Importance of stable OC @ 100%

Champ · May 10, 2010, 08:29 PM

I know I'm knocking around 2 gens ago gear, but how important is it to have a CPU OC stable at 100% usage when you almost never use that much? I use Prime95 like everyone else, but I've never used 100% of my processor for anything. I don't have any benchmark programs either. Should I worry? I know it's probably a headroom thing, but I feel I can squeeze a few more drops.

DrPepper · May 10, 2010, 08:34 PM

Depends. If it never crashes then really why bother ? I didn't stress test mine when I went to 4ghz I just continued on as normal and if I got crashes then I tweaked it til it was stable.

Easo · May 10, 2010, 08:34 PM

It doesnt have to be at 100% usage to die with failed overclock (read: too big one).

DRDNA · May 10, 2010, 08:39 PM

Its all in "if you are happy with it".

Sasqui · May 10, 2010, 08:43 PM

Now it REALLY depends on the time of year... I usually build in the winter, only to find out my system isn't stable when the ambient temps are 10c higher in the summer.

So, I push it, then dial it back if/when it starts getting flakey.

I recently lost my motherboard (RIP Maximus

) last week when it was getting pretty warm in the house. Could be a coincidence, not sure.

Bo$$ · May 10, 2010, 08:46 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sasqui

Now it REALLY depends on the time of year... I usually build in the winter, only to find out my system isn't stable when the ambient temps are 10c higher in the summer.

So, I push it, then dial it back if/when it starts getting flakey.

I recently lost my motherboard (RIP Maximus

) last week when it was getting pretty warm in the house. Could be a coincidence, not sure.

i do it exactly the otherway round, oc and stress test in summer, relax for the winter

newtekie1 · May 10, 2010, 08:48 PM

Testing at 100% is done to get the instability to show faster. If it fails, the overclock is unstable. Now it might only crash once of twice a year, but it is still unstable.

It is up to your if you can live with that.

Champ · May 10, 2010, 10:11 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sasqui

Now it REALLY depends on the time of year... I usually build in the winter, only to find out my system isn't stable when the ambient temps are 10c higher in the summer.

So, I push it, then dial it back if/when it starts getting flakey.

I recently lost my motherboard (RIP Maximus

) last week when it was getting pretty warm in the house. Could be a coincidence, not sure.

QFT, OCed that worked in the winter don't work now.

sneekypeet · May 10, 2010, 10:32 PM

It used to be that stability was a real non issue. I mean if I was playing a game and it crashed it wasnt like I had to add another quarter to play it again

As time went by, and I started using the PC for work, now we go into a different game. Nothing like getting 9 pages in to a word doc and the PC crashes, oh right, and you forgot to save it. The instability can then cost you time, and possibly money. If you work on your PC, I strongly advise stability to 101% certainty. If you are just surfing and gaming, it really isnt so pressing.

Bo$$ · May 11, 2010, 10:43 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by sneekypeet

It used to be that stability was a real non issue. I mean if I was playing a game and it crashed it wasnt like I had to add another quarter to play it again

As time went by, and I started using the PC for work, now we go into a different game. Nothing like getting 9 pages in to a word doc and the PC crashes, oh right, and you forgot to save it. The instability can then cost you time, and possibly money. If you work on your PC, I strongly advise stability to 101% certainty. If you are just surfing and gaming, it really isnt so pressing.

can't argue with that advice

DanTheBanjoman · May 11, 2010, 10:48 AM

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Originally Posted by DrPepper

Depends. If it never crashes then really why bother ? I didn't stress test mine when I went to 4ghz I just continued on as normal and if I got crashes then I tweaked it til it was stable.

Silent data corruption.

hat · May 11, 2010, 10:51 AM

If my overclock isn't 100% stable, I don't use it. If it's not completely stable, it's as good as not even being able to get into Windows. I want my system to work every time I use it, not just some of the time, because I can't stand when it doesn't work some of the time. Additionally, I crunch and fold, so I definately want it to be completely stable because I do not want to be sending in work units full of miscalculations.

DrPepper · May 11, 2010, 12:37 PM

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Originally Posted by DanTheBanjoman

Silent data corruption.

Not a big deal for me. I reformat once a week as well so I don't keep data for long periods of time anyway.

Paulieg · May 11, 2010, 12:48 PM

I guess I'm a bit old school when it comes to overclocking. I want to be as stable as possible, or the overclock doesn't count, period. So what if I can boot into windows and possibly function at 4.6ghz if there is any potential of it crashing due to instability? It will most certainly cost me time and money, as sneeky mentioned. Not to mention a proven stable overclock of 4.2ghz will run a hell of alot better than a unstable 4.6.

The stability thing is also a game for me. With how easy hardware is to overclock these days, any dumb ass can increase the clock speed of the processor. The real skill is getting just the perfect blend of speed and stability with the processor, motherboard and memory.

Mussels · May 11, 2010, 01:04 PM

well, the people who dont test for stability are the ones who end up here on the forum crying about games that crash, drivers corrupting, or hardware dying when the summer comes around.

Thrackan · May 11, 2010, 01:07 PM

I'm with Paulie here. I'm a real critic when it comes to overclocks, and any overclock needs to function for the full 100% for it to "count" as a success. Also, I just want my hardware to work 100%, so if I crash somewhere in the middle of doing something important, I can simply blame Windows.

HalfAHertz · May 11, 2010, 01:21 PM

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Originally Posted by DrPepper

Not a big deal for me. I reformat once a week as well so I don't keep data for long periods of time anyway.

