Thermaltake Armor VA8003BWS Black FULL TOWER ENTHUSIAST CASE 49.00 after a rebate

[Hawk1]

Originally Posted by trt740

Hey hawk if I remove the fan is there still a grate covering the hole or Will there just be a giant hole there?

Hang on, I'll check shortly and post back.

[trt740]

Originally Posted by Hawk1

Hang on, I'll check shortly and post back.

I mean on the outside of the case when the fan is removed is there a big whole in the side of the case or is there a grate built into the side of the case that the fan mounts on.

[Hawk1]

Originally Posted by trt740

I mean on the outside of the case when the fan is removed is there a big whole in the side of the case or is there a grate built into the side of the case that the fan mounts on.

There is a metal grate that looks like it is only held in place by the fan. It is seperate from the fan and side panel, but is pressed against the panel by the fan, which is screwed into the plexi around it. I think if you remove the fan, the grate will come off, with nothing to hold it in, so you would have a big 25cm hole in the side (unless its glued in place, but I don't think so).

[trt740]

Originally Posted by Hawk1

There is a metal grate that looks like it is only held in place by the fan. It is seperate from the fan and side panel, but is pressed against the panel by the fan, which is screwed into the plexi around it. I think if you remove the fan, the grate will come off, with nothing to hold it in, so you would have a big 25cm hole in the side (unless its glued in place, but I don't think so).

I wonder can you use the screws from fan to hold the grate on?

[trt740]

Originally Posted by trt740

I wonder can you use the screws from fan to hold the grate on?

Or maybe a little super glue but I wonder if that would look bad.

[Hawk1]

Originally Posted by trt740

Or maybe a little super glue but I wonder if that would look bad.

Superglue may work. The grate is inset into the side panel and 2/3 is covered/inset to the aluminum/steel on the side (have a look at the pic). If you just superglue the part that is covered by the AL/Steel, it should look fine on the ouside, even if it gets messy inside.

[trt740]

hate to sell my extreme but this ones near as good thinking of trying but the fuxxker cost as much as my exstreme did LOL

[trt740]

Originally Posted by trt740

hate to sell my extreme but this ones near as good thinking of trying but the fuxxker cost as much as my exstreme did LOL

but it is 50mm shorter

[Judas]

Originally Posted by trt740

Or maybe a little super glue but I wonder if that would look bad.

Or just use shorter bolts to hold the grill on

[Hawk1]

Originally Posted by Judas

Or just use shorter bolts to hold the grill on

There are no bolts holding the grill on, only the fan to the plexi around the grill. Once you remove the fan, the grill will come out with nothing holding it. You could try screwing the grill on, but would require drilling holes in the plexi and alum/steel panel.

[trt740]

Originally Posted by trt740

Hey Hawk that cooler is only a 118 mm tall and the ultra extreme is 160 mm so it should fit thx for all your help.

frosty tech rates it as the 6th best cpu cooler made and with a scythe fan and a 250 mm fan blowing on it it should do well. I just have to sell My TRUE darnit.

[trt740]

Originally Posted by trt740

beacuse i cannot figure out what the hell the T.T measurements are


http://www.virtual-hideout.net/revie...X/index2.shtml read this review tell me what ya think it a good looking device and Well and I would think it is smaller height wise than both the T.R.U.E and Tun. Tower by a bunch. On Tun web site they list the tower as 108 mm H and the they list a D measurement of 153mm which I think is the total height since I think it is really just slightly smaller than the TRUE which is 160. No way is a T.T. 108 mm tall come ome on. Then they list it as 15.5cm tall ? which would be 155mm correct? read it and see very confusing http://www.tuniq.com.tw/Cooler%20Info/Tower-120.htm I cannot figure it out and thats why I'm not buying it T.T and I'm getting this one. The new cooler is 118 mm should fit in my new armor case with the 250mm side fan on. I will test my current set up with my everyday load in this case with th T.R.U.E. and then with the new case and cpu cooler listed above and report back and tell you, one if it fits, and two how well it cools.

[trt740]

what the heck kinda confusing shit is this 131mm (W) x 108mm (H) x 153mm (D)

Tower 120 Height : 15.5 cm they don't match

[Judas]

Originally Posted by Hawk1

There are no bolts holding the grill on, only the fan to the plexi around the grill. Once you remove the fan, the grill will come out with nothing holding it. You could try screwing the grill on, but would require drilling holes in the plexi and alum/steel panel.

Yes i just checked my case ,i reckon the grill will stay on on its own even though the fan has been removed.

