SAPPHIRE Announces AGP HD 3850 - Page 2

Makaveli · Jan 5, 2008, 07:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Jimmy 2004

What makes you think that?

He said that because if you ever trying installing vista on a Nforce3 board with a Dualcore CPU, you will not be able to get the videocard drivers installed. Its an issue Nvidia knows about, they however said if you want Vista support u need Nforce4 and up.

And I know this first hand cause I just upgraded my Neo 2 Platinum Nforce3 board + Dual Core Opteron and went PCI E.

Could never get Vista working correctly on previous board.

This is a good upgrade but if your sitting on a single core P4 lower than 3.2 Ghz you will be Cpu bottlenecked.

eidairaman1 · Jan 5, 2008, 07:54 PM

there is always a bottle neck no matter how you look at it, even the Fastest CPUs out still bottleneck.

Morgoth · Jan 5, 2008, 09:39 PM

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Originally Posted by eidairaman1

By the way Provide Proof Please

http://www.pctuner.net/news/7481/Vga...850_512MB_AGP/

eidairaman1 · Jan 5, 2008, 09:40 PM

sorry Morgoth
i wasnt talking about the hardware at that moment but the driver releases

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Originally Posted by Morgoth

http://www.pctuner.net/news/7481/Vga...850_512MB_AGP/

InnocentCriminal · Jan 5, 2008, 10:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Jimmy 2004

What makes you think that?

Quote:

Originally Posted by Makaveli

He said that because if you ever trying installing vista on a Nforce3 board with a Dualcore CPU, you will not be able to get the videocard drivers installed. Its an issue Nvidia knows about, they however said if you want Vista support u need Nforce4 and up.

The infamous Code 43 malarkey. I plan on having a bash at seeing if I can overcome it with my set up once I can be arsed to reformat and re-partition.

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there is always a bottle neck no matter how you look at it, even the Fastest CPUs out still bottleneck.

I would have thought having a stupidly fast CPU would be the least thing to bottleneck the system, what about the HDD(s) and the bus speeds?

intel igent · Jan 6, 2008, 12:41 AM

Sweet! Where to buy? Any 3870's slated for release?

I think its time I finally upgraded my gfx! How much longer are these compared to x850's?

Thnx!

Morgoth · Jan 6, 2008, 02:22 AM

still none in netherlands

eidairaman1 · Jan 6, 2008, 06:06 AM

Perhaps a Mod Bios is needed, but then again Drivers are abundant with the Unified Remix 11.16

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Originally Posted by InnocentCriminal

The infamous Code 43 malarkey. I plan on having a bash at seeing if I can overcome it with my set up once I can be arsed to reformat and re-partition.

I would have thought having a stupidly fast CPU would be the least thing to bottleneck the system, what about the HDD(s) and the bus speeds?

15th Warlock · Jan 6, 2008, 08:48 AM

There's no way in hell I'm getting the Sapphire version, can anyone tell me were to get the Powercolor AGP 3850?

ShadowFold · Jan 6, 2008, 08:57 AM

Imo AGP should die =/ what cpu WONT bottleneck that? Sure a AMD Opty at 3ghz would be ok but how many AGP users have one of those?

Morgoth · Jan 6, 2008, 01:17 PM

sapphire version is a bith faster then the powercolor version..

15th Warlock · Jan 6, 2008, 06:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Morgoth

sapphire version is a bith faster then the powercolor version..

Yes but: faster clocks + single slot cooler = a fried card in about 2 months FTW!

I bet you can get more OC from the Powercolor version at lower temps, besides after having two Sapphire cards die on me (one less than 24 hours after I got it from the egg...

) I promised myself never to buy one of their cards again

Scrizz · Jan 6, 2008, 07:19 PM

Sapphire's been good w/me

eidairaman1 · Jan 6, 2008, 07:58 PM

what is the true operating frequency of the 3850?

InnocentCriminal · Jan 6, 2008, 08:01 PM

D'you mean the default clock speed for the PCIe 3850 compared to the AGP version?

The default speed for the 3850 (PCIe) is 670MHz, the 3870 is 775MHz...

eidairaman1 · Jan 6, 2008, 08:20 PM

well aslong as im not paying more for a preoverclocked card im fine with it, but if it costs more than the other 3850s ill go with the ones that are stock clocked and just push the performance out myself, as its obvious that sapphire doesnt get all the cream of crop chips.

eidairaman1 · Jan 6, 2008, 08:27 PM

http://www.powercolor.com/Global/pro...ProductID=1730

http://www.powercolor.com/Global/pro...ProductID=1636

http://www.powercolor.com/Global/pro...ProductID=1635

Seems that Arctic Cooling has lost their Touch as i dont see their Coolers used really anymore beyond HIS (ICEQ line)

Morgoth · Jan 6, 2008, 08:30 PM

i get my self sapphire agp version and put a waterblock on it

Assimilator · Jan 6, 2008, 09:29 PM

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Originally Posted by ShadowFold

Imo AGP should die =/ what cpu WONT bottleneck that? Sure a AMD Opty at 3ghz would be ok but how many AGP users have one of those?

Agreed... the best processors available for AGP-based motherboards are S939 Opteron X2s, and I reckon even one of those would bottleneck an X1950, nevermind an HD 3850.

eidairaman1 · Jan 6, 2008, 10:04 PM

i would assume your Opty Bottlenecks the 7950GX2 you have there right

InnocentCriminal · Jan 6, 2008, 11:23 PM

Where does everyone get their information on what CPU will bottleneck what? That's what I'd like to know.

eidairaman1 · Jan 6, 2008, 11:26 PM

I agree with you 100% I say its Persuasive Marketing Crap to get you to switch to one over the other, well sorry I dont have time to be building a new machine only upgrades.

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Originally Posted by InnocentCriminal

Where does everyone get their information on what CPU will bottleneck what? That's what I'd like to know.

It was also very hard to predict AMD moving to AM2/+ and Intel Kicking AMDs butt for once, thats why ive stuck with what ive had for 4 years now.

NastyHabits · Jan 7, 2008, 03:35 AM

As someone who only upgrades when my machine actually dies, or can't play a game I want, I applaud these high-end AGP cards.

(I tossed my 1GHz Athlon, GXPro machine when it couldn't play Colin McRae Rally 2004). My current (Prescott) CPU is still fine, but my 6600 GT is getting long in the tooth.

I just wonder what the price will be? The Powercolor version is selling for about 200 Euros in Europe.

erocker · Jan 7, 2008, 03:43 AM

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Originally Posted by Assimilator

Agreed... the best processors available for AGP-based motherboards are S939 Opteron X2s, and I reckon even one of those would bottleneck an X1950, nevermind an HD 3850.

I run a 8800GTS, but my Opty overclocks like a bat out of hell, and yes there is a bottleneck, but really almost all processors bottleneck newer high end video cards. My bottleneck isn't enough to worry about. My old x2 3800+ at 2.75ghz was a good match with my old x1950pro AGP. The only real bad bottlenecks your going to get with any Core 2, or even K8 is running them at lower or stock speeds. P4's on the other hand, that's when you can start talking about bottlenecks. I currently have a 11,754 3d06 score with my system. (the winter is your friend

InnocentCriminal · Jan 7, 2008, 06:04 AM

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Originally Posted by erocker

... but really almost all processors bottleneck newer high end video cards.

I honestly think it depends on how the CPU is implemented, as in, the set up it's being used in. Plus you've stated high-end cards, we're talking about a bottom end of the mid-range here.
I know that CPUs do create a bottleneck it's just I'm the sort of person that needs to proof when people say things along these lines.

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