Google Plans to Investigate and Develop Renewable Energy

Polaris573 · Nov 28, 2007, 12:45 AM

Google announced Tuesday that it intended to develop and help stimulate the creation of renewable energy technologies that are cheaper than coal-generated power. Google said it would spend hundreds of millions of dollars, part of that to hire engineers and energy experts to investigate alternative energies like solar, geothermal and wind power. The effort is aimed at reducing Google’s own mounting energy costs to run its vast data centers, while also fighting climate change and helping to reduce the world’s dependence on fossil fuels.

“We see technologies we think can mature into very capable industries that can generate electricity cheaper than coal,” said Larry Page, a Google founder and president of products, “and we don’t see people talking about that as much as we would like.” The initiative will be based in Google’s research and development group. The company also said that Google.org, the philanthropic for-profit subsidiary that Google seeded in 2004 with three million shares of its stock, would invest in energy start-ups. Google says its goal is to produce one gigawatt of renewable energy — enough to power the city of San Francisco — more cheaply than coal-generated electricity. The company predicted that this can be accomplished in “years, not decades.” For some Wall Street analysts, the most relevant question is not whether Google can save the world, but whether the company’s idealism may ultimately distract it from its core businesses of organizing the world’s information and selling online ads. “My first reaction when I read about this was, ‘Is this a joke?’” said Jordan Rohan of RBC Capital Markets. “I’ve written off Google’s competition as a threat to Google’s long-term market share gains. But I haven’t written off Google’s own ability to stretch too far and try to do too much. Ultimately, that is the biggest risk in the Google story.” Robert Peck of Bear Stearns agreed that “the headlines were a little scary at first” and said investors were initially worried that this was another example of Google “trying to bite off more than they can chew.” But Google’s stock closed up more than 1 percent Tuesday in a higher market, Mr. Peck said, when investors ”realized this is more of a Google.org initiative and backed off.” Mr. Page, in an interview, said that failing to investigate new businesses could hurt Google more than any potential distraction. “If you look at companies that don’t do anything new,” he said, “they are guaranteed never to get bigger. They miss a lot of opportunities and they miss the next big things.” As part of the initiative, executives at Google.org said they are working with two companies that have “promising, scalable energy technologies.” One of these, eSolar, based in Pasadena, Calif., uses thousands of small mirrors to concentrate sunlight and generate steam that powers electric generators. The other, Makani Power of Alameda, Calif., is developing wind turbines that will run on powerful and generally more predictable winds at high altitudes. In a conference call Tuesday with reporters, Sergey Brin, Google’s other founder and president of technology, said the effort was motivated in part by the company’s frustrating search for clean, cheap energy alternatives. “It’s very hard to find options that aren’t coal-based or other dirty technologies,” he said. “We don’t feel good about being in that situation as a company. We feel hypocritical. We want to make investments happen so there will be alternatives for us to use down the road.” Both founders declined to specify what the company now spends on energy. Idealism is hardly new at Google. In their Letter From the Founders before the company’s 2004 initial public stock offering, Mr. Page and Mr. Brin wrote: “Our goal is to develop services that significantly improve the lives of as many people as possible. In pursuing this goal, we may do things that we believe have a positive impact on the world, even if the near-term financial returns are not obvious.” Mr. Rohan of RBC Capital Markets said that the returns were not obvious. “The only positive byproduct of this project that would be anything other than environmental,” he said, “is that it might make Google managers and executives even prouder of the fact that they work there, and it may help retain key employees who think their goal is to do good in the world. But I’m really stretching.” Google is only the latest Fortune 500 company to embrace green technologies. Also Tuesday, Hewlett-Packard said it would install a one-megawatt solar electric power system at its manufacturing plant in San Diego, and buy 80 gigawatt-hours of wind energy in Ireland next year. H.P. said that together, the agreements would save it around $800,000 in energy costs.

Source: The New York Times

panchoman · Nov 28, 2007, 12:47 AM

good going google

with google's cash , we can expect something good out of this, but now google has really expanded way out of its original niche, not that i mind. google FTW

HookeyStreet · Nov 28, 2007, 12:56 AM

Google is taking one more step towards global domination mwhahahahahahahah

Ravenas · Nov 28, 2007, 01:00 AM

WTF GOOGLE.

Next thing you know Google will be investigating how to create tropical islands.

panchoman · Nov 28, 2007, 01:01 AM

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Originally Posted by Ravenas

Next thing you know Google will be investigating how to create tropical islands.

but we already know how to create tropical islands...

FatForester · Nov 28, 2007, 01:02 AM

I think it's funny how things like this are viewed as "controlling climate change". Seriously, if the Earth's climate is going to change, there's not a damned thing we can do to stop it! I'm all for helping the environment, but when people think they're doing it because they're going to "fight global warming", that's just dumb.

Anyway, GO GOOGLE! It's really funny how far technology has gone and that we're still dependent on coal and oil. Hopefully they can turn that around.. it'll be really interesting to see what they come up with, especially considering their near-unlimited resources.

Ketxxx · Nov 28, 2007, 01:02 AM

Go google gadget arm go!

panchoman · Nov 28, 2007, 01:04 AM

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Originally Posted by FatForester

I think it's funny how things like this are viewed as "controlling climate change". Seriously, if the Earth's climate is going to change, there's not a damned thing we can do to stop it! I'm all for helping the environment, but when people think they're doing it because they're going to "fight global warming", that's just dumb.

Anyway, GO GOOGLE! It's really funny how far technology has gone and that we're still dependent on coal and oil. Hopefully they can turn that around.. it'll be really interesting to see what they come up with, especially considering their near-unlimited resources.

china can and does control the weather...

Ravenas · Nov 28, 2007, 01:06 AM

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Originally Posted by panchoman

but we already know how to create tropical islands...

I hope your not serious.

panchoman · Nov 28, 2007, 01:08 AM

well you just create an artifical island, give it artificial landscapes, import some tropical trees and animals, let them breed, you've got a tropical island, its not that terribly hard, teenisland is based on a similiar concept

Ravenas · Nov 28, 2007, 01:09 AM

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Originally Posted by panchoman

well you just create an artifical island, give it artificial landscapes, import some tropical trees and animals, let them breed, you've got a tropical island, its not that terribly hard, teenisland is based on a similiar concept

Lol, have fun creating a land mass in the middle of the ocean!

panchoman · Nov 28, 2007, 01:14 AM

its not that hard, its been done over and over again,

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Artificial_island
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Palm_Islands
japans kansai airport, the means of artificial land making was used to extend the area to accomodate bigger runways and what not

ktr · Nov 28, 2007, 01:17 AM

Turd powered cars ftw!

PVTCaboose1337 · Nov 28, 2007, 01:35 AM

Google = Umbrella Corp

I am correct and you know it!

panchoman · Nov 28, 2007, 01:36 AM

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Originally Posted by PVTCaboose1337

Google = Umbrella Corp

I am correct and you know it!

i wouldn't mind google being a big part of our lives, cause google is good about it, all of their products are completely kick ass

Ravenas · Nov 28, 2007, 01:52 AM

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Originally Posted by panchoman

i wouldn't mind google being a big part of our lives, cause google is good about it, all of their products are completely kick ass

If google were part of our lives, we would be advertisement drones.

F-22 · Nov 28, 2007, 03:17 AM

Nuclear power is the answer to all of our problems. It has zero emmissions, and could be used to convert sea water into hydrogen for our cars - which would also have zero emmissions.

The same people that are fighting coal fired power plants are the same people who fought against nuclear power 30 years ago - resulting in mass coal fired plants. Solar and Wind are not a reliable or viable answers to replacing coal plants.

Let's consider what would happen if we replace all coal plants with wind energy.... there'd be less wind, and that would cause climate change....... go figure.

Polaris573 · Nov 28, 2007, 03:19 AM

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Originally Posted by F-22

Let's consider what would happen if we replace all coal plants with wind energy.... there'd be less wind, and that would cause climate change....... go figure.

That would take an inconceivable amount of windmills to have anything other than a localized effect.

panchoman · Nov 28, 2007, 03:19 AM

oh right, and then when something goes wrong, we can cover everything within a 25 mile radius with nuclear radiation, sounds great!

Polaris573 · Nov 28, 2007, 03:25 AM

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Originally Posted by panchoman

oh right, and then when something goes wrong, we can cover everything within a 25 mile radius with nuclear radiation, sounds great!

That is an ill-informed, outdated way of thinking about nuclear power. Several advanced reactor designs, such as pebble bed reactors, offer vastly improved safety over traditional reactors currently operating in the United States. The main drawback to nuclear power is not safety, but the deadly waste it produces. No one has yet to come up with a viable way to deal with nuclear waste.

Ravenas · Nov 28, 2007, 03:27 AM

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oh right, and then when something goes wrong, we can cover everything within a 25 mile radius with nuclear radiation, sounds great!

The chances of that happening now are so small, trust me, I hear about it constantly my mom is a nuclear engineer.

hat · Nov 28, 2007, 03:49 AM

Launch nuclear waste into space...

AphexDreamer · Nov 28, 2007, 04:05 AM

Yeah guys, let not forget Chernobyl. Despite the idiotic causes that lead to the mass deadly effect for most countrys around that area, if Nuclear Power can be controlled, sustained and stableized then it would serve as a viable source of energy, ignoring the fact(as someone else stated eariler) that nuclear waste is extremly harmful and will remain on this earth for decades and decades to come with no way (as of today) to properly dispose of it.

