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[Mussels]

Originally Posted by btarunr

Then let that feeling serve as a reminder to stick to the guidelines.

Or I have a better idea, which will answer your case, and serve as a middle ground: Expired infractions will not be visible to the users who received it, it will be visible to the moderators.

What say?

sure. that doesnt stop me seeing my own infraction , but it will certainly help people who look at a big ass list and feel bad. I think thats exactly whats needed to keep both sides happy.

[btarunr]

Originally Posted by Mussels

sure. that doesnt stop me seeing my own infraction , but it will certainly help people who look at a big ass list and feel bad.

You have no expired infractions, only an expired 0 point warning. Don't tell me that makes you feel bad.

[Mussels]

Originally Posted by btarunr

You have no expired infractions, only a 0 point warning. Don't tell me that makes you feel bad.

well since i'd had a clean record for years, managing to break that streak did make me sad.

I'm one of those guys who was always terrified of being called to the principals office

[RevengE]

Originally Posted by Mussels

well since i'd had a clean record for years, managing to break that streak did make me sad.

I'm one of those guys who was always terrified of being called to the principals office

HAHA

[eidairaman1]

lmao

shouldnt be. They just censure you is all, basically remind you to not do it again heh.

[btarunr]

Originally Posted by Mussels

I'm one of those guys who was always terrified of being called to the principals office

I farted in my principal's office. My revenge was sweet.

[RevengE]

Originally Posted by btarunr

I farted in my principal's office. My revenge was sweet.

Thanks I guess I am Sweet

[Mussels]

Originally Posted by btarunr

I farted in my principal's office. My revenge was sweet.

my brother took in a (de-activated) hand grenade when he was called in once.

Thats what they get for calling a kid there in the middle of 'show and tell' after we visited an army museum (this was in primary school)

[crazy pyro]

ROFL. Please can this thread die for a few days now? Weeks or months would be nice.

[RevengE]

Originally Posted by crazy pyro

ROFL. Please can this thread die for a few days now? Weeks or months would be nice.

I would like it to die down as well, But its also Good to hear what everyone has to say it makes it a better place

[Triprift]

Lol thats what ive been saying for ages everytime i think its in hibernation it magically comes back to life.

[imperialreign]

seeing as how we're still discussing expired infractions and all . . .

I agree with Wile E's statements - but I get where you're coming from as well bta . . . but, again, I go back to the criminal analogy . . . even "petty" offenses are to be taken seriously, they're still classified as misedmeanors . . . but, again, after a long enough period of time, they can usually be expunged from one's criminal record (mostly depending upon the nature of the crime, it's level of "seriousness") . . . once it's expunged, it's as if it no longer exists, investigators can't pull up those offenses on your criminal record, not without a decree from a judge, so those past offenses can't be immediately taken into consideration.

There should be some time limit as to how long expired infractions stay on a users "record" - why should an incident that happened 2 years ago still be allowed to be taken into consideration with present-day happenings?


Another thought as well, what about repealed infractions? One's that were issued by one mod, then repealed by another? Should those be allowed to sit around as well? Technically, no infraction was given, as it was repealed long before it was allowed to expire . . . why should such instances stick aroun as well?

[btarunr]

Originally Posted by imperialreign

Another thought as well, what about repealed infractions? One's that were issued by one mod, then repealed by another? Should those be allowed to sit around as well? Technically, no infraction was given, as it was repealed long before it was allowed to expire . . . why should such instances stick aroun as well?

Those can be removed from the users' list. Such infractions/warnings are neither taken into account, nor does its existence affect the users in any way. Regarding everything else, I've put forward my contention.

[Mussels]

i think BTA has the best solution.

Once expired the user can no longer see them - so the only person that CAN see it is a mod, and they'll only see it if a persons already caused trouble.

Person causes trouble -> check their history -> tale appropriate action

Its not like we check their history and then stalk every post, waiting to use their history as an excuse.

