Core 2 Duo E6300 vs AMD Athlon 64 6000+

pcgolfer85 · Apr 17, 2007, 03:12 AM

Ok, I have been very discouraged about my recent computer parts order. I have built many computers before, but I have never seriously overclocked before. From what I have read on this forum, everyone seems to be recommending the E6300 because, "it beats any AMD Athlon 64 chip after being overclocked." How is it possible that the E6300 is so much better? Should I send my AMD Athlon 64 6000+ and new mobo back and order the E6300? My plan was to play games. I also ordered an 8800 GTS (360MB) video card. I don't know...I have spent a lot of money on my new build and I want to be happy with it for a while.

Edit: I am interested in overclocking my new build.

erocker · Apr 17, 2007, 03:18 AM

Keep your AMD and be proud man! That is a fine chip that won't produce as much as a hiccup while playing games.

anticlutch · Apr 17, 2007, 03:19 AM

Keep your 6000+. Although I love my Core2Duo, I doubt the RMA process is worth it (if you happened to buy your parts from Newegg, returning items will cost you extra money).

If you don't mind paying the restocking fee and return shipping, the E6300 is a bit better after being overclocked since it isn't as dependant on memory timings as the 6000+ is.

pcgolfer85 · Apr 17, 2007, 03:21 AM

Thanks man. Is that cpu easily overclocked? I ordered this mobo:

see below...

erocker · Apr 17, 2007, 03:22 AM

Heck, I would say ditch that and go with a cheaper Brisbane core to keep some cash. I actually prefer gaming on an AMD over and Intel. My music recording system has a Core2Duo in it and I wouldn't use anything else.

erocker · Apr 17, 2007, 03:22 AM

Your link is for a nVidia 8800 Video Card.

anticlutch · Apr 17, 2007, 03:23 AM

Heh you sent a link for the graphics card instead

pcgolfer85 · Apr 17, 2007, 03:25 AM

opps. here it is:

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16813188016

anticlutch · Apr 17, 2007, 03:27 AM

Looks good... you'll probably need to change the fan on the mobo since it'll probably get really loud and annoying though

erocker · Apr 17, 2007, 03:30 AM

Actually that is a pretty sweet board. And very new. I know the Intel variation has had some great success and some temperature issues. I'm in the process of getting the $99 Asus 570 Ultra off of Newegg:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16813131022, I don't plan on using SLI.

pcgolfer85 · Apr 17, 2007, 03:35 AM

yeah. i ordered this cpu fan. what do you think:

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16835118223

anticlutch · Apr 17, 2007, 03:38 AM

Excellent choice! I have that and I couldn't be happier with the way it performs and looks

newtekie1 · Apr 17, 2007, 02:32 PM

Well if you want the absolute best overclocked performance you can get then send the 6000+ back. Even the $140 E4300 hits 3.6GHz on air easily with a good motherboard, the 6000+ would never hit that speed on air, and even still clock for clock the E4300 outperforms the 6000+. So even if you could get the 6000+ up to 3.6GHz it would still be outperformed by the E4300 and the E4300 costs a good $100 less.

Just the price difference in the processor alone should cover the restocking fees, but how much is the hassle worth to you? A good motherboard is going to cost you atleast $130 though, but in the end you should still come out spending less money and getting better performance.

It is up to you though, the 6000+ is certainly a very nice processor, and will do everything you want it to just fine for years to come, but there are better options out there.

technicks · Apr 17, 2007, 02:39 PM

How would you compare a AMD and Intel both at 3.6
That is no comparisation imo.

pcgolfer85 · Apr 17, 2007, 02:53 PM

Ok. I'm a newbee to this forum.

What does "imo" mean?

And...

What do you mean by "there is no comparison." I'm guessing you mean that the Intel chip is much better.?.?

technicks · Apr 17, 2007, 02:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by pcgolfer85

Ok. I'm a newbee to this forum.

What does "imo" mean?

And...

What do you mean by "there is no comparison." I'm guessing you mean that the Intel chip is much better.?.?

Lol. Imo means ''i my opinion''
No the Intel chip is not better. The clock frequency are diferent from eachother. A 3 gh Intel can not be compared to a 3 gh AMD

pcgolfer85 · Apr 17, 2007, 03:02 PM

It's interesting to hear what everyone has to say about AMD and Intel. This forum has really helped me make my computer purchasing decisions. Thanks technicks!

Frick · Apr 17, 2007, 03:09 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by technicks

How would you compare a AMD and Intel both at 3.6
That is no comparisation imo.

It's easy to compare them. I mean, a 3Ghz c2d will do things faster than a 3Ghz A64.

AMD's CPU's are still good though, it's just that c2d is faster.

ktr · Apr 17, 2007, 03:20 PM

6000+ is just slighty under the c2d-6700

Ketxxx · Apr 17, 2007, 03:58 PM

On the score of performance, the E6300 once OCd will beat a AMD system. If your like me and have the future in mind, then a C2D is deffinately the way to go.

technicks · Apr 17, 2007, 04:10 PM

But if you look at it on stock speeds. Not everyone overclocks his sytem.

