Radeon HD 3450, 3470 and 3650 Pictures and Specs

[Jimmy 2004]

MADBOXPC.COM claims to have some pictures and specs for AMD’s upcoming Radeon HD 3450, 3470 and 3650 graphics cards. The HD 3450, pictured below on the left, uses the RV620 core manufactured using a 55nm process. It will have a core clock of 525MHz with 256MB of 64-bit DDR2 memory running at 800MHz DDR, and apparently it will also feature a DisplayPort output – the price is expected to be around $50. The HD 3470, shown in the middle, features the same RV620 core, although it is expected to run at above 600MHz and have 512MB of 64-bit GDDR3 memory running at 1000MHz DDR, with a price tag of around $60. Finally, the HD 3650, which is shown below on the right, is equipped with the RV635 core, which is also built using a 55nm process, and will run at 800MHz on the XT version and 600MHz on the Pro version. The card is expected to have 256-512MB of 128-bit GDDR3 memory running at 2GHz DDR, and will sell for about $100. Interestingly, there is no mention of DisplayPort despite earlier reports that it will feature on the card, so it may only be used on certain versions.



Source: MADBOXPC.COM

[Xaser04]

These are just die shrunk HD2400/2600 arn't they?! (although having the extra features from DX10.1 which is a moot point with these cards)

The RV620 sounds interesting for a HTPC build.

[crow1001]

Yeah, think 2000 series but on a 55nm process.

[EastCoasthandle]

Originally Posted by Xaser04

These are just die shrunk HD2400/2600 arn't they?! (although having the extra features from DX10.1 which is a moot point with these cards)

The RV620 sounds interesting for a HTPC build.

I think they are a low bin of the 3800 but we will see eventually.
But something like this in the market should earn ATI revenue. There are a lot of people with PCs that don't play games.

[btarunr]

Rebadged HD2000 series.

Gosh! The engineers at ATi have completely lost sense of innovation. Each time ATi moved a series forward it brought in a significant amount of architectural changes. Looks like their think-tank is going empty now. Other than a change in the fabrication process, there's nothing new in this. The R670 is merely R600 after some liposuction. R680 is two R670's with a "Malcom in the middle" lane arbiter. And now this.

The R620 looks a candy, when planning for HTPCs. As long as ATi products stay lower in price than equivalent NV products, irrespective of their being #2 with performance, a lot of people could actually choose these, people with the general home entertainment, photo/video editing, with an occasional bit of gaming thrown in.

[Grings]

One thing to consider is the claims that directx10.1 can do 4x anti aliasing at 'no performance penalty', while i dont believe this until i see it, if it works then the 3650 might be quite good at lower resolutions (1024x768 would be a lot more bearable at 4xAA)

[rhythmeister]

That 3450 looks like a smashing HTPC card and the price is bonkers if it translates to around £25 in the UK...but I severely doubt it! AGP flavour would be nice for the sexy Qbic too

[EastCoasthandle]

Originally Posted by rhythmeister

That 3450 looks like a smashing HTPC card and the price is bonkers if it translates to around £25 in the UK...but I severely doubt it! AGP flavour would be nice for the sexy Qbic too

Exactly, ATI finally realizes that the enthusiasts market alone can't sustain any company in the long run. This should allow folk to finally consider PCIe as an upgrade path from AGP

[EastCoasthandle]

Originally Posted by btarunr

Rebadged HD2000 series.

Gosh! The engineers at ATi have completely lost sense of innovation. Each time ATi moved a series forward it brought in a significant amount of architectural changes. Looks like their think-tank is going empty now. Other than a change in the fabrication process, there's nothing new in this. The R670 is merely R600 after some liposuction. R680 is two R670's with a "Malcom in the middle" lane arbiter. And now this.

The R620 looks a candy, when planning for HTPCs. As long as ATi products stay lower in price than equivalent NV products, irrespective of their being #2 with performance, a lot of people could actually choose these, people with the general home entertainment, photo/video editing, with an occasional bit of gaming thrown in.

Btarunr,
What you are saying really doesn't make sense. They are simply using an existing GPU (that works well for what it does at a decent price) for the discrete market. There is no reason for them to innovate a brand new GPU for that . Honestly, I don't see new architecture from Nvidia when you compare their lower end parts. Heck, I don't see any real innovation going from G80 to G92

What am I saying? If it works, it works...like the old saying goes if it's not broke don't fix it!