Edit: And if it does not stay on then hot glue it.

[intel igent]

Originally Posted by trt740

what the heck kinda confusing shit is this 131mm (W) x 108mm (H) x 153mm (D)

Tower 120 Height : 15.5 cm they don't match

typo?

[Judas]

just took a few measurements from my TT from the base of the mobo to the Plexiglass on the inside of the door its 184mm (with no fan installed) then take off a bit for the cpu

[trt740]

Originally Posted by Judas

just took a few measurements from my TT from the base of the mobo to the Plexiglass on the inside of the door its 184mm (with no fan installed) then take off a bit for the cpu

they just don't know how to measure lol it's 153 mm tall .I'm getting the smaller heatsink above it should be better than the Ultra with the side fan on.

[trt740]

Man I love this case I didn't realize all the wire management places you can hide wires they even left a gap behind the motherboard so you can hide your PSU cords you not using. Also to follow up it appears it is exactly 160mm from motherboard to 250 fan casing so anything smaller than a Thermalright Ultra Extreme or Ultra non Extreme 120 will fit.

[Kreij]

I switched from the Scythe Mine to the Nirvana. Both fit fine in the case, but I liked the look of the Nirvana better (and it cools better).

The only problem I have at the moment is that the sata cables I have are too short to hide and they make the inside look messy.

Still love the case. Especially the USB ports on top. I can plug stuff in and not worry about walking past it an bumping them.

[Live OR Die]

thats my case there selling them off cheap now because of the Armor+ im upgrading to the new Armor way better cooling a made for watter cooling

[Judas]

Originally Posted by Live OR Die

thats my case there selling them off cheap now because of the Armor+ im upgrading to the new Armor way better cooling a made for watter cooling

I' ve got the same one in the picture but air cooling version on order, the Armor+ is even better than the Armor

[trt740]

Originally Posted by trt740

I'm not sure what you mean, it doesn't have way better cooling and the older version also comes prefabed for water cooling . My case has 2x120 mm fans (blue leds), 1x 250mm side, 2x92mm fans (one with blue leds) , 120mm PSU fan plus(Blue Led) and the Zerotherm 98cf cpu fan (blue Leds). It comes predrilled for water cooling ,heck it even has holes in the bottom of the case so air can come up thru the base. It will take BtX,ATX, Micro ATX motherboards and has a removable extra hardrive cage next to the pus for even more add ons and can have up to 3 X120mm case fans mount just in the front., it has so many damn fans on high it vibrates my desk. My case comes with a cleaning shammy, brushed silver steel case lugs and a storge drawer. What more could you want. This case is all steel and strong as hell and a large portion of the new case is made of plastic. For 49.00 you cannot even come close to this case.

Here is a link to it and all the add ones http://thermaltakeusa.com/product/Ch.../va8003bws.asp



I personally like the Armor + but it doesn't cool better than the Armor, there is such a thing as too many fans. I don't like the Armor+ top it cheaply made,I do like it's increased width, but for the value the Armor is the better buy. The Armor + is a great case and looks cool but costs 200.00+

[Xaser04]

I have found my Armour to me a fantastic case (I have the VE2000 LCS (liquid cooling system)) so mine is identical however I got it with the water cooling setup included. (240mm rad at front)

Mine doesn't have the side fan though.

The only minus points I can think of at the moment is the sheer weight of the thing means moving it about it a PITA (its 22kg empty or more like 30kg as mine is setup)

Also the water cooling setup has the pump and resevoir attached to eachother (although I think you can detach them) which makes installing it and twin 8800GTX practically impossible due to the fitting locations on the floor of the case (hence why I have downgraded to a G92 GTS so I can do SLI).

[Judas]

Originally Posted by trt740

I'm not sure what you mean, it doesn't have way better cooling and the older version also comes prefabed for water cooling . My case has 2x120 mm fans (blue leds), 1x 250mm side, 2x92mm fans (one with blue leds) , 120mm PSU fan plus(Blue Led) and the Zerotherm 98cf cpu fan (blue Leds). I comes predrilled for water cooling ,heck it even has holes in the bottom of the case so air can come up thru the base. It will take BtX,ATX, has a removable extra hardrive cage next to the pus for even more add ons and can have up to 3 X120mm case fans mount just in the front., it has so many damn fans on high it vibrates my desk. My case comes with a cleaning shammy, brushed silver steel case lugs and a storge drawer. What more could you want. This case is all steel and strong as hell and a large portion of the new case is made of plastic. For 49.00 you cannot even come close to this case.