I personaly would lean more toward useing Solar Power or some other sort of self gernerating electrical circuit that can produce zero resistance useing superconductivity.

Imagine having a generator roating at the will of a motor, which is inturn being powered by the very own generator it is roating. Having such a setup as this one would mean a self sustaining power sourse. However their is a major flaw with such a setup as this one, all electrical current produces heat and with that heat power is lost, so in order for such a power source to be fesable, man kind would first have to find a way to reach absoult zero out of a laboratory and in some sort of "power plant".

Hopefully google will discover some new source of renewable energy that will shock the world. Also, I think I read someones post saying that having to many windmills would lead to less less wind

, you have got to be joking and to someone else who said that "their isn't a damn thing we can do about the climate changing", I have to strongly disagree with that comment, for many oveous reasons.

F-22 · Nov 28, 2007, 04:09 AM

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Originally Posted by Polaris573

That would take an inconceivable amount of windmills to have anything other than a localized effect.

Yea, but you'd need an inconceivable amount of wind towers to replace ALL coal fired energy.

Quote:

Originally Posted by panchoman

oh right, and then when something goes wrong, we can cover everything within a 25 mile radius with nuclear radiation, sounds great!

That's exactly their argument... like what happened in russia like 20 years ago. You know, 80% of France is nuclear powered - and they're a left-wing socialist state.

What are you libs more afraid of - A possible, yet not probable meltdown, or the global catastrophe crisis infernal ball of hellfire death that is man-made global warming?

Quote:

Originally Posted by Polaris573

No one has yet to come up with a viable way to deal with nuclear waste.

Bombs.

Quote:

Originally Posted by AphexDreamer

Imagine having a generator roating at the will of a motor, which is inturn being powered by the very own generator it is roating. Having such a setup as this one would mean a self sustaining power sourse. However their is a major flaw with such a setup as this one, all electrical current produces heat and with that heat power is lost, so in order for such a power source to be fesable, man kind would first have to find a way to reach absoult zero out of a laboratory and in some sort of "power plant".

Dude... you remind me of my lib-aunt who told me that cars should have a windmill on top of them to collect energy and help power the car........

Ravenas · Nov 28, 2007, 04:18 AM

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Originally Posted by F-22

Yea, but you'd need an inconceivable amount of wind towers to replace ALL coal fired energy.

That's exactly their argument... like what happened in russia like 20 years ago. You know, 80% of France is nuclear powered - and they're a left-wing socialist state.

Bombs.

Wow.

You wouldn't be using all windmills because you would also have a mixture of solar/nuclear/hydroelectric/waste energy, also the new Hydrogen fuel cells.

That incident happened in Russia because there were practically no safety standards in Russia.

Bombs aren't the solution, we need to find an actual use for nuclear waste besides killing people.

