GeForce 8800GTS terrible performance?

[bigafroyo]

Originally Posted by Beomagi

for games i'd agree, but for video encoding it's a godsend.

as far as HTT clock making a difference - try it yourself. I can drop it to x3 from x4 and my scores and times to encode are within the usual variance. virtually nil.

yea, definitly overclocking works for watching HD videos smooth them out and encoding, it does improve performance in games some, but the peformance isnt greatly improved so that little bit of overclocking isnt worth it.

[AshenSugar]

Originally Posted by cdawall

pls stop posting you are spitting out the wrong idea you starting to sound like RPG you had 1VIDEO CARD Benchmark that was it and as the name sais it was for VideoCards


OH and s754 newcastles are VERY hard to oc consistantly well 2.45ghz max 2.48ghz on my X newcastle they are very voltage tempramental and the stepping makes a HUGE diff
newest stepping does 2.45ghz (PIB cooling) @1.65V
oldest stepping does 2.48ghz (PIB cooling) @1.58V

duno m8, could be the board ur clocking with.

vnf3-250
4x3000+ newcastles all 2.55-2.65gz on 1.5-1.65v using PIB cooler

also had a 3000+ that was a FIRST RUN chip(varifyed by amd tech even said i shouldnt have gotten one of them because when wherent ment for retail distro, it was alwase querky but at 1.65 it would do 2.55gz, it died(alwase was querky even at stock clocks/volts) they sent me a 3700+ clawhammer!!!! 2.4gz to 2.65 was easy any higher, well u better have phasechange or something like it because that sucker wasnt going past that point(stil got that in my 1 vnf3-250 i kept (first one o ever used, good board, i fryed one of the front usb ports, then solder fixed the trace i shorted out(dont ask) still a fast stable board )

none of these where cheery picked chips all just off the shelf parts, also used alot of them from frys OEM sales(came with ecs nf3 board, decent clocker that) never saw one i couldnt get to 2.5x gz on PIB cooling, at least not on a 1/2 decent nf3 or nf4 board.

via, well dont even bother talking about overclocking and via to me, its like slaming ur head in a car door.

sis, nobody made a good clocking board with the 755 or 756 chipsets(bastages, the 756 refrance board clocked GREAT)

Uli till the last gen for 754 didnt clock well because nobody bothered to emplement the pci/agp locks properly.


the only chipsets for 754 worth talking about are the last gen ULI(epox made a good clocking board with them,) and Nforc3/4/6100 then you gotta look at what board ur getting, tforce6100 acctualy got 3 of the 3000+ chips that had been stuck at 2.55 up to 2.65+ at same volts(probbly more stable vcore or something) my buddy rod is stillusing the last 3000+ i setup in his 6100 board with a 1600 video card( 96bucks for a x1600pro iceq card last july, good value)

gues what im saying is that you cant go by what you have seen on 1 or 2 boards, because i have seen some boards clock INSAINLY WELL but not be known well or known well for overclocking, and others that got great overclocking reps give meger/poor overclocks(msi neo plat....pfffft POS)

vnf3 and vnf4 kicked arse for their day, and where 70-80bucks new, msi neoplat was 120-150new and didnt overclock neerly as well!!!! hell i have seen the vnf3/4 boards outclock their DFI counterparts at 1/3-1/4 the cost!!!!! (misses chaintech motherboards.....)

[Mussels]

Originally Posted by bigafroyo

lowering the hypertransport speed decreases performance.

you just proved you dont know anything on A64 overclocking: please stop commenting here. You can lower the HTT to 3x from the stock 5 and not notice a difference.

[AshenSugar]

Originally Posted by bigafroyo

lowering the hypertransport speed decreases performance.

as said above clealy you dont know jack sh!t about athlon64 overclocking.

ht can be lowered to 600mhz b4 you will start to see performance impact, ht only controls IO between devices and cpu, ram is dirrectly connected to the cpu, and isnt effected by HT clocks.

the reasion current HT is so high is t leave room for the server side to have multi-multi core chips in one system, think 4-dual core opterons, or 8 dual core opterons, this in no way effects even quadcores that are due out mid year, ht has more then enought bandwith for dual core chips at 3+gz even if you set it all the way down to 600.


now i have seen some twisted results on MSI neo plat boards where anything but the default 4x or 5x multi could cause perf hits, BUT this was due to bios not due to HT changes, some other hidden things changed when you changed HT multi that acctauly effected memory bandwith and IO latancys, AFIK that was worked out long long ago on those boards.

please dont post FUD, read more about what your going to post about



ps. if it was intels FSB i would agree droping the FSB on intel systems is BAD for perf but the fsb on intel is used for EVERTHING the chip has to depend on it for everything.

[Wile E]

Originally Posted by bigafroyo

umm ok, my 3200+ s939 winchester first 90nm a64 does 2.0 ghz stock to 2.6 ghz @ 1.5 vcore and my s939 venice does 2.4 ghz stock to 3.0 ghz @ 1.6.vcore

i cant even tell the difference from stock/overclocked... like i said performance gain from overclocking is crap.

Then there's something wrong with your setup, period. Took my X2 3800+ from 2GHz to 2.84GHz and I run almost identically to FX-62 setup with similar hardware in every benchmark I ever ran, except sciencemark, I beat the FX-62 in that. At the time of purchase, my cpu was $150, the FX-62 was still $900. I'd say that overclocking is worth it.

[AshenSugar]

Originally Posted by bigafroyo

overclocking does help alittle, but it's not worth the results are poor and stressing cpu and memory for little performance gain , just run cpu at stock clocks and gpu, better off..plus if you ever want better performance just upgrade lol...when it becomes really dated because alittle overclocking anit gonna help a dated cpu/gpu.

god you are a stupid noob, sorry but i cant help myself you really are about as bright as a box of rocks you know that?

Originally Posted by bigafroyo

AHAHAHAH...the cpu never increases the average framerate only the minimum by a few frames.. no big deal... plus at really high res which you should be using 8800 gts with cpu means even less.

omfg, you need to go back to school and take MATH

ok i will explain what an avrage is. say you masure fraims per second, then you masure that over a 1 minute period, you take each poll time and add them togather then devide them by 60 (there are 60seconds in a minute) if the minimum fps raises the avrage also raises.

and depending on the game you may get a larger fps boots, your 7800 cards far from what fear would really like to run on you know? the test isnt cpu limmited its GPU LIMMTIED

run 3dmark 2001se, or lower fear settings to 1024x768 no aa or af with softshadows and such enabled and lets see the overclocking results.

oh and dude you truely and honestly SUCK AT OVERCLOCKING, 2.4 out of a venice PLEASE i got my worst newcastle to 2.55 and most to 2.65 with very little effort.

your noobishness needs to not post FUD to confuse people who acctualy want to learn!!!!!!

[Mussels]

Originally Posted by AshenSugar

oh and dude you truely and honestly SUCK AT OVERCLOCKING, 2.4 out of a venice PLEASE i got my worst newcastle to 2.55 and most to 2.65 with very little effort.
learn!!!!!!

ash: one argument, i've had venices (3000+) that wouldnt even do 2.2Ghz, dud chip (i tried 3, one did 2.0, one did 2.15 and the third did 2.4.... there was dud ones out there)

[AshenSugar]

weird, what board?

boards i used, vnf4, vnf4ultra, biostar tforce4u and a foxconnboard, never tryed clocking on other boards, mostly used ecs sis755/756 boards for builds that wherent gonna overclock, mainly due to the fact that u couldnt screw much on in bios and they performed very well (sis chipsets=rock sold stable and fast)

if it was that dfi board, they are VERY picky due to default timings used by dfi, realy PITA to try and get stable alot of the time, gave up after trying for WEEEEK to get a dfi expert board stable and having dfi blame everything but their board, tryed it with 6 psu's, 8 or more ram kits, diffrent hdd's diffrent cables, diffrent video cards even diffrent cpu's it never was 100% stable even at stock, did rma it 2x then said screw it and we ebayed it(got more then it cost on newegg ROFL)

alot also has to do with the board i should have asked what board hes using, but common anybody who insists overclockings totaly pointless then insists that lowering the ht clock is going to hurt perf.....well......total newbert who needs a good overclocking lession!!!!!

[Mussels]

DFI ultra-D that ran 316FSB on my DDR600... there really is just some poo CPU's out there, like there are champs.

[cdawall]

Originally Posted by bigafroyo

lowering the hypertransport speed decreases performance.

it doesnt do anything mine oc'd to (4x)960 and dc'd to 733(3x) does nothing to any performance on my system games etc. anything on the HTT over 600mhz has no performance effect.


pls stop posting noobishly if what we say is right stop posting that we are wrong it makes you sound stupid

[Beomagi]

Best oc result with my newcastle 3400+. Best stable is at 2.64 though. (volts here are off :P)

and yup, it's a VNF3.

[Kammster]

increased framerates from overclocking depends on the game and what effects use the gpu or cpu.

example:
call of duty2 will have little on no increase over 2ghz cpu(amd)
need for speed:most wanted (shadow detail effect+car reflection effect): totally proprotinal incearse with cpu speed.

it just depends the game. xbitlabs had two articles about it.

raising Hypertransport (25%) took 1/2 cycle of my windows load time (3cycles now).
i think hypertranport is mainly from the cpu to interact with board? no effect on games i think.

my sempy is based on the venice, its memory controller does real nice with my small sticks
and according to newegg customers shoukld be stable at 2.2~2.4 @1.4v (300fsb LOL)

[Beomagi]

Originally Posted by Kammster

increased framerates from overclocking depends on the game and what effects use the gpu or cpu.

example:
call of duty2 will have little on no increase over 2ghz cpu(amd)
need for speed:most wanted (shadow detail effect+car reflection effect): totally proprotinal incearse with cpu speed.

it just depends the game. xbitlabs had two articles about it.

raising Hypertransport (25%) took 1/2 cycle of my windows load time (3cycles now).
i think hypertranport is mainly from the cpu to interact with board? no effect on games i think.

Pretty accurate.

Sweet Guyana! Trini here!

[AshenSugar]

Originally Posted by Beomagi

Best oc result with my newcastle 3400+. Best stable is at 2.64 though. (volts here are off :P)

and yup, it's a VNF3.

yeah, my newcastles overclocked well in the vnf3,, great boards, miss chaintech mobo's, venice overclocked a bit better and at lower volts, winchester(not seen on 754) didnt overclock very well, first gen new prosess chips never do(first 90nm chips where winchester)

[AshenSugar]

Originally Posted by cdawall

it doesnt do anything mine oc'd to (4x)960 and dc'd to 733(3x) does nothing to any performance on my system games etc. anything on the HTT over 600mhz has no performance effect.


pls stop posting noobishly if what we say is right stop posting that we are wrong it makes you sound stupid

hes trolling check his posts, the more i see him post the more he comes off as a pure troll.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internet_troll

[cdawall]

Originally Posted by AshenSugar

hes trolling check his posts, the more i see him post the more he comes off as a pure troll.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internet_troll

lol he was just like that

[Dewla]

Hello All!

I have a problem, and i am starting to go crazy here.

My system is Core2Duo 6400@3.5 Ghz, 2 gig DDR800, 450W Coolermaster Realpower, and Leadtek 8800GTS 320 Mb. Mobo is Asus P5B Deluxe.

Problem is that i am getting rediculously low scores in 3dmark06. I get around 3600, should be in the 8000-s i suppose. Both under Vista and XP, during the frist test it even reaches 5 fps. Installed and reinstalled latest forceware on both systems.

I have no idea what it could be. Could the PSU (being not enough) cause a degree in speed? (i have 2 hdds and 1 dvd-rw-s)

Please someone help, i am really going crazy...

[pt]

Originally Posted by Dewla

Hello All!

I have a problem, and i am starting to go crazy here.

My system is Core2Duo 6400@3.5 Ghz, 2 gig DDR800, 450W Coolermaster Realpower, and Leadtek 8800GTS 320 Mb. Mobo is Asus P5B Deluxe.

Problem is that i am getting rediculously low scores in 3dmark06. I get around 3600, should be in the 8000-s i suppose. Both under Vista and XP, during the frist test it even reaches 5 fps. Installed and reinstalled latest forceware on both systems.

I have no idea what it could be. Could the PSU (being not enough) cause a degree in speed? (i have 2 hdds and 1 dvd-rw-s)

Please someone help, i am really going crazy...

could be the psu, what's the tram timmings also?

[DOM]

check on CPU-Z if yout MOBO PCI-E is 16x and not 1x

[Dewla]

OMG PCIE is indeed set to 1x. I guess i can set this in bios...but not sure i remember if there is such a setting...

[DOM]

Originally Posted by Dewla

OMG PCIE is indeed set to 1x. I guess i can set this in bios...but not sure i remember if there is such a setting...

you need 2 up the SB voltage up one and see it again, cuz are your voltages in auto?

[Dewla]

w00t m8! You rock

This solved the problem, got 8800 under vista x64, guess it would be a bit more under xp

PCI-e voltage was indeed on auto...

And i was about to change my psu

pt asked about my ram timings, they are 5-5-5-16 (factory settings for my geil ultrakit is 4-4-4-12), but once they get OC-d to 900 mhz, they dont manage to get along on the original timings. I guess there would be more in my cpu, but cannot oc more, cause my RAM cannot stand more fsb (running 8x435 now)...

[cdawall]

try 5-5-5-20 might give you some more speed if that wont get it try 6-6-6-24 that should let you hit a higher FSB

[Dewla]

Originally Posted by cdawall

try 5-5-5-20 might give you some more speed if that wont get it try 6-6-6-24 that should let you hit a higher FSB

Gonna try that as soon as i get home