I think you need to READ my post, no where on there does it say it has better cooling.
The Armor + is only a newer version some the faults of the Armor have been fixed
I know the in's and out's of the Armor i have had one for about 3 years
Its the same bulid as the armor only slightly bigger even the armor has plastic up top(not as much but still has)
over here the ARMOR costs 169 e the ARMOR + costs 174e


The ARMOR is a good case but so is the ARMOR +

http://www.thermaltake.com/product/C.../vh6000bws.asp

Case Type

Super Tower
Dimension (H*W*D)

600 x 245 x 625 mm (23.6 x 9.6 x 24.6 inch)
Net Weight

16.8kg(37.0lb)
Side Panel

Transparent window
Sliding Motherboard Tray

Yes
Cable Management


Yes
Sliding hood

Yes
Adjustable PSU bridge

Yes
Material

Front door: Aluminum/ Chassis: 1.0mm SECC
Color

Black
Cooling System


- Front (intake) :
140 x 140 x 25mm blue LED fan, 1000rpm, 16dBA or
120 x 120 x 25mm fan
- Rear (exhaust) :
120 x 120 x25 mm TurboFan, 1300rpm, 17dBA
- Side (intake) :
230 x 230 x 20mm blue LED fan, 800rpm, 15dBA
- Bottom (intake) :
Two 140 x 140 mm fans (optional) or
Two 120 x 120mm fans (optional)
- VGA (intake) :
140 x 140 x 25mm fan 1000rpm, 16dBA or
120 x 120 x 25mm fan(optional)
Motherboards

9.6” x 9.6” (Micro ATX), 12” x 9.6” (ATX), 12” x 13” (Extend ATX)
Drive Bays
-5.25” Drive Bay
-3.5” Drive Bay
-3.5” Drive Bay(Hidden)


7
1(Converted from one 5.25” drive bay)
7
Front I/O

e-SATA connector x 1, USB2.0 x 4, IEEE 1394 Firewire x 1, HD Audio
Expansion Slots

10

[trt740]

Originally Posted by Judas

I think you need to READ my post, no where on there does it say it has better cooling.
The Armor + is only a newer version some the faults of the Armor have been fixed
I know the in's and out's of the Armor i have had one for about 3 years
Its the same bulid as the armor only slightly bigger even the armor has plastic up top(not as much but still has)
over here the ARMOR costs 169 e the ARMOR + costs 174e


The ARMOR is a good case but so is the ARMOR +

http://www.thermaltake.com/product/C.../vh6000bws.asp

Case Type

Super Tower
Dimension (H*W*D)

600 x 245 x 625 mm (23.6 x 9.6 x 24.6 inch)
Net Weight

16.8kg(37.0lb)
Side Panel

Transparent window
Sliding Motherboard Tray

Yes
Cable Management


Yes
Sliding hood

Yes
Adjustable PSU bridge

Yes
Material

Front door: Aluminum/ Chassis: 1.0mm SECC
Color

Black
Cooling System


- Front (intake) :
140 x 140 x 25mm blue LED fan, 1000rpm, 16dBA or
120 x 120 x 25mm fan
- Rear (exhaust) :
120 x 120 x25 mm TurboFan, 1300rpm, 17dBA
- Side (intake) :
230 x 230 x 20mm blue LED fan, 800rpm, 15dBA
- Bottom (intake) :
Two 140 x 140 mm fans (optional) or
Two 120 x 120mm fans (optional)
- VGA (intake) :
140 x 140 x 25mm fan 1000rpm, 16dBA or
120 x 120 x 25mm fan(optional)
Motherboards

9.6” x 9.6” (Micro ATX), 12” x 9.6” (ATX), 12” x 13” (Extend ATX)
Drive Bays
-5.25” Drive Bay
-3.5” Drive Bay
-3.5” Drive Bay(Hidden)


7
1(Converted from one 5.25” drive bay)
7
Front I/O

e-SATA connector x 1, USB2.0 x 4, IEEE 1394 Firewire x 1, HD Audio
Expansion Slots

10

the Armor has about 3 inches of plastic the Armor plus , the entire top is plastic. You need to read the title of this thread 49.00 for a armor. If I had wanted to buy a 200.00 case I might have bought a Armor + or a Cosmos but for 49.00 a Armor is a much better deal. Also the new Armor+ is so wide it won't fit in alot of computer desks mine included. the Armor is already a monster case.