Nvidia is scared of ATI’s success - Page 3

bud951 · Feb 6, 2008, 05:52 PM

I am a fan of both companies. I currently own 2 x 8800GT's in SLI and it smokes! Except for crysis of corse. I read an article linked from this site about a week ago and the X2 did not really impress me in there benchmarks. The 8800GT/GTS in SLI killed a single X2. I will go with whoever builds the better card for real world gaming. Right now I think its the 8800 in SLI but it will be the X2 in CF and then the GX2 in quad SLI. I am praying for the day when a single card can play ANY game at hi res and not actually raise the temp of the room by 5+ degrees. Yeah, my 8800GT SLI combo does that!

cdawall · Feb 6, 2008, 09:09 PM

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Originally Posted by CH@NO

mmmmm, that's really nice but the 8800 ULTRA isn't supposed to fight with an X2. It's single cored and is from the "past generation", when Nvidia launches the 9800GX2 model, put them to trade blows and then post a real comparsion.

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Originally Posted by largon

Oh my dear god!

Almost 1½ year old design looses to a two generation newer, total of two fab nodes smaller chip - sorry - dual chip solution in a synthetic benchmark! What's even more impressive is that in games HD3870X2 manages to beat 8800Ultra (again, 1½ old design) by a whopping 5% while consuming 50W more power!

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Disclaimer: 50% of all video cards owned by me were made by ATi, 75% of those that were not were bought after nVIDIA 8800 -series came out.

answer to both of you

and yet the 8800 ultra costs 33% more and performs 5% worse

way to be a fanboy

candle_86 · Feb 6, 2008, 09:13 PM

im not worried a bit, Nvidia likes to play headgames with everyone, its there thing

Tatty_One · Feb 6, 2008, 09:15 PM

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Originally Posted by cdawall

hahaha look at the charts on hwbot the 8800ultra is killed by the 3870 X2

http://hwbot.org/hardware.compare.do...83_1&id=1279_1

haha i love how it cost so much less $4xx vs $6xx

http://fxvideocards.com/Sapphire-Rad...R-p-16219.html

http://mirinix.com/1173487-xfx_pvt80...vt80ushf9.html

Lol, and the 3870x2 gets beaten in a couple of benches by the lowly single 8800GTS 512Mb

candle_86 · Feb 6, 2008, 09:24 PM

the fact is, anyone with an 8800GTS512, GTX or Ultra will not upgrade to this as 10% at best isnt worth the money

and to quote the ATI fanboi's from yesteryear the only way ATI managed to catch Nvidia is to put two GPU's on one card, its not a true single card solution.

Ravenas · Feb 6, 2008, 09:27 PM

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Originally Posted by candle_86

the fact is, anyone with an 8800GTS512, GTX or Ultra will not upgrade to this as 10% at best isnt worth the money

and to quote the ATI fanboi's from yesteryear the only way ATI managed to catch Nvidia is to put two GPU's on one card, its not a true single card solution.

I disagree, I think the future of video cards will be multiple GPUs or multi-threaded gpus.

candle_86 · Feb 6, 2008, 09:29 PM

i agree but i couldn't help myself, thats all the ATI camp screamed at the 7950GX2 back in 06 if you remember.

imperialreign · Feb 6, 2008, 09:31 PM

It's this kind of response from nVidia whenever they start to feel threatened (whether they really need be or not) that leaves little to be admired.

So, we all see how ATI can couple two R680 GPUs on one card, and throw it in their face . . . nVidia should need not worry, what with their dual PCB scheculed for release, and the G92 scheduled for this year . . .

unless, they're stopping to look at the fact that ATI's R700 GPU is scheduled for release late this year, and it' rumored to be a dual core GPU - keep in mind, though, we've seen very little "info leaks" on this new procs; ATI seems to be keeping very, very tight lipped - and if ATI gets their quad setup perfectly polished, really . . . how hard would it be for them to slap two R700's on one PCB at this point? They've proven to the world that two R680s work great together, what to stop them from a quad GPU core board?

That, I think, is what really is itching nVidia's crotch right now; the 3870x2 is doing a lot better than they expected, and although they know their G92 should put that card into it's place, I don't think they're prepared to tackle ATI in a "more cores than you really need" approach.

Asides, that letter was way below the belt on nVidia's part. If they keep up with actions like that, they could very well find themselves under the microscope by some 3rd party like Intel is right now . . .

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Originally Posted by candle_86

the fact is, anyone with an 8800GTS512, GTX or Ultra will not upgrade to this as 10% at best isnt worth the money

and to quote the ATI fanboi's from yesteryear the only way ATI managed to catch Nvidia is to put two GPU's on one card, its not a true single card solution.

I disagree - ATI could have 8 cores on one PCB, and it's still a true single card solution. Now, if there was more than one PCB in their setup (like what nVidia has developed), then I'd say, no, it's not a true single card solution.

das müffin mann · Feb 6, 2008, 09:44 PM

i have to go with imperial on this one

jamupnorth · Feb 6, 2008, 09:47 PM

Competition is Good.

We need competing company's or we will get a crap deal !

They are both good.

