Ultimate AMD Machine for me

[eidairaman1]

Ya im having a fun time picking out a AM2+ Motherboard, I intend on some overclocking (Heavy) CPU of choice is the 6400 Black Edition, Graphics is the 3870.

Any Reviews are Welcome


http://us.dfi.com.tw/Product/xx_prod...YPE=MB&SITE=US
http://us.dfi.com.tw/Product/xx_prod...YPE=MB&SITE=US
http://www.giga-byte.com/Products/Mo...ProductID=2722
http://www.giga-byte.com/Products/Mo...ProductID=2739
http://www.giga-byte.com/Products/Mo...ProductID=2695
http://www.giga-byte.com/Products/Mo...ProductID=2690
http://www.giga-byte.com/Products/Mo...ProductID=2694
http://global.msi.com.tw/index.php?f...=1&cat2_no=171
http://global.msi.com.tw/index.php?f...=1&cat2_no=171
http://www.asus.com/products.aspx?l1...51&modelmenu=1
http://www.asus.com/products.aspx?l1...30&modelmenu=1
http://www.abit.com.tw/page/en/mothe...YPE=Socket+AM2

[Corrosion]

Try the asus m2n32 deluxe wireless edition, i just got one last friday and i really like it, it won 4x customer choice award on newegg also.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16813131011

[eidairaman1]

no stability issues? cause i was wary of Asus in the past. Im just wondering if it overclocks well, the wireless edition is the one with the built in ram coolers, i assume it uses Gum based TIMs for the Heat Transfer. the Non WiFi deluxe apparently overclocks high. You forget im going with ATI Graphics, SLI and ATI dont mix.

[NeoCrisis]

Asus M2N32SLI deluxe wireless and the Asus Crosshair are pretty much the 2 best AMD boards with nvidia chip set ATM both boards have 590SLI chipset only difference is the features. Crosshair has all the bells and whistles

[eidairaman1]

Originally Posted by NeoCrisis

Asus M2N32SLI deluxe wireless and the Asus Crosshair are pretty much the 2 best AMD boards with nvidia chip set ATM both boards have 590SLI chipset only difference is the features. Crosshair has all the bells and whistles

Ok ok, im Going with a ATI graphics card, the SLI board will be useless with it. Look at the ones ive posted.

[NeoCrisis]

If you're not planning on going CrossFire set up it wont matter. Almost forgot the 6400+@3.2 can only go up to 3.5 stable on air so pretty much any board can get to there.

[eidairaman1]

well i was thinking of that later on and also the support of Later CPUs, but I also noticed that Asus has a 570 Ultra board that supports AM2+ apparently, but looking at the HT bus its going to be somewhat limiting factor on new CPUs.

i also posted 770 mobos as another choice since Im unsure of Crossfire/SLI currently.

[eidairaman1]

any other opinions are welcome

[CrAsHnBuRnXp]

I remember in another thread you made you decided on an Intel setup. What happened to that?

[eidairaman1]

790FX is the key, at that time 790FX wasnt around thus, if i were to go Intel id build upon the IP-35 Pro from Abit and a Extreme CPU since i like the Multipliers Unlocked (if i could do it on a Regular CPU id certainly do it)

[trog100]

your logic is a bit weird.. however u clock your amd system it wont go as well as a current intel system..

there is nothing special about the 790x chipset either.. i recently swopped an abit an52 entry level board for an msi 790x board.. it didnt go as well as the entry level abit board..

looks good on paper.. the reality was a little different thow.. i had to lower the clocks on my 6000+ from 3.35 gig to 3.30 and even at the same clocks the entry level abit board out performed the latest amd chipset board.. litterally all my benches dropped off noticably..

i sold the 790x board on ebay and went back to the abit board..

then jumped to intel.. amd is okay but trying to make a donkey run as fast as a race horse dont make a lot of sense any more..

if u already own the donkey fair enough.. but planning on buying another one just dont add up..

trog

[eidairaman1]

http://www.tomshardware.com/2007/10/...er/page14.html

Read that and you will see my point about the 6400, the QX6600 is double the price of the 6400 but they perform about the same.

I mean the 6400 BE is unlocked so that opens many opportunities, also scaling to 3.8GHz, Motherboard will be one of the More Pricier Parts.

[trog100]

Originally Posted by eidairaman1

http://www.tomshardware.com/2007/10/...er/page14.html

Read that and you will see my point about the 6400, the QX6600 is double the price of the 6400 but they perform about the same.

I mean the 6400 BE is unlocked so that opens many opportunities, also scaling to 3.8GHz, Motherboard will be one of the More Pricier Parts.

when the chip is nearly maxed out when u buy it the unlocked multiplier means zilch.. and with an unlocked multpier the chipset means zilch..

the difference between any intel chip and the amd 6400 is simple.. one overclocks the other comes overclocked when u buy it..

okay it might be fun squeezing a little more out of the poor old donkey.. but to what end.. ??

cruelty to donkeys..

trog

ps.. dont get me wrong here.. an amd 6400 stuck in a cheap mobo like the abit an52 clocked at 3.4 gig with an ati 3870 grafix card plus cheap ram will make a nice cheap and very good gaming system.. probably the best bang for buck there is.. but..