[btarunr]

Originally Posted by EastCoasthandle

Heck, I don't see any real innovation going from G80 to G92
What am I saying? If it works, it works...like the old saying goes if it's not broke don't fix it!

Sure the G92 is merely a fab-shift from G80 which is why they're placed in the same series, the GeForce 8000 series. At least NV kept it a little more logical. They didn't go on to make a 8850 GTS, and instead kept the name 8800 GTS (G92) because they thought it's the same architecture so why change the lineup? ATi? well the entire HD2000 series with slimming capsules = HD 3000 series.

Append: Broke? The HD2000 series is broke, my friend. It has to be fixed, big time. Taking of innovating new architectures: Remember the X1800 and X1900? They were the same series. X1800 came after the GF 7800 and when ATI found it had failed, they quickly innovated the spanking new X1900 which beat the GF 7800 to pulp.

[EastCoasthandle]

Originally Posted by btarunr

Sure the G92 is merely a fab-shift from G80 which is why they're placed in the same series, the GeForce 8000 series. At least NV kept it a little more logical. They didn't go on to make a 8850 GTS, and instead kept the name 8800 GTS (G92) because they thought it's the same architecture so why change the lineup? ATi? well the entire HD2000 series with slimming capsules = HD 3000 series.

Append: Broke? The HD2000 series is broke, my friend. It has to be fixed, big time.

This make absolutely no sense at all. What you imply is that you prefer how Nvidia conducts business...only. Any other business strategy you down play which makes what you post bias. There is no statistical data that suggest what ATI doing is wrong with this line up of video cards. Therefore, there is no need to blow so much hot air about it.

Also, the HD2900 series was not broke. It did well for what it offered. Besides, this only compounds your none sense as we are discussing the 3800 series in this article not the HD2000 which is EOL.

[btarunr]

I'm not being biased or blowing hot air. If it doesn't take a Stephen Hawking to make you understand, here goes:

It hurts me too that ATI lost the killer-instinct it used to have. It used to compete aggressively with NV and a result of that was that the industry was advancing faster and relatively better products were churned out. I am not expressing bias but just telling that if ATI failed with its HD2000 series, the least they could've done was to make sure they came back. Sure you have sales figures to suggest the lower-end cards to sell good, but an awesome performance segment card from ATI would have a very positive impact on ATI's current outlook.

[EastCoasthandle]

Originally Posted by btarunr

I'm not being biased or blowing hot air. If it doesn't take a Stephen Hawking to make you understand, here goes:

It hurts me too that ATI lost the killer-instinct it used to have. It used to compete aggressively with NV and a result of that was that the industry was advancing faster and relatively better products were churned out as a result. I am not expressing bias but just telling that if ATI failed with its HD2000 series, the least they could've done was to make sure they came back. Sure you have sales figures to suggest the lower-end cards to sell good, but an awesome performance segment card from ATI would have a very positive impact on ATI's current outlook.

What you posting is off topic thus makes no sense. This is not about an enthusiast video card (which you are still implying here) but about discrete video card segment. This has nothing to do with the HD 2000 series nor does it have anything to do with any higher end part . This is why what you say makes no sense. It doesn't fit in the context of objects in question (the 3450, 3470 and 3650 series video cards).

It's off topic through your objection to ATI's business stragety without obtaining any data to support what you say.
It's off topic as you bring up a EOL HD 2000 series which was improved upon with the HD 3800 series (you don't talk about it...this is the point of the thread/article).
And, it's off topic because you want to blow hot air about an enthusiast video card in a discete video card thread.

Again, you are simply blowing hot air. We know that ATI will release a R680 and R700 next year which will be a higher end product. Therefore, nothing justify yours rant when we haven't seen what those products will do. Nor does your rant justify posting about ATI's high end prowls in a discrete video card thread.

[Jimmy 2004]

Ok guys, let's stop the arguing or one of the mods will close the thread. It's not achieving anything, and it's swayed off topic.

[btarunr]

Look, English is not my language but I'm trying my best to be legible. You're the one trying to complicate things.