Would a C2D E6300 be faster then lets say a AMD 5400 dual core?

Ketxxx · Apr 17, 2007, 04:28 PM

Probably about even.

Eric_Cartman · Apr 17, 2007, 04:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by technicks

But if you look at it on stock speeds. Not everyone overclocks his sytem.

stock speeds don't matter here because he is looking to overclock his system

this isn't a discussion of intel vs. amd in situations that apply to people that aren't pcgolfer85

you can go have that discussion somewhere else, it has no place in this thread

pcgolfer85 · Apr 17, 2007, 05:13 PM

How much success will I get overclocking the AMD Athlon 64 6000+ chip?

pcgolfer85 · Apr 17, 2007, 05:47 PM

What do you guys think of this?

http://www.legitreviews.com/article/463/12/

They were able to get Athlon 64 X2 6000+ to run at 3.4ghz.

Apr 17, 2007, 03:12 AM	#1
pcgolfer85 Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: USA Posts: 473 (0.21/day) Thanks: 66 Thanked 17 Times in 16 Posts	Core 2 Duo E6300 vs AMD Athlon 64 6000+ Ok, I have been very discouraged about my recent computer parts order. I have built many computers before, but I have never seriously overclocked before. From what I have read on this forum, everyone seems to be recommending the E6300 because, "it beats any AMD Athlon 64 chip after being overclocked." How is it possible that the E6300 is so much better? Should I send my AMD Athlon 64 6000+ and new mobo back and order the E6300? My plan was to play games. I also ordered an 8800 GTS (360MB) video card. I don't know...I have spent a lot of money on my new build and I want to be happy with it for a while. Edit: I am interested in overclocking my new build.

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Apr 17, 2007, 03:21 AM	#4
pcgolfer85 Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: USA Posts: 473 (0.21/day) Thanks: 66 Thanked 17 Times in 16 Posts	Thanks man. Is that cpu easily overclocked? I ordered this mobo: see below... Last edited by pcgolfer85; Apr 17, 2007 at 03:28 AM.

Processor:	Intel i7 3770K @ 4.6ghz 1.256v
Motherboard:	Asus Maximus V Formula
Cooling:	Water
Memory:	2x4gb Patriot Viper 2133mhz 10-11-10-25 2T 1.55v
Video Card:	Sapphire HD 7970 1125/1575 1.14v
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Apr 17, 2007, 03:18 AM	#2
erocker Senior Moderator Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Milwaukee, WI. Posts: 31,876 (12.78/day) Thanks: 2,779 Thanked 12,246 Times in 7,802 Posts System Specs	Keep your AMD and be proud man! That is a fine chip that won't produce as much as a hiccup while playing games.

Apr 17, 2007, 03:19 AM	#3
anticlutch Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: SoCal Posts: 768 (0.31/day) Thanks: 7 Thanked 36 Times in 35 Posts System Specs	Keep your 6000+. Although I love my Core2Duo, I doubt the RMA process is worth it (if you happened to buy your parts from Newegg, returning items will cost you extra money). If you don't mind paying the restocking fee and return shipping, the E6300 is a bit better after being overclocked since it isn't as dependant on memory timings as the 6000+ is.

Apr 17, 2007, 03:22 AM	#5
erocker Senior Moderator Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Milwaukee, WI. Posts: 31,876 (12.78/day) Thanks: 2,779 Thanked 12,246 Times in 7,802 Posts System Specs	Heck, I would say ditch that and go with a cheaper Brisbane core to keep some cash. I actually prefer gaming on an AMD over and Intel. My music recording system has a Core2Duo in it and I wouldn't use anything else.

Apr 17, 2007, 03:23 AM	#7
anticlutch Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: SoCal Posts: 768 (0.31/day) Thanks: 7 Thanked 36 Times in 35 Posts System Specs	Heh you sent a link for the graphics card instead

Apr 17, 2007, 03:25 AM	#8
pcgolfer85 Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: USA Posts: 473 (0.21/day) Thanks: 66 Thanked 17 Times in 16 Posts	opps. here it is: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16813188016

Apr 17, 2007, 03:27 AM	#9
anticlutch Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: SoCal Posts: 768 (0.31/day) Thanks: 7 Thanked 36 Times in 35 Posts System Specs	Looks good... you'll probably need to change the fan on the mobo since it'll probably get really loud and annoying though

Apr 17, 2007, 03:30 AM	#10
erocker Senior Moderator Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Milwaukee, WI. Posts: 31,876 (12.78/day) Thanks: 2,779 Thanked 12,246 Times in 7,802 Posts System Specs	Actually that is a pretty sweet board. And very new. I know the Intel variation has had some great success and some temperature issues. I'm in the process of getting the $99 Asus 570 Ultra off of Newegg: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16813131022, I don't plan on using SLI.