[W1zzard]

Originally Posted by imperialreign

but, again, after a long enough period of time, they can usually be expunged from one's criminal record

tpu isnt a western democracy.

records of your bad behaviour will stay and be used to decide if you are a nice guy or not. of course mods know that if something was 3 years in the past you may have changed a lot

[h3llb3nd4]

I've always been a good boy never stepped into the principles office for a tongue lashing...

[imperialreign]

Originally Posted by W1zzard

tpu isnt a western democracy.

records of your bad behaviour will stay and be used to decide if you are a nice guy or not. of course mods know that if something was 3 years in the past you may have changed a lot

I never likened TPU to a democracy . . . I'm only using the modern legal system(s) as a means of comparison.

Although, ideally, new mods shouldn't be taking an incident into consideration that happened ages ago . . . there's nothing to say they won't, either. In that respect, it's not entirelly fair to the user - but no one knows any better.

I think the main idea that's trying to be stressed . . . is that by removing infraction histories outside of a certain timeframe, it ensures fairness from the moderators in consideration of current issues. We as users put our faith in that the mods will be as fair and balanced in their judgements as possible . . . but they're only as human as we users are, and if present incidents crop up for consideration amidst heated conversations (sometimes involving mods), it's as equally possible that the mod might go a little too far as well.

I think it all revolves back to the idea that, again, although ancient infractions shouldn't be taken into account, we have no way of knowing if this is really the case when it comes to moderator's decisions. It's not an arguement about being fair, but instead about ensuring fairness.


As to reversed/repealed infractions - those should most definitely go. There's no point in having those stay on a users record for any length of time, and should definitely not be able to even be considered or viewed by a mod. If it was enough to have the infraction reversed, it's enough to have it removed.

[TheMailMan78]

I'm noticing a lot of bans lately. I don't know what the main reasons are but maybe someone should "reword" the rules so that people don't keep making the same mistakes over and over. Just an idea.

[h3llb3nd4]

same here...random, see alot of banned members on TPU

[sneekypeet]

Banned members have to have done something against the rules to have deserved such a punishment, we will leave it at that.

[Tatty_One]

Damn, after this thread was started by W1z in early 2007 there was lots of talk about infractions and bans, I felt a little left out so in July 2007 I asked Dan to give me a 5 point infraction so i could actually see how it was recorded in User CP......it's still there to this day....... that just cant be good

[btarunr]

Originally Posted by Tatty_One

it's still there to this day....... that just cant be good

It won't be taken into account by any moderator, it shouldn't affect you in any way.

[W1zzard]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Expungement

please read and understand, its not that your criminal history just disappears

[Tatty_One]

Originally Posted by Tatty_One

Damn, after this thread was started by W1z in early 2007 there was lots of talk about infractions and bans, I felt a little left out so in July 2007 I asked Dan to give me a 5 point infraction so i could actually see how it was recorded in User CP......it's still there to this day....... that just cant be good

yeah I know, under the reason it says "wanted to know what 5 points do"

[Tatty_One]

Originally Posted by W1zzard

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Expungement

please read and understand, its not that your criminal history just disappears

Yes but it shows on your linky that records can get "expunged" under certain circumstances, for example when someone is free from offfences for a particular time etc, and that of course relates to criminal offences not mis-behaviour in a forum.

I do liken this to judicial law a little though, i dont know if it's the same or similar in Germany or the US but in the UK, if you have broken the law or misbehaved but it is not considered serious enough for an arrest and formal charge/court action, the Police can issue you with a formal "caution" (for the sake of the forum, lets call that an infraction), that caution goes on your record and if any offence is commited within 1 year then it's taken into consideration, if you go for a year without another caution or have not commited any offence, it's wiped off your record, simply because it is not a conviction.
Personally, I liken a "conviction" to a temporary ban, which i do think should stay on a members record for life because in my mind, thats more serious than getting an infraction, to me an infaraction is a formal warning issued when a mod had "informally" asked you to stop doing something and the member has failed to heed that warning.

Just my 2 penneth worth.