Why the HD 2900xt is better.

[m3lisk]

mandelore, where the f#$& did you get your avatar?

[Tatty_One]

Originally Posted by mandelore

on that website from canada, extremepc the 1gb 2900xt is right there with the 8800 ULTRA, so yes its better than the 8800 gtx in terms of 3dmark06 benchies

And on the 2600XT thread I posted a linkie to a review from only last week (28 June) with the 2900XT Versus the 8800GTS 640MB, both had the up to date drivers, both overclocked to their max and the GTS beat the 2900XT in over half the benches, reviews can be very selective.

here ya go, now as I said they can be selective so I am not supporting the findings....meerly posting them for info:

http://it-review.net/index.php?optio...1435&Itemid=91

[Chewy]

Originally Posted by jagjitnatt

Moreover if you look at the DX10 games like company of heroes, you'll see that ATI performs better than 8800GTX.
So, I would say m3lisk made the correct decision and went for the best and the most future proof card out there.

Rock on ATI users

Nice post man but when the heat was turned up AA/AF higher res 1900x1200 the 2900xt fell behind in the benchies and thats where I want my gaming to be higher res with AA/AF maxed.. hopefully its a driver issue. good info in your post though. "Nvidia" (happy Mandelore?:P) has come a long way with image quality aswell, so Im not sure if the lower fps was due to bettter image quality that ati once dominated.

[Tatty_One]

Originally Posted by jagjitnatt

I simply don't understand why people are so immature.
They go directly to conclusions without even thinking once. HD 2900XT is a very nice card.
It is better than 8800GTX. See what happenned when NVIDIA came out with 8800 series in Nov?
Their hardware was very nice cause it was being compared to X1950XTX.
Their drivers were immature, i should say their drivers plain SUCKED.
It took them over 6 months to achieve the performance that they get now.
Give ATI some time. And those dumb people who feel drivers aren't making a difference, check this link which shows the kind of improvement drivers have been showing on HD2900.

http://www.computerbase.de/news/trei...ibervergleich/

HD2900 is being compared to GTX and GTS. sure people expect it to be slightly ahead or behind it. But I don't understand, there are people who believe because ATI was late 6 months, HD2900 should have scored ten times than that of 8800.
Guys, every gen of cards has seen this trend that the top of the line cards are pretty much similar in performance (8-12% diff)
Now ATI is slow because all the features it offers in hardware are not being implemented in games. But once DX10 is mainstream we'll see those features and then it will be like GeForce 7 vs X1k series where X1k series could do AA+HDR whereas nVIDIA didn't implement it in hardware.
Complex shaders and Tesselation are such features. Games today use scalar shaders, which is why they only see 64 shaders in 2900 whereas they see 128 shaders in 8800GTX.
Once DX10 games are here, they will be able to utilise the advanced shaders which would give the card the power of around 256 shaders in best case (64X4, when all complex shaders are in use)
Moreover if you look at the DX10 games like company of heroes, you'll see that ATI performs better than 8800GTX.
So, I would say m3lisk made the correct decision and went for the best and the most future proof card out there.

Rock on ATI users

Who in this thread has said that drivers dont make a difference....unless I clicked on the wrong thread title?

[Xaser04]

Originally Posted by jagjitnatt

I simply don't understand why people are so immature.
They go directly to conclusions without even thinking once. HD 2900XT is a very nice card.
It is better than 8800GTX. See what happenned when NVIDIA came out with 8800 series in Nov?
Their hardware was very nice cause it was being compared to X1950XTX.
Their drivers were immature, i should say their drivers plain SUCKED.
It took them over 6 months to achieve the performance that they get now.
Give ATI some time. And those dumb people who feel drivers aren't making a difference, check this link which shows the kind of improvement drivers have been showing on HD2900.

http://www.computerbase.de/news/trei...ibervergleich/

HD2900 is being compared to GTX and GTS. sure people expect it to be slightly ahead or behind it. But I don't understand, there are people who believe because ATI was late 6 months, HD2900 should have scored ten times than that of 8800.
Guys, every gen of cards has seen this trend that the top of the line cards are pretty much similar in performance (8-12% diff)
Now ATI is slow because all the features it offers in hardware are not being implemented in games. But once DX10 is mainstream we'll see those features and then it will be like GeForce 7 vs X1k series where X1k series could do AA+HDR whereas nVIDIA didn't implement it in hardware.
Complex shaders and Tesselation are such features. Games today use scalar shaders, which is why they only see 64 shaders in 2900 whereas they see 128 shaders in 8800GTX.
Once DX10 games are here, they will be able to utilise the advanced shaders which would give the card the power of around 256 shaders in best case (64X4, when all complex shaders are in use)
Moreover if you look at the DX10 games like company of heroes, you'll see that ATI performs better than 8800GTX.
So, I would say m3lisk made the correct decision and went for the best and the most future proof card out there.

Rock on ATI users

Whilst I agree that the HD2900XT will imrpove with future driver revisions alot of the additional features it has will most likely go to waste.

Features such as the tesselation unit will probably never be used in pc games until nvidia have a card capable of the same thing, this is mainly due to game developers not wanting to cause a rift between them and the graphics card companies.

Also a common miss conception is that the 7xxx series could not do AA + HDR together. This is only partially correct. They could do Integer based HDR and AA perfectly fine together (ala source engine) however it was FP16 HDR and AA that caused the problem (Oblivion).

This really was not a problem as unless you were running a Xfire setup HDR and AA together in Oblivion made the game unplayable in certain areas (at higher resolutions).

Of course this is not to day that the HD2900XT will not improve and given its current price point if significant improvements are made then it certainly will offer excellent bang for buck.

The question is of course will these improvements come as too little to late?!

[LiNKiN]

Which ever card PWNS in Crysis will be the card I will get. But, the game is still a ways away, so hopefully ATI will have greatly improved their drivers (I always want the underdog to win), because Id really like to have the HDMI!!!

[m3lisk]

Originally Posted by LiNKiN

Which ever card PWNS in Crysis will be the card I will get. But, the game is still a ways away, so hopefully ATI will have greatly improved their drivers (I always want the underdog to win), because Id really like to have the HDMI!!!

Yeah, ditto to that. Underdogs should always come out on top, I mean look at the Russians in WWII, lol.

[mandelore]

Originally Posted by m3lisk

mandelore, where the f#$& did you get your avatar?

i made it

[d44ve]

Originally Posted by mandelore

i made it

I have always liked your avatar....

however, everytime I look at it, I cant help but look at his (or her?) right hand. It looks a bit "off"

[mandelore]

Originally Posted by Chewy

Nice post man but when the heat was turned up AA/AF higher res 1900x1200 the 2900xt fell behind in the benchies and thats where I want my gaming to be higher res with AA/AF maxed.. hopefully its a driver issue. good info in your post though. "Nvidia" (happy Mandelore?:P) has come a long way with image quality aswell, so Im not sure if the lower fps was due to bettter image quality that ati once dominated.

oh that wasnt me that pointed out the nvidia wotcha mecallit

[mandelore]

Originally Posted by d44ve

I have always liked your avatar....

however, everytime I look at it, I cant help but look at his (or her?) right hand. It looks a bit "off"

its actually alyx, but in goth, and yes, i had finger poser for gmod10 enabled and it went funny, i could never be bothered to repose as it took so frikkin long to get it right... lol,

[d44ve]

Originally Posted by mandelore

its actually alyx, but in goth, and yes, i had finger poser for gmod10 enabled and it went funny, i could never be bothered to repose as it took so frikkin long to get it right... lol,

hell... either way..... its WAAAAAAAAAAAAY better than anything I can do

[m3lisk]

Ahh, HL2. Very nice indeed. So, quick off topic poll: x1650xt in crossfire, or single x1950 while I wait for the 2950xt(lol)?

[mandelore]

yes yes.. totally off topic, but tickled sum1 took an interest, the hand is actually clipping with the right boobie and is a lill twisted, that happened when i made the ragdoll a statue.. oh well :P

[m3lisk]

I'd tap that.

[d44ve]

Originally Posted by m3lisk

I'd tap that.

LOL

[zekrahminator]

Originally Posted by m3lisk

I blame it on drivers. The 8800 gtx has had tons of driver re-polishings. I theorize that ATI wil wait until everyone has bought an 8800, then go MWAHAHAHA! then release the new drivers which will unlock the 2900's ture potential from within and make it the best card out there.

They won't do that on purpose .

But seriously. DirectX 9 is a very crappy way of benchmarking a DirectX10 card .

[zekrahminator]

Originally Posted by mandelore

yes yes.. totally off topic, but tickled sum1 took an interest, the hand is actually clipping with the right boobie and is a lill twisted, that happened when i made the ragdoll a statue.. oh well :P

Who's the green-eyed girl, again? .

[mandelore]

oh thats Elexis Sinclaire featured in the Sin games, and this model from the Sin Episodes Emergence game provided by valve/steam, i think shes pretty nice for a pixelated chick especially in the first cut scene and the bathing poolscene tee-hee-hee

[mandelore]

oh , and she is moddeled after Bianca Beauchamp

ive seen better pics, but shes hot



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[LonGun]

Look at the "special edition"/"Ultra?" new version of the Nvidia 8800GTX cost almost $1000. What a shame on them .

[m3lisk]

Originally Posted by LonGun

Look at the "special edition"/"Ultra?" new version of the Nvidia 8800GTX cost almost $1000. What a shame on them .

Ditto.

[mandelore]

yeah its crazy price, you could get 2 1gb 2900's and blow the shit out of that mighty expensive purchase

[Darknova]

The only problem I have with the 2900 is the amount of power it uses. Buying a new PSU is all well and good until you take a look at your power bill, then you wont be so happy.

[mandelore]

imrunning mine on my 580W psu, 35A on the 12v rail, i think ill only need to upgrade when going to crossfire