You format your windows partition, but you can just as easily destroy your music, movies, family pictures as long as you're storing them locally.

erixx · May 11, 2010, 01:57 PM

I would interrogate the Pepper why he does reformat weekly !! WOW hahaha a bit paranoid maybe?
On the other side I just do like you, dear Dr, stresstests and benchmarks are so boring. But i like to check RAM latency and performance with Everest (surprising results sometimes!).

DrPepper · May 11, 2010, 02:12 PM

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Originally Posted by HalfAHertz

You format your windows partition, but you can just as easily destroy your music, movies, family pictures as long as you're storing them locally.

Stored on the network. My pc is stable anyway my stability check takes longer than most people.

Quote:

Originally Posted by erixx

I would interrogate the Pepper why he does reformat weekly !! WOW hahaha a bit paranoid maybe?
On the other side I just do like you, dear Dr, stresstests and benchmarks are so boring. But i like to check RAM latency and performance with Everest (surprising results sometimes!).

Nope I just love the feeling of a new OS. Doesn't take long to reformat with this SSD anyway.

erixx · May 11, 2010, 02:48 PM

Sounds interesting, but I won't bother you asking for your method as I have no SSD

claylomax · May 11, 2010, 03:07 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DrPepper

Not a big deal for me. I reformat once a week as well so I don't keep data for long periods of time anyway.

I do a clean/fresh install of Vista every 4 or 5 months; it takes 20 minutes. No crashes or BSOD.

claylomax · May 11, 2010, 03:10 PM

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Originally Posted by DrPepper

Depends. If it never crashes then really why bother ? I didn't stress test mine when I went to 4ghz I just continued on as normal and if I got crashes then I tweaked it til it was stable.

That's true. My overclock won't pass prime95 or OCCT but I never had a problem with any game.

Champ · May 11, 2010, 11:01 PM

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Originally Posted by claylomax

That's true. My overclock won't pass prime95 or OCCT but I never had a problem with any game.

That kinda how I'm sitting

Ra97oR · May 11, 2010, 11:08 PM

I test with Prime95 and OCCT GPU test both running at the same time to check both overclock and simulate the worst case that can happen in a game.

El_Mayo · May 11, 2010, 11:12 PM

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Originally Posted by claylomax

That's true. My overclock won't pass prime95 or OCCT but I never had a problem with any game.

Kinda the same for me really
I use my desktop for gaming, surfing the net and WCG.

That's about it really. Games only crash when I go for stupid overclocks like +900mhz with no increased voltage.
I don't see the need for 100% stability if it won't crash under the circumstances I use it.
And I'm one of those noobs when it comes to overclocking, increase fsb and voltage are the only two things I know... and they're working pretty well for me

May 10, 2010, 08:29 PM	#1
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May 10, 2010, 08:34 PM	#3
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May 11, 2010, 10:51 AM	#12
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May 11, 2010, 12:48 PM	#14
Paulieg The Mad Moderator Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Wherever I can find the iron. Posts: 11,448 (5.01/day) Thanks: 2,519 Thanked 3,054 Times in 2,098 Posts System Specs	I guess I'm a bit old school when it comes to overclocking. I want to be as stable as possible, or the overclock doesn't count, period. So what if I can boot into windows and possibly function at 4.6ghz if there is any potential of it crashing due to instability? It will most certainly cost me time and money, as sneeky mentioned. Not to mention a proven stable overclock of 4.2ghz will run a hell of alot better than a unstable 4.6. The stability thing is also a game for me. With how easy hardware is to overclock these days, any dumb ass can increase the clock speed of the processor. The real skill is getting just the perfect blend of speed and stability with the processor, motherboard and memory. __________________ "I have found the Iron to be my greatest friend. It never freaks out on me, never runs. Friends may come and go. But two hundred pounds is always two hundred pounds." -Henry Rollins My heatware Save lives by joining the TPU WCG team!

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May 11, 2010, 01:07 PM	#16
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May 11, 2010, 01:57 PM	#18
erixx Join Date: Mar 2010 Location: Moorsoldaten barracks Posts: 2,183 (1.89/day) Thanks: 709 Thanked 312 Times in 250 Posts System Specs	I would interrogate the Pepper why he does reformat weekly !! WOW hahaha a bit paranoid maybe? On the other side I just do like you, dear Dr, stresstests and benchmarks are so boring. But i like to check RAM latency and performance with Everest (surprising results sometimes!).

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May 11, 2010, 02:48 PM	#20
erixx Join Date: Mar 2010 Location: Moorsoldaten barracks Posts: 2,183 (1.89/day) Thanks: 709 Thanked 312 Times in 250 Posts System Specs	Sounds interesting, but I won't bother you asking for your method as I have no SSD

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May 11, 2010, 11:08 PM	#24
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Video Card:	NVIDIA GTX470
Hard Disk:	2 x Samsung F3 1TB RAID 0, Samsung F4 2TB
CRT/LCD Model:	BenQ FP92W
Case:	Fractal Design Define R3
Sound Card:	ASUS Xonar Essence ST to ATH-AD1000PRM/STAX SR-404LE
PSU:	Antec Signature 650W
Software:	Windows 7 Ultimate x64
Benchmarks:	CPU Max Stable OC (ATM, just got this): 4.7Ghz Prime95 stable

Processor:	AMD Phenom II X6 1055T 2.8GHz 95W
Motherboard:	Gigabyte GA-890GPA-UD3H 890GX Socket
Cooling:	Alpenföhn Nordwand Tower CPU Cooler
Memory:	Samsung 30nm DDR3 1600 8GB (2x4GB)
Video Card:	MSI Twin Frozr AMD HD 7850 2GB
Hard Disk:	1TB Samsung Spintpoint F3
CRT/LCD Model:	19" Westinghouse
Case:	Corsair 500R
Sound Card:	Onboard 5.1
PSU:	Corsair TX650W
Software:	Windows 7 Ultimate

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