[I.R.A]_FBi · Feb 6, 2008, 09:49 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by candle_86

the fact is, anyone with an 8800GTS512, GTX or Ultra will not upgrade to this as 10% at best isnt worth the money

and to quote the ATI fanboi's from yesteryear the only way ATI managed to catch Nvidia is to put two GPU's on one card, its not a true single card solution.

so when u install an x2 .. how many cards do u install?

das müffin mann · Feb 6, 2008, 09:49 PM

they both make killer cards, and while they are at each others throats/scared of each other it will cause them to be more innovative and drive prices down which is good

[I.R.A]_FBi · Feb 6, 2008, 09:51 PM

and untop off all this R700 is 6 months ahead ...

AphexDreamer · Feb 6, 2008, 09:56 PM

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Originally Posted by das müffin mann

they both make killer cards, and while they are at each others throats/scared of each other it will cause them to be more innovative and drive prices down which is good

....for us. lol indeed.

das müffin mann · Feb 6, 2008, 09:57 PM

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Originally Posted by AphexDreamer

....for us. lol indeed.

ill drink to that

jamupnorth · Feb 6, 2008, 09:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by AphexDreamer

....for us. lol indeed.

Or is it just a big cartel ? lol..

Bytor · Feb 6, 2008, 10:06 PM

As Choppy stated.. We need both these companies fighting for our business with better and better products. Its WE the End Users that win in the end......

WarEagleAU · Feb 6, 2008, 10:06 PM

Nvidia has the high end crown but they dont have it totally bug free and it definitely wasnt easy going with their first cards. ATI will make a high end card but in the meantime, I see no need for it with their admirably performing parts.

erocker · Feb 6, 2008, 10:08 PM

I would love a 3rd or 4th party to join the mix. For both GPU's and CPU's. Then we would see some real competition. And some blazing fast stuff!

Bytor · Feb 6, 2008, 10:11 PM

3dfx Ftw

Hawk1 · Feb 6, 2008, 10:12 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by erocker

I would love a 3rd or 4th party to join the mix. For both GPU's and CPU's. Then we would see some real competition. And some blazing fast stuff!

Larabee will grant you your wish

(for GPU's anyway)

flashstar · Feb 6, 2008, 10:15 PM

The key to the next year is for ATI to get the R700 out as quickly as possible. If they can cut the 7 month wait down to 4-5 months, Nvidia will have absolutely nothing to respond with immediately at which point Nvidia would have to lower prices or get their product out faster.

das müffin mann · Feb 6, 2008, 10:16 PM

the triumphant return of 3dfx

gOJDO · Feb 6, 2008, 10:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Bytor

3dfx Ftw

$10

, I wonder how much it cost when it was released.

AphexDreamer · Feb 6, 2008, 10:26 PM

This kind of makes me think... If 3DFX had to resort to two core on one PCB to catch up with its competition and it later just disappeared. Kind of makes me assume that AMD might end up with the same fate as 3DFX.

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Feb 6, 2008, 05:52 PM	#51
bud951 Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: San Antonio, TX Posts: 209 (0.10/day) Thanks: 75 Thanked 7 Times in 6 Posts System Specs	I am a fan of both companies. I currently own 2 x 8800GT's in SLI and it smokes! Except for crysis of corse. I read an article linked from this site about a week ago and the X2 did not really impress me in there benchmarks. The 8800GT/GTS in SLI killed a single X2. I will go with whoever builds the better card for real world gaming. Right now I think its the 8800 in SLI but it will be the X2 in CF and then the GX2 in quad SLI. I am praying for the day when a single card can play ANY game at hi res and not actually raise the temp of the room by 5+ degrees. Yeah, my 8800GT SLI combo does that!

Feb 6, 2008, 09:13 PM	#53
candle_86 Banned Join Date: Dec 2006 Posts: 2,642 (1.12/day) Thanks: 76 Thanked 237 Times in 200 Posts	im not worried a bit, Nvidia likes to play headgames with everyone, its there thing

Feb 6, 2008, 09:24 PM	#55
candle_86 Banned Join Date: Dec 2006 Posts: 2,642 (1.12/day) Thanks: 76 Thanked 237 Times in 200 Posts	the fact is, anyone with an 8800GTS512, GTX or Ultra will not upgrade to this as 10% at best isnt worth the money and to quote the ATI fanboi's from yesteryear the only way ATI managed to catch Nvidia is to put two GPU's on one card, its not a true single card solution.

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Feb 6, 2008, 09:29 PM	#57
candle_86 Banned Join Date: Dec 2006 Posts: 2,642 (1.12/day) Thanks: 76 Thanked 237 Times in 200 Posts	i agree but i couldn't help myself, thats all the ATI camp screamed at the 7950GX2 back in 06 if you remember.

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Feb 6, 2008, 10:11 PM	#70
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Feb 6, 2008, 10:26 PM	#75
AphexDreamer Eligible for custom title Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: C:\Program Files (x86)\Aphexdreamer\ Posts: 5,617 (2.56/day) Thanks: 812 Thanked 888 Times in 674 Posts System Specs	This kind of makes me think... If 3DFX had to resort to two core on one PCB to catch up with its competition and it later just disappeared. Kind of makes me assume that AMD might end up with the same fate as 3DFX. __________________ Sent from my PC using chrome.

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