Nov 28, 2007, 12:45 AM	#1
Polaris573 Senior Moderator Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Little Rock, USA Posts: 3,284 (1.09/day) Thanks: 68 Thanked 765 Times in 451 Posts System Specs	Google Plans to Investigate and Develop Renewable Energy Google announced Tuesday that it intended to develop and help stimulate the creation of renewable energy technologies that are cheaper than coal-generated power. Google said it would spend hundreds of millions of dollars, part of that to hire engineers and energy experts to investigate alternative energies like solar, geothermal and wind power. The effort is aimed at reducing Google’s own mounting energy costs to run its vast data centers, while also fighting climate change and helping to reduce the world’s dependence on fossil fuels. “We see technologies we think can mature into very capable industries that can generate electricity cheaper than coal,” said Larry Page, a Google founder and president of products, “and we don’t see people talking about that as much as we would like.” The initiative will be based in Google’s research and development group. The company also said that Google.org, the philanthropic for-profit subsidiary that Google seeded in 2004 with three million shares of its stock, would invest in energy start-ups. Google says its goal is to produce one gigawatt of renewable energy — enough to power the city of San Francisco — more cheaply than coal-generated electricity. The company predicted that this can be accomplished in “years, not decades.” For some Wall Street analysts, the most relevant question is not whether Google can save the world, but whether the company’s idealism may ultimately distract it from its core businesses of organizing the world’s information and selling online ads. “My first reaction when I read about this was, ‘Is this a joke?’” said Jordan Rohan of RBC Capital Markets. “I’ve written off Google’s competition as a threat to Google’s long-term market share gains. But I haven’t written off Google’s own ability to stretch too far and try to do too much. Ultimately, that is the biggest risk in the Google story.” Robert Peck of Bear Stearns agreed that “the headlines were a little scary at first” and said investors were initially worried that this was another example of Google “trying to bite off more than they can chew.” But Google’s stock closed up more than 1 percent Tuesday in a higher market, Mr. Peck said, when investors ”realized this is more of a Google.org initiative and backed off.” Mr. Page, in an interview, said that failing to investigate new businesses could hurt Google more than any potential distraction. “If you look at companies that don’t do anything new,” he said, “they are guaranteed never to get bigger. They miss a lot of opportunities and they miss the next big things.” As part of the initiative, executives at Google.org said they are working with two companies that have “promising, scalable energy technologies.” One of these, eSolar, based in Pasadena, Calif., uses thousands of small mirrors to concentrate sunlight and generate steam that powers electric generators. The other, Makani Power of Alameda, Calif., is developing wind turbines that will run on powerful and generally more predictable winds at high altitudes. In a conference call Tuesday with reporters, Sergey Brin, Google’s other founder and president of technology, said the effort was motivated in part by the company’s frustrating search for clean, cheap energy alternatives. “It’s very hard to find options that aren’t coal-based or other dirty technologies,” he said. “We don’t feel good about being in that situation as a company. We feel hypocritical. We want to make investments happen so there will be alternatives for us to use down the road.” Both founders declined to specify what the company now spends on energy. Idealism is hardly new at Google. In their Letter From the Founders before the company’s 2004 initial public stock offering, Mr. Page and Mr. Brin wrote: “Our goal is to develop services that significantly improve the lives of as many people as possible. In pursuing this goal, we may do things that we believe have a positive impact on the world, even if the near-term financial returns are not obvious.” Mr. Rohan of RBC Capital Markets said that the returns were not obvious. “The only positive byproduct of this project that would be anything other than environmental,” he said, “is that it might make Google managers and executives even prouder of the fact that they work there, and it may help retain key employees who think their goal is to do good in the world. But I’m really stretching.” Google is only the latest Fortune 500 company to embrace green technologies. Also Tuesday, Hewlett-Packard said it would install a one-megawatt solar electric power system at its manufacturing plant in San Diego, and buy 80 gigawatt-hours of wind energy in Ireland next year. H.P. said that together, the agreements would save it around $800,000 in energy costs. Source: The New York Times

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panchoman Sold my stars! Join Date: Jul 2007 Posts: 6,650 (3.11/day) Thanks: 339 Thanked 1,227 Times in 1,036 Posts System Specs	its not that hard, its been done over and over again, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Artificial_island http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Palm_Islands japans kansai airport, the means of artificial land making was used to extend the area to accomodate bigger runways and what not __________________ Need any Graphics Made? Visit Graphic Artists United! R.I.P Megan--Heaven has a new angel

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F-22 Banned Join Date: Nov 2007 Posts: 73 (0.04/day) Thanks: 11 Thanked 7 Times in 6 Posts	Nuclear power is the answer to all of our problems. It has zero emmissions, and could be used to convert sea water into hydrogen for our cars - which would also have zero emmissions. The same people that are fighting coal fired power plants are the same people who fought against nuclear power 30 years ago - resulting in mass coal fired plants. Solar and Wind are not a reliable or viable answers to replacing coal plants. Let's consider what would happen if we replace all coal plants with wind energy.... there'd be less wind, and that would cause climate change....... go figure.

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Nov 28, 2007, 04:05 AM	#23
AphexDreamer Eligible for custom title Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: C:\Program Files (x86)\Aphexdreamer\ Posts: 5,614 (2.59/day) Thanks: 812 Thanked 888 Times in 674 Posts System Specs	Yeah guys, let not forget Chernobyl. Despite the idiotic causes that lead to the mass deadly effect for most countrys around that area, if Nuclear Power can be controlled, sustained and stableized then it would serve as a viable source of energy, ignoring the fact(as someone else stated eariler) that nuclear waste is extremly harmful and will remain on this earth for decades and decades to come with no way (as of today) to properly dispose of it. I personaly would lean more toward useing Solar Power or some other sort of self gernerating electrical circuit that can produce zero resistance useing superconductivity. Imagine having a generator roating at the will of a motor, which is inturn being powered by the very own generator it is roating. Having such a setup as this one would mean a self sustaining power sourse. However their is a major flaw with such a setup as this one, all electrical current produces heat and with that heat power is lost, so in order for such a power source to be fesable, man kind would first have to find a way to reach absoult zero out of a laboratory and in some sort of "power plant". Hopefully google will discover some new source of renewable energy that will shock the world. Also, I think I read someones post saying that having to many windmills would lead to less less wind, you have got to be joking and to someone else who said that "their isn't a damn thing we can do about the climate changing", I have to strongly disagree with that comment, for many oveous reasons. __________________ Sent from my PC using chrome.

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