[kenkickr]

The only BE AMD proc worth it is the 5000 due to the Brisbane core(65W). I would still go with a intel system because it looks like overclocking is the main reasoning behind your purchase and well lets face it...AMD sucks in that area and others! Even if you wait for the 45nm Phenom's to come out, intel has an answer for that so my suggestion would be to go with a wolfdale(45nm) Core 2 Duo or Quad.

[eidairaman1]

dude i dont care about Wolfdale or the phenoms.

[trog100]

Originally Posted by eidairaman1

dude i dont care about Wolfdale or the phenoms.

okay.. just dont mention the word "ultimate" and amd in the same sentence.. it used to be.. but sadly it no longer is..

good luck with whatever u do..

trog

[spud107]

those boards are good choices, i like the look of the msi K9A2 Platinum V2,

[eidairaman1]

Originally Posted by trog100

okay.. just dont mention the word "ultimate" and amd in the same sentence.. it used to be.. but sadly it no longer is..

good luck with whatever u do..

trog

Well its the Top End CPU of AMDs with the 790FX class mobos which are High End, Current Phenoms are not worthy of the 6400 even, cause i got another review from THG and the Phenom was all over the place in regard to performance, this is a total new build from a Athlon XP. Im just trying to get some guts

[trog100]

Originally Posted by eidairaman1

Well its the Top End CPU of AMDs with the 790FX class mobos which are High End, Current Phenoms are not worthy of the 6400 even, cause i got another review from THG and the Phenom was all over the place in regard to performance, this is a total new build from a Athlon XP. Im just trying to get some guts

i agree about the phenoms.. if u are determined to stick with amd the 6400 is the way to go i recon.. someone has to stay with the ship.. sadly i jumped..

trog

[eidairaman1]

ok trogg, but tbh the boards i have posted which one is good? i decided to go AMD this time around cause during the 754 or 939 era i didnt move.

[gOJDO]

Originally Posted by trog100

your logic is a bit weird.. however u clock your amd system it wont go as well as a current intel system..

My thoughts exactly. According to current trends(set by Intel), there is no ULTIMATE Machine from AMD. Also overclocking a 6400+ is like . So, if the OP wants to stay at AMD, better look after 5000+ Black Edition. It is cheaper and should OC better than the 6400+.

[NeoCrisis]

Originally Posted by NeoCrisis

the 6400+@3.2 can only go up to 3.5 stable on air so pretty much any board can get to there.

The 6400+BLK DOES NOT have unlocked multiplier it was never advertised being unlocked. like i said before the most you will probably get out of it is 3.5 on air and thats really pushing it.

Sadly i think i am going to retire my 6400+ and get a Wolfdale and a Striker Extreme II if i can find a good price.

[eidairaman1]

Originally Posted by gOJDO

My thoughts exactly. According to current trends(set by Intel), there is no ULTIMATE Machine from AMD. Also overclocking a 6400+ is like . So, if the OP wants to stay at AMD, better look after 5000+ Black Edition. It is cheaper and should OC better than the 6400+.

To put it to you this way the 5000 BE can only compete with the 6400 if the CPU is at 3.3GHz which is maximum overclock, the 6400 can go further, beyond that Model Number spec is out of place for the 5000 BE cause technically it should be 2.5 GHz and not 2.6

[gOJDO]

Originally Posted by eidairaman1

To put it to you this way the 5000 BE can only compete with the 6400 if the CPU is at 3.3GHz which is maximum overclock, the 6400 can go further, beyond that Model Number spec is out of place for the 5000 BE cause technically it should be 2.5 GHz and not 2.6

Well, the 5000+ BE has fully unlocked multiplier, the 6400+ BE has upwards locked multiplier. The 5000+ BE is made on the 65nm, while the 6400+ BE is made on the 90nm node. The 65nm is significantly more energy efficient than the 90nm, which translates in less power consumption and less dissipated heat. The 5000+ BE is stepping G2, which is a very good OC-er and has the L2 latency issue of G1 fixed. According to the people who are OCing the 5000+ BE, most of them are able to run it stable @3GHz at least and many are in the 3GHz to 3.5GHz range. The range of the 6400+ is between 3.2GHz and 3.5GHz, only few samples are capable to run over 3.5GHz stable. Of course I am talking about these CPUs using their stock cooler. With decent aftermarket cooler, the 5000+ should OC better than the 6400+.

[btarunr]

YAY AMD.

Gigabyte GA-790FX-DS5. very stable with Kingston modules, 2x PCI-E x16