Analyst Believes NVIDIA May Acquire AMD Despite Possible Loss of x86 Licensing

Polaris573 · Feb 14, 2008, 09:51 PM

American Technology Research analyst Doug Friedman believes NVIDIA could acquire Advanced Micro Devices (AMD) despite AMD’s x86 license from Intel being non-transferable. Friedman believes that AMD and Intel’s long term roadmaps are a threat to NVIDIA and cites mounting pressure from AMD’s stock holders as a reason for its vulnerability to a buyout from NVIDIA. AMD’s recent troubles with its quad core processors and ATI’s recent weakness in the high end graphics market have only exacerbated this pressure. Friedman sees AMD and Intel’s plans for integration of CPUs and GPUs as a threat to NVIDIA and believes NVIDIA anticipates this future competition as well. Combining this information with rumors that Intel is attempting to develop discrete graphics adapters of their own leaves NVIDIA in a possibly weakened position. However, AMD’s extensive cross-licensing of x86 and other technologies with Intel would not be NVIDIA’s only obstacle. They would also face possible anti-trust investigation from United States and European Union law enforcement agencies.

Source: X-bit Labs

Namslas90 · Feb 14, 2008, 09:56 PM

Does this mean then end of ATI?

hat · Feb 14, 2008, 10:00 PM

I don't think it would be the end of ATI. That would mean monopoly, which is illegal.

EastCoasthandle · Feb 14, 2008, 10:02 PM

why is this posted a 2nd time as news? I posted my response to this before and it (as well as other posts) are deleted

jocksteeluk · Feb 14, 2008, 10:02 PM

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Does this mean then end of ATI?

It was the end of ATi when AMD purchased them and sacked almost all the former ATi staff, it is that staff that makes a company, sack the staff and you just end up with a product.

imperialreign · Feb 14, 2008, 10:05 PM

if nVidia did pull this off - it would seem to me to be a panic reaction to what appears to be staedily growing (once again) competition.

ATI is owned by AMD, but it's still operated independantly - which means that nVidia might cut ATI free if they decide to acquire AMD . . .

which would potