Athlon 64 X2 6400+ Black Edition Hits 510MHz FSB on AMD RD790 on Air

zekrahminator · Oct 29, 2007, 06:55 PM

Regardless of theoretical performance, the upcoming AMD RD790 and Athlon 64 Black Edition line of processors certainly are overclockable and feature-laden. On nothing but air cooling, MSI testers were able to get an RD790 chipset to a remarkable 510MHz FSB speed. Once the RD790 is released with PCI Express 2, CrossFire X, and support for goodies such as Phenom, we will see one seriously good platform.

Source: Nordic Hardware

AddSub · Oct 29, 2007, 07:02 PM

Impressive.

JC316 · Oct 29, 2007, 07:04 PM

Thats great, but what was the clock speed on the chip? 510 is ok, but if your CPU can't go that high, it's worthless(Unless you lower the multiplier and then the only benifit is the RAM speed).

SpookyWillow · Oct 29, 2007, 07:11 PM

i think it was just a test to see how how the fsb can go.

Ben Clarke · Oct 29, 2007, 07:13 PM

So they effectivly lowered the speed of the chip to get a higher FSB. Smart.

mdm-adph · Oct 29, 2007, 07:21 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ben Clarke

So they effectivly lowered the speed of the chip to get a higher FSB. Smart.

Sometimes it can be, I've heard -- not by as much as they did in this test, of course. Getting 510mhz here was merely a Proof of Concept.

nflesher87 · Oct 29, 2007, 08:15 PM

correct mdm, this is simply to show there is no significant FSB wall at least up to 510FSB which is awesome and means that the new phenoms should have a ton of potential on RD790!

Sasqui · Oct 29, 2007, 08:38 PM

Looks like they are showing the limits of both the Phenom and the RD790 by dropping the multiplier.

The Phenom shown in that screenshot has a ~25% overclock.

Unfortunately, the screenshot above (from the link) looks seriously photo-shopped.

SK-1 · Oct 29, 2007, 09:21 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sasqui

Looks like they are showing the limits of both the Phenom and the RD790 by dropping the multiplier.

The Phenom shown in that screenshot has a ~25% overclock.

Unfortunately, the screenshot above (from the link) looks seriously photo-shopped.

What do you look for when deciding if it is shopped or not?
Just curious.

zekrahminator · Oct 29, 2007, 09:25 PM

CPU-Z screen added, I'm sorry I forgot about it earlier

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mandelore · Oct 29, 2007, 09:30 PM

shouldnt it be bus speed and HT link on that cpuz screeny, not FSB and bus? It is AMD after all....

however, it may just be a bug, who knows. I would like to think it could handle that high an bus speed as it will be sweet for hi end RAM modules

like this:

WarEagleAU · Oct 29, 2007, 11:52 PM

Amazing potential. When I first looked at it, I was like the poster above who said, 510mhz and a multi of 5 and not much for speed. But when I thought about it, the Phenom has amazing potential to clock to 4ghz or more. Sweet score for AMD

Steevo · Oct 30, 2007, 12:59 AM

Shouldnt the lettering be blue, and the text in the box?

theonetruewill · Oct 30, 2007, 01:01 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Steevo

Shouldnt the lettering be blue, and the text in the box?

I get the lettering as black when use the Windows Classic theme.

Grings · Oct 30, 2007, 01:09 AM

if its photoshopped, why does the validation number work?

Sovereign · Oct 30, 2007, 03:07 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mandelore

shouldnt it be bus speed and HT link on that cpuz screeny, not FSB and bus? It is AMD after all....

You get it reported as Bus Speed when you look at the pic provided on validation links. With CPU-Z 1.41, my Santa Ana 1216 Opteron is shown as a Santa Rosa so things like this are to be expected.

My CPU-Z 1.41 Validation screenie :

nflesher87 · Oct 30, 2007, 03:14 AM

I guess it's looking fairly legit then

a111087 · Oct 30, 2007, 04:55 AM

so, who's getting AMD for their next PC

yogurt_21 · Oct 30, 2007, 06:15 AM

count me in, though I have to say my upgrades are going to get farther and farther apart. married and bout to have kids.

and if they could get that result on phase with an 8x mult, I'd buy both easily.

Wile E · Oct 30, 2007, 09:30 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sasqui

Looks like they are showing the limits of both the Phenom and the RD790 by dropping the multiplier.

The Phenom shown in that screenshot has a ~25% overclock.

Unfortunately, the screenshot above (from the link) looks seriously photo-shopped.

It's not a Phenom. It's a 6400+, and it's actually 22% underclocked.

mandelore · Oct 30, 2007, 09:45 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sovereign

You get it reported as Bus Speed when you look at the pic provided on validation links. With CPU-Z 1.41, my Santa Ana 1216 Opteron is shown as a Santa Rosa so things like this are to be expected.

My CPU-Z 1.41 Validation screenie :

ahhh good to know then!

mitsirfishi · Oct 30, 2007, 10:08 AM

that is pretty sick but class

well done

Gzero · Oct 30, 2007, 01:21 PM

Right... so AMD prove they can do 500fsb and some you think thats a great reason to buy AMD cpus again... I fail to see the logic...

Having a high fsb might allow more memory bandwidth but if it isn't actually filled and used by the cpu then isn't it overkill, like giving a mini a Ferrari engine?

For example: Pentium 4 (prescott + D models) look at all the good quad pumping the fsb did for intel when they finally realised that 5ghz wasn't really a viable consumer option. :/

And AMD aren't using DDR3 so this is a bit premature :P

mandelore · Oct 30, 2007, 01:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Gzero

Right... so AMD prove they can do 500fsb and some you think thats a great reason to buy AMD cpus again... I fail to see the logic...

Having a high fsb might allow more memory bandwidth but if it isn't actually filled and used by the cpu then isn't it overkill, like giving a mini a Ferrari engine?

lol....

AddSub · Oct 30, 2007, 06:05 PM

Quote:

so, who's getting AMD for their next PC

Me, as I have for the past six years. And the one after that, and the one AFTER that, and the...well you get the idea. Unless AMD goes completely out of business, and even then there would be a steady supply of AMD parts for years on eBay and such. I'm done with Intel. I kicked that bit*h out, threw her sh*t on the street and blocked her phone number. As for VIA? I don't play with toys anymore.

Oct 29, 2007, 06:55 PM	#1
zekrahminator McLovin Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: My house. Posts: 6,280 (2.35/day) Thanks: 105 Thanked 340 Times in 246 Posts System Specs	Athlon 64 X2 6400+ Black Edition Hits 510MHz FSB on AMD RD790 on Air Regardless of theoretical performance, the upcoming AMD RD790 and Athlon 64 Black Edition line of processors certainly are overclockable and feature-laden. On nothing but air cooling, MSI testers were able to get an RD790 chipset to a remarkable 510MHz FSB speed. Once the RD790 is released with PCI Express 2, CrossFire X, and support for goodies such as Phenom, we will see one seriously good platform. Source: Nordic Hardware Last edited by zekrahminator; Oct 29, 2007 at 09:25 PM.

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Oct 30, 2007, 01:21 PM	#23
Gzero Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Scotland Posts: 661 (0.22/day) Thanks: 22 Thanked 52 Times in 46 Posts System Specs	Right... so AMD prove they can do 500fsb and some you think thats a great reason to buy AMD cpus again... I fail to see the logic... Having a high fsb might allow more memory bandwidth but if it isn't actually filled and used by the cpu then isn't it overkill, like giving a mini a Ferrari engine? For example: Pentium 4 (prescott + D models) look at all the good quad pumping the fsb did for intel when they finally realised that 5ghz wasn't really a viable consumer option. :/ And AMD aren't using DDR3 so this is a bit premature :P Last edited by Gzero; Oct 30, 2007 at 02:24 PM.