Sapphire X1950 GT

W1zzard · Mar 25, 2007, 09:27 AM

To read this review go to: http://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/Sapphire/X1950_GT/

Zubasa · Mar 27, 2007, 11:33 AM

Did I read wrong or there is a mistake...
X1900GT use RV570?

And the standard X1950Pro is 256MB DDR3...

Eric_Cartman · Mar 27, 2007, 03:43 PM

yeah, i could have sworn the x1900gt was based on the r580

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Originally Posted by W1zzard

The GPU used is the RV570 Revision A12. I wonder what the little X stands for on the GPU.

my guess would be they use that to mark the rv570 cores that didn't pass the tests at x1950pro specs

just a guess though

W1zzard · Mar 27, 2007, 10:12 PM

original x1900 gt uses r580 .. x1900 gt rev. 2 uses rv570

Ketxxx · Mar 27, 2007, 10:50 PM

As nice as the reviews are w1z, isnt it about time those game tests are updated? 3dmark is, afterall, just a synthetic test.

zwawy · Mar 28, 2007, 09:34 AM

very nice reviews..thanks

Zalmann · Mar 28, 2007, 10:32 AM

Great review, will help clear up some of the common misconceptions that some people here have about the differences between the three.

W1zzard · Mar 28, 2007, 11:06 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ketxxx

As nice as the reviews are w1z, isnt it about time those game tests are updated? 3dmark is, afterall, just a synthetic test.

which apps would you suggest we use? they need to have an integrated benchmark feature .. only thing i can think of right now is suprememe commander which is horribly inaccurate.

3dmark06 == 3dmark05 + cpu test .. so not really any difference compared to 3dmark05

Ketxxx · Mar 28, 2007, 02:01 PM

Something thats extremely demanding in the real world would be nice, say the likes of Oblivion, its in-game FPS counter or fraps could be used to obtain average framerates in places that really matter, like the heavily forested areas and the FPS killing active Oblivion gate areas dotted around. For shits and giggles FPS in places like the Imperial City and indoor areas like taverns could be taken too just for completeness.

ZakB · Mar 30, 2007, 12:02 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by W1zzard

After talking to Sapphire about this they sent me a new BIOS. With this the card is a lot quieter and much more fun to use.

-Can someone tell me how to change BIOS on this card, is there any tutorial or beginners guide?
-Am I going to lose waranty if I do that?

Thanks for review, it's really great!

Eric_Cartman · Mar 30, 2007, 05:56 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ketxxx

As nice as the reviews are w1z, isnt it about time those game tests are updated? 3dmark is, afterall, just a synthetic test.

thats why there are game tests in the review too.

W1zzard · Mar 30, 2007, 06:35 PM

you cant automate oblivion :/

GargoyleBG · Apr 6, 2007, 09:02 PM

are you sure this is the correct bios
http://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/S...s/3E190ASA.bin

it's 96Kb, while saving old bios makes 62Kb file

W1zzard · Apr 6, 2007, 09:34 PM

yes it's the correct bios i got from sapphire .. i will dump my bios from the card once i'm back from travelling

lordgestle · Apr 12, 2007, 01:35 AM

Question. Noticed the VRM component layout is different compared to the X1950 Pro reference. Reason I ask is that I just received a Sapphire x1950 Pro 512MB and they layout matches exactly to the x1950GT. I'm a little dissapointed as I already order the VRM cooler for the Accelero and my guess is that this will no longer work so I just wasted an additional 7 bucks. I guess the bigger question is that is this new revision a better version compared to the previous revision (which required a cooler) for the 1950 pro line or is this just bringing the cost down for those models.
All I know is seeing those big caps on a video card does not give me a warm and fuzzy feeling.
*Edit*
Just noticed it missing the mounting holes for the accelero outside of the 4 around the gpu. This 1950 pro going back.

Ketxxx · Apr 12, 2007, 01:15 PM

You dont have to automate oblivion, using its built in FPS counter is good enough to test a card with oblivions more challenging areas like in dense forests. As pretty much all graphics cards struggle in this game, IMO its a good test to see if the card you have been eyeing up to upgrade to is really worth its salt.

Eric_Cartman · Apr 12, 2007, 03:21 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ketxxx

You dont have to automate oblivion, using its built in FPS counter is good enough to test a card with oblivions more challenging areas like in dense forests. As pretty much all graphics cards struggle in this game, IMO its a good test to see if the card you have been eyeing up to upgrade to is really worth its salt.

no not having an automated test means that the conditions can't be reproduced identically every single time, meaning the tests will be invalid

NinkobEi · May 17, 2007, 06:54 PM

Any word on the Sapphire 1950GT 512mb version review? I've searched the internet high and low but cannot find one..

Ketxxx · May 17, 2007, 07:28 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Eric_Cartman

no not having an automated test means that the conditions can't be reproduced identically every single time, meaning the tests will be invalid

No, they wont. all you have to do is pick a dense area, then save the game there and load it up. The save file has all essential information to make it useful. Doesnt matter what system that save file is then used on, it will still load with the player in the EXACT place they were standing. From there a general 360 degree sweep is enough to see a minimum and maximum FPS and to work out an "average"

Eric_Cartman · May 17, 2007, 07:46 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ketxxx

No, they wont. all you have to do is pick a dense area, then save the game there and load it up. The save file has all essential information to make it useful. Doesnt matter what system that save file is then used on, it will still load with the player in the EXACT place they were standing. From there a general 360 degree sweep is enough to see a minimum and maximum FPS and to work out an "average"

no that isn't good enough because the frame rate will vary greatly based simply on how fast you do the 360 sweep

for any framerate test to be valid every single aspect has to be identical on every single run

suraswami · May 21, 2007, 10:51 PM

W1zzard - What are the temps on that 1950GT card and how does it compare with 1950Pro? Is the fan loud/too loud at full speed? Can you try posting the temps with default cooler and after market cooler like Artic cooler?

NewbieBuilder · May 22, 2007, 12:01 AM

Oh wow, thank you for the review, I was planning to get this gfx card but I still wasn't quite sure on how it would perform. This cleared up most of the stuff I was unsure about. I'll definitely be getting this then.

Mar 25, 2007, 09:27 AM	#1
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lordgestle Join Date: Jun 2006 Posts: 1 (0.00/day) Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Question. Noticed the VRM component layout is different compared to the X1950 Pro reference. Reason I ask is that I just received a Sapphire x1950 Pro 512MB and they layout matches exactly to the x1950GT. I'm a little dissapointed as I already order the VRM cooler for the Accelero and my guess is that this will no longer work so I just wasted an additional 7 bucks. I guess the bigger question is that is this new revision a better version compared to the previous revision (which required a cooler) for the 1950 pro line or is this just bringing the cost down for those models. All I know is seeing those big caps on a video card does not give me a warm and fuzzy feeling. Edit Just noticed it missing the mounting holes for the accelero outside of the 4 around the gpu. This 1950 pro going back. Last edited by lordgestle; Apr 12, 2007 at 02:28 AM.

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NewbieBuilder Join Date: May 2007 Location: California Posts: 73 (0.04/day) Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Oh wow, thank you for the review, I was planning to get this gfx card but I still wasn't quite sure on how it would perform. This cleared up most of the stuff I was unsure about. I'll definitely be getting this then.

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