for luminance maps and single-channel data formats
• Multiple Render Target (MRT) support
• Render to vertex buffer support
• Complete feature set also supported in OpenGL® 2.0

Advanced Image Quality Features

• 64-bit floating point HDR rendering supported throughout the pipeline
• Includes support for blending and multi-sample anti-aliasing
• 32-bit integer HDR (10:10:10:2) format supported throughout the pipeline
• Includes support for blending and multi-sample anti-aliasing
• 2x/4x/6x Anti-Aliasing modes
• Multi-sample algorithm with gamma correction, programmable sparse sample patterns, and centroid sampling
• New Adaptive Anti-Aliasing feature with Performance and Quality modes
• Temporal Anti-Aliasing mode
• Lossless Color Compression (up to 6:1) at all resolutions, including widescreen HDTV resolutions
• 2x/4x/8x/16x Anisotropic Filtering modes
• Up to 128-tap texture filtering
• Adaptive algorithm with Performance and Quality options
• High resolution texture support (up to 4k x 4k)

Avivo™ Video and Display Platform

• High performance programmable video processor
• Accelerated MPEG-2, MPEG-4, DivX, WMV9, VC-1, and H.264 decoding and transcoding
• DXVA support
• De-blocking and noise reduction filtering
• Motion compensation, IDCT, DCT and color space conversion
• Vector adaptive per-pixel de-interlacing
• 3:2 pulldown (frame rate conversion)
• Seamless integration of pixel shaders with video in real time
• HDR tone mapping acceleration
• Maps any input format to 10 bit per channel output
• Flexible display support
• DVI 1.0 compliant / HDMI interoperable and HDCP ready**
• Dual integrated 10 bit per channel 400 MHz DACs
• 16 bit per channel floating point HDR and 10 bit per channel DVI output
• Programmable piecewise linear gamma correction, color correction, and color space conversion (10 bits per color)
• Complete, independent color controls and video overlays for each display
• High quality pre- and post-scaling engines, with underscan support for all outputs
• Content-adaptive de-flicker filtering for interlaced displays
• Xilleon™ TV encoder for high quality analog output
• YPrPb component output for direct drive of HDTV displays
• Spatial/temporal dithering enables 10-bit color quality on 8-bit and 6-bit displays
• Fast, glitch-free mode switching
• VGA mode support on all outputs
• Drive two displays simultaneously with independent resolutions and refresh rates
• Compatible with ATI TV/Video encoder products, including Theater 550

The card and bundle

The card arrived at the office packaged in a Powercolor-standard size white box. The box art, which you can see above, will be used on all retail cards.


The red card comes with a medium-sized black heatsink, which should do a good job of keeping the card cool. Unfortunately, even though the heatsink stretches over the memory in size, it does not cool it, as there is no thermal interface material (pad/paste) between the chips and the heatsink.

At stock, the core runs at 600 MHz, the memory at 700 MHz (1400MHz effectively). As you may have noticed, the card's pipeline count is identical to that of the X1600 XT (12 PS units, 4 ROPs). The memory communicates with the core over a 128-bit interface.

In terms of size, the card is about comparable to the X800GT, and so it should be no problem installing the card in any enclosure. I am also glad to see that the card has two DVI connectors as well as a VIVO connector.

The Radeon X1650 PRO gets all its juice through the PCI-Express slot, no additional power connector is necessary.


The bundle consists of:

• Powercolor Radeon X1650 PRO
• Driver CD
• Cyberlink DVD solution CD
• Quick installation guide
• DVI to VGA adapter
• VIVO cabling

Installation

Installation: open up the case, insert the card into the PCI-Express slot, screw down the metal tab, fire up the system and install the drivers.

As usual, everything went smoothly. The fan is very silent, I had to unplug some fans in the case in order to hear it.

I tried overclocking the card, but unfortunately, I was unsuccessful. I tried several programs. With the latest beta of ATI Tool, the card would raise clocks, but as soon as the change was confirmed, ATI Tool would crash. Also, by however much I tried to raise clocks, the card would just reset itself using VPU recover whenever I launched a benchmark. I think that we will have to wait for more advanced tools in order to overclock the new X1650 series.

The test system

The test system used was the following:
<table border="1" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="0" class="ramtable" width="450">
<tr align="center">
<th colspan="2" scope="row" style="font-size:larger;text-align:center">Test System</th>
</tr>
<tr>
<th width="100" scope="row">CPU:</th>
<td scope="row">AMD Athlon 64 3500+</td>
</tr>
<tr>
<th scope="row">Motherboard:</th>
<td scope="row">DFI Lanparty nF4 SLI-DR</td>
</tr>
<tr>
<th scope="row">Memory:</th>
<td scope="row">2x 512MB Mushkin Redline CL 2 3-2-5</td>
</tr>
<tr>
<th valign="top" scope="row">Video Card:</th>
<td valign="top" scope="row">Powercolor X1650 PRO</td>
</tr>
<tr>
<th valign="top" scope="row">Harddisk</th>
<td valign="top" scope="row">Seagate Barracuda 7200.8</td>
</tr>
<tr>
<th valign="top" scope="row">Power Supply:</th>
<td valign="top" scope="row">Enermax EG-701</td>
</tr>
<tr>
<th valign="top" scope="row">Software:</th>
<td valign="top" scope="row">Windows XP SP2, Catalyst 6.7</td>
</tr>
</table>

3D Mark 05

3D Mark 03

3D Mark 01

Aquamark 3

GPU Score only

Unreal Tournament 2004

Average from dm-rankin, as-convoy and br-collosus

Serious Sam The Second Encounter

The Grand Cathedral Timedemo

Doom 3

Timedemo 1

Far Cry

Volcano Timedemo

Battlefield 2

F.E.A.R MP Demo

In game performance test utility

Call of Duty 2 demo

Half Life 2

3D Mark 05 Feature Tests

3D Mark 03 Ragtroll

Value and Conclusion

<table width="100%" cellpadding="5" cellspacing="0" id="result">
<tr><th></th>
<td>

• The Powercolor Radeon X1650 PRO should retail for $105. This is about $20 more than the X1300XT

</td>
</tr><tr>
<th></th>
<td>

• Silent cooler
• Crossfire
• Cheap

</td>
</tr>
<tr>
<th></th>
<td>

• Performance
• In essence, a refreshed X1600 XT

</td></tr>
<tr><th>8.0</th>
<td>
The X1650 PRO is a card of the moment - it works today, and if you don't insist on playing games at their maximum detail, it will work for you in the future too. It is really just a spiced up X1600 XT, and therefore we can't expect any major performance gains.<br />
Unfortunately, with the release of the X1300 XT, which has the same core as the X1600, I don't see much point in dishing out an extra $20 to buy the X1650 PRO. Effectively, the X1300XT has dug a grave for the X1650 PRO. I was a little disappointed that I could not overclock the card during testing, but this obviously wasn't Powercolor's mistake - the software (lack of it) was to be blamed. Perhaps through overclocking both the X1300 XT and X1650 PRO we might see bigger differences. The only time that I would consider buying the X1650 PRO would be if it was within ~$10 of the price of the aforementioned X1300 XT.<tr><th></th></td></tr>
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that enought to prove to you that your wrong?

[AshenSugar]

Originally Posted by DOM_ATI_X800XL_PCI-E

so if i get a 1950pro 512 well that last me how long ? or are there other one that well do good for less ?

512 on a card in this class is pointless they cant take proper advantage of it, its like a 256mb 9600 card, the card just cant take advantage of the extra ram.

the x1300xt is basickly the same card, your better off gettin that for 80bukcs then the x1650pro!!

[stevorob]

You could have posted just the link...

Anyways, it was a reading mistake. I thought you meant the crappy x1300 that has like 4 pixel pipes and slow clock speeds, not the 1300XT.

[DOM]

im not the one that was asking about thoses cards

cuz the card in my Dell x300 se it not working and i was thinking of getting a new card for my rig in my specs so i can leave this one in the comp for my girl but thats why i rather have a 512 cuz i dont want to have to get another one any time soon

[AshenSugar]

like i said, 512 is pointless on a card thats in this class, the chip cant take full advantage of more then 256mb, 128bit dosnt give it the bandwith to do so.
my advice if you want something thats gonna last a long time, get an x1900gt for 150bucks!!!

and yes i could have used links BUT nobody ever bothers to click them then they do what you did, they assume, dispite the fact that i said "x1300xt".

this way they dont gotta go and do the very difficult tast of clicking a link they can just read the quotes from wiz here

[stevorob]

Dude, i missed the "XT" part on your post. I said that in my last post. You act like I ignored the fact that you said "XT".

Either way, I am agreeing with the fact that you said the x1300xt IS the x1650 pro or whatever. It was a mistake on my end.

[AshenSugar]

well people who cant read just get on my nerves specly when they correct me with FUD that came from their lack of proper reading of what i said.

your forgiven :P

and the cards are basickly the same exect thing, diffrance is clocks and hell throw on a vf700 cooler and u should beable to overclock the piss out of the dam thing no problem(the vf900 allows huge overclocks on my x1900xt)

[AthlonX2]

i dont understand what this is all about...both of those cards are doorstops so quit fighting like little kids

[stevorob]

I'm not fighting.

[AshenSugar]

Athlonx2, in the 80$ price range the x1300xt isnt a bad deal, to somebody like me with a 1600x1200 res screen they would be a doorstop but for an avrage low res gamer they would be fine!!!