Apr 17, 2007, 03:35 AM	#11
pcgolfer85 Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: USA Posts: 473 (0.21/day) Thanks: 66 Thanked 17 Times in 16 Posts	yeah. i ordered this cpu fan. what do you think: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16835118223

Apr 17, 2007, 03:38 AM	#12
anticlutch Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: SoCal Posts: 768 (0.31/day) Thanks: 7 Thanked 36 Times in 35 Posts System Specs	Excellent choice! I have that and I couldn't be happier with the way it performs and looks

Apr 17, 2007, 02:32 PM	#13
newtekie1 Semi-Retired Folder Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Indiana Posts: 17,737 (6.49/day) Thanks: 780 Thanked 5,112 Times in 3,703 Posts System Specs	Well if you want the absolute best overclocked performance you can get then send the 6000+ back. Even the $140 E4300 hits 3.6GHz on air easily with a good motherboard, the 6000+ would never hit that speed on air, and even still clock for clock the E4300 outperforms the 6000+. So even if you could get the 6000+ up to 3.6GHz it would still be outperformed by the E4300 and the E4300 costs a good $100 less. Just the price difference in the processor alone should cover the restocking fees, but how much is the hassle worth to you? A good motherboard is going to cost you atleast $130 though, but in the end you should still come out spending less money and getting better performance. It is up to you though, the 6000+ is certainly a very nice processor, and will do everything you want it to just fine for years to come, but there are better options out there. __________________ Rig1: System Specs. Rig2: A8-5600K@4.4GHz / AsRock FM2A75 Pro4 / 8GB Corsair DDR3-1600 9-9-9-24 / HD7560D / Samsung DVD-Burner / 1.5TB WD Green + 3x3TB WD RED in RAID5 Rig3: Athlon X2 4200+ / M4A79 Deluxe / 4GB G.Skill Pi DDR2-800 4-4-4-12 / GT430 / Sony DVD-Burner / 500GB WD Rig4: Phenom II x6 1605T @ 3.6GHz / Asus M5A99X Evo / 8GB PNY DDR3-1600 9-9-9 / GTX470 & GTX470 / Samsung DVD-Burner / 1.5TB Seagate

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Apr 17, 2007, 02:39 PM	#14
technicks Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Enschede, The Netherlands Posts: 2,737 (1.06/day) Thanks: 268 Thanked 265 Times in 228 Posts System Specs	How would you compare a AMD and Intel both at 3.6 That is no comparisation imo. __________________ CPU-Z validation sig pics temporarily blocked

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Apr 17, 2007, 02:53 PM	#15
pcgolfer85 Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: USA Posts: 473 (0.21/day) Thanks: 66 Thanked 17 Times in 16 Posts	Ok. I'm a newbee to this forum. What does "imo" mean? And... What do you mean by "there is no comparison." I'm guessing you mean that the Intel chip is much better.?.?

Apr 17, 2007, 03:02 PM	#17
pcgolfer85 Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: USA Posts: 473 (0.21/day) Thanks: 66 Thanked 17 Times in 16 Posts	It's interesting to hear what everyone has to say about AMD and Intel. This forum has really helped me make my computer purchasing decisions. Thanks technicks!

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Apr 17, 2007, 03:20 PM	#19
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Apr 17, 2007, 03:58 PM	#20
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Apr 17, 2007, 04:10 PM	#21
technicks Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Enschede, The Netherlands Posts: 2,737 (1.06/day) Thanks: 268 Thanked 265 Times in 228 Posts System Specs	But if you look at it on stock speeds. Not everyone overclocks his sytem. Would a C2D E6300 be faster then lets say a AMD 5400 dual core? __________________ CPU-Z validation sig pics temporarily blocked

Apr 17, 2007, 04:28 PM	#22
Ketxxx Eligible for custom title Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Kingdom of gods Posts: 6,380 (2.42/day) Thanks: 35 Thanked 580 Times in 412 Posts System Specs	Probably about even. __________________ WARNING: I am cracking down on stupidity in the forums. Anyone caught making a dumb statement clearly not knowing many, if any of the facts, will promptly be directed to xtremesystems. Sig edited. If anyone wants to know about the E4400 (E7200 sold) drop me a PM

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Apr 17, 2007, 05:13 PM	#24
pcgolfer85 Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: USA Posts: 473 (0.21/day) Thanks: 66 Thanked 17 Times in 16 Posts	How much success will I get overclocking the AMD Athlon 64 6000+ chip?

Apr 17, 2007, 05:47 PM	#25
pcgolfer85 Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: USA Posts: 473 (0.21/day) Thanks: 66 Thanked 17 Times in 16 Posts	What do you guys think of this? http://www.legitreviews.com/article/463/12/ They were able to get Athlon 64 X2 6000+ to run at 3.4ghz.

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