Overclock leads to worse performance?

Casheti · Jan 11, 2007, 03:09 PM

I can overclock my CPU from 2.8GHz to 3120MHz on this board (which wasn't designed to clock) but it actually results in worse performance. Obviously this is partly due to the fact this isn't a clocking board, but any other reasons?

-Cash

Jimmy 2004 · Jan 11, 2007, 03:50 PM

If you've left all your RAM settings on auto then that would probably mean your board has set that slower.

Casheti · Jan 11, 2007, 03:51 PM

Ram speeds up but divider stays the same at 3:4 stock for some reason?

Jimmy 2004 · Jan 11, 2007, 03:53 PM

Maybe it's turning up the speed but losening timings? I'm not sure if mobos do that. Sounds like some setting is set to auto and changing itself to compensate for the speeds or something very unusual is happening

Casheti · Jan 11, 2007, 03:54 PM

Well there's nothing I can change apart from FSB. One program says 5-4-4-12 and CPU-Z says 4-4-4-12. And one set of ram is 4-4-4-11

Sasqui · Jan 11, 2007, 04:18 PM

Thermal throttling on the CPU?

Casheti · Jan 11, 2007, 04:18 PM

Nope. Temps are well within range

niko084 · Jan 11, 2007, 08:52 PM

Well also remember than your proc as it gets over clocked could start making errors but not bad enough to crash your system, but if it errors and has to start repeating procedures then it will slow you down, I have the same thing I can run my 2.8 at 3.2-3.3 not too bad, as soon as I push above 3.4 it starts actually slowing down, and my ram is not being slowed down.

Solaris17 · Jan 11, 2007, 09:00 PM

wtf? have you upped the voltage? disabled spead spectrum? locked the pci/agp buses? tried tightening timings?

Steevo · Jan 11, 2007, 09:00 PM

Defective die.

Errors encouintered during processing, leading to redundant processing.

niko084 · Jan 11, 2007, 09:02 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Solaris17

wtf? have you upped the voltage? disabled spead spectrum? locked the pci/agp buses? tried tightening timings?

Yes its normal if you really think about it, pushing a chip beyond what it was built to do, as you start getting close to the limits its going to error, from heat, from trying to work to fast, could be errors from your mainboard, ram controller, any number of things, but it will actually cause worse performance.

Casheti · Jan 11, 2007, 09:08 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Solaris17

wtf? have you upped the voltage? disabled spead spectrum? locked the pci/agp buses? tried tightening timings?

I can't do any of those things. I overclocked with Clockgen, BIOS holds no OC options at all.

If it helps, this chip is from a retail PC. Still in the original mobo. With different cooler.

sneekypeet · Jan 11, 2007, 09:22 PM

Have you tried SYSTool ? worked really well on my AMD and it may read yours as well! Lotz-o-options in there . I just found it a little more user friendly than clockgen, just my 2 pennies! do believe it works on some intel setups.

Casheti · Jan 12, 2007, 10:26 AM

Systool doesn't know my mobo

Wile E · Jan 12, 2007, 11:52 AM

It kinda sounds like your cpu wants more voltage. Mine actually slows down between 2650-2700 on 1.375v when compared to 2600. When I bump Vcore to 1.4v, it makes a huge jump in speed (and stability)

Casheti · Jan 12, 2007, 11:55 AM

At 3100MHz CPU Core is at 1.27V according to Everest Ultimate.

Wile E · Jan 12, 2007, 11:58 AM

Nothing will let you bump it up a notch?

Casheti · Jan 12, 2007, 12:01 PM

Nothing at all...0 OC options in BIOS. And as for Clockgen...well...

Wile E · Jan 12, 2007, 12:05 PM

Well the only thing I can think of is to dial the overclock back a little bit, and see if that helps. Try 3050 maybe?

niko084 · Jan 12, 2007, 05:29 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Wile E

Well the only thing I can think of is to dial the overclock back a little bit, and see if that helps. Try 3050 maybe?

backing it down would require less voltage, so give it a shot and see what your running like.

Casheti · Jan 12, 2007, 05:38 PM

Tried that too. Only works on 2800MHz. Otherwise BF2 lags. Soon as I put it back to stock it's fine. BF2 is my testing method. And SM2.0 Score was bad with OC as well.

Steevo · Jan 12, 2007, 06:22 PM

Not enough volts gets the win.

I can't get stable over 3.0 without at least 1.4 vcore.

Casheti · Jan 12, 2007, 07:01 PM

I can't believe I need to raise for vcore for a measly 300MHz overclock (bearing in mind this is an Intel remember). I guess the board just sucks. I want a P5B Deluxe but I only got like...£90...

Sasqui · Jan 12, 2007, 08:02 PM

Like, do you see a performance decrease at anything over 2.8Ghz????

Casheti · Jan 12, 2007, 09:07 PM

Yes. Unless it's something stupid like 1MHz

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Casheti Banned Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 3,042 (1.18/day) Thanks: 92 Thanked 31 Times in 30 Posts System Specs	At 3100MHz CPU Core is at 1.27V according to Everest Ultimate.

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Jan 12, 2007, 12:01 PM	#18
Casheti Banned Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 3,042 (1.18/day) Thanks: 92 Thanked 31 Times in 30 Posts System Specs	Nothing at all...0 OC options in BIOS. And as for Clockgen...well...

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Wile E Power User Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Western PA (Pittsburgh suburbs) Posts: 18,129 (7.47/day) Thanks: 450 Thanked 3,826 Times in 3,124 Posts System Specs	Well the only thing I can think of is to dial the overclock back a little bit, and see if that helps. Try 3050 maybe? __________________ Visit Ashentech “What the hell did you expect? Leave Vista under the pillow and the OS fairy would make it Win7?” -El Fiendo “And Bring Mailman back god damnit, he is the Eric Cartman of TPU” -MRCL

Jan 12, 2007, 05:38 PM	#21
Casheti Banned Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 3,042 (1.18/day) Thanks: 92 Thanked 31 Times in 30 Posts System Specs	Tried that too. Only works on 2800MHz. Otherwise BF2 lags. Soon as I put it back to stock it's fine. BF2 is my testing method. And SM2.0 Score was bad with OC as well.

Jan 12, 2007, 06:22 PM	#22
Steevo Eligible for custom title Join Date: Nov 2005 Posts: 5,567 (2.02/day) Thanks: 238 Thanked 979 Times in 729 Posts System Specs	Not enough volts gets the win. I can't get stable over 3.0 without at least 1.4 vcore.

Jan 12, 2007, 07:01 PM	#23
Casheti Banned Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 3,042 (1.18/day) Thanks: 92 Thanked 31 Times in 30 Posts System Specs	I can't believe I need to raise for vcore for a measly 300MHz overclock (bearing in mind this is an Intel remember). I guess the board just sucks. I want a P5B Deluxe but I only got like...£90...

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Jan 12, 2007, 09:07 PM	#25
Casheti Banned Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 3,042 (1.18/day) Thanks: 92 Thanked 31 Times in 30 Posts System Specs	Yes. Unless it's something stupid like 1MHz

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