What I mean while being 101% stuck to the topic is: A good performance card from ATI WILL boost the sales of these minnow cards as well because it would give the overall outlook of the company a boost.

An average Joe wanting to buy a cheap card for his 10yr old daughter, speaking to his coworker: "I was thinking about ATI Radeon, very good, very cheap"

Coworker: "No, NVidia makes the best cards in the industry, they also have good budget cards"

Avg Joe: "I see...NVidia, huh?"

[Murasame]

Originally Posted by btarunr

Look, English is not my language but I'm trying my best to be legible. You're the one trying to complicate things.

What I mean while being 101% stuck to the topic is: A good performance card from ATI WILL boost the sales of these minnow cards as well because it would give the overall outlook of the company a boost.

An average Joe wanting to buy a cheap card for his 10yr old daughter, speaking to his coworker: "I was thinking about ATI Radeon, very good, very cheap"

Coworker: "No, NVidia makes the best cards in the industry, they also have good budget cards"

Avg Joe: "I see...NVidia, huh?"

I would have to say this is not a very smart average joe then. Though as it is most aren't. I can see what you saying, but most of these lower end cards will be bought in huge numbers by pc makers.

[jydie]

Hmmm... not sure why the HD2600 is getting slammed. I have one and love it. It has worked so well, that I am looking forward to upgrading to the 3650. I paid $90 for my MSI 2600 Pro with DDR3 memory (it runs much faster then the normal DDR2 2600 Pro). The 2600 Pro runs at very cool temps and overclocks well. I honestly have no complaints about the card. Just as the 2600 Pro offers decent low to mid resolution gaming performance, I would expect these lower end HD3*** cards to be similiar... although, the die shrink may offer even lower operating temps and greater overclocking..

ATI may not have the best performing video card on the market... but I could care less because buying a high-end card is out of my budget and gaming needs. And is ATI foolish for ignoring that sector for now? I don't think so. How many Corvettes and Vipers do you see on the road compared to say Camrys, Accords, Malibus, etc.? ATI is going after the sector that sells the most video cards, and I think that is smart considering the financial troubles they are experiencing.

[btarunr]

Originally Posted by Murasame

I would have to say this is not a very smart average joe then. Though as it is most aren't. I can see what you saying, but most of these lower end cards will be bought in huge numbers by pc makers.

Not everyone is a tech-forum member and those who are just beginning to understand the importance of discrete graphics to the computer would think on the hypothetical average Joe's lines. Think of car mechanic, a busy banker, a busier doctor....catch my drift. Knowledgeable people's opinions count big time. If the guy next to you knows more than you, you'd begin to trust him.

As far as OEM parts go, NVidia has a fair share of it too.

[devguy]

Originally Posted by jydie

ATI may not have the best performing video card on the market... but I could care less because buying a high-end card is out of my budget and gaming needs. And is ATI foolish for ignoring that sector for now? I don't think so. How many Corvettes and Vipers do you see on the road compared to say Camrys, Accords, Malibus, etc.? ATI is going after the sector that sells the most video cards, and I think that is smart considering the financial troubles they are experiencing.

Exactly the argument I have. Nicely put. In fact, their next round of Camrys, Accords, etc will hopefully be cheaper for them to produce now that they are on the 55nm process.

[tvdang7]

why didnt they just up the clock speeds? im sure they can overclock well then.

[JrRacinFan]

I still think HD3650 would be a good for the midrange market with myself included. Go ATi!

PS: And I am not even a fanboy.

[hacker111]

Seems pretty cheap and pretty nifty.

[Urbklr]

I dont get it.....They have a 3450 and a 3470....but a 3650Pro and XT....Why not a 3650 and a 3670??? AMD are so stupid...IMO

[tvdang7]

Originally Posted by Urbklr911

I dont get it.....They have a 3450 and a 3470....but a 3650Pro and XT....Why not a 3650 and a 3670??? AMD are so stupid...IMO

dude i almost want to call u dumb but i could be wrong BUT ........... 50's mean pro 70's mean xt's . ati doesnt offcially use those xt , pro words anymore.

[Xolair]

Mmm, teh HD3650 looks nice. Hopefully it'd perform well too... would be disappointing to see it barely overcome a damn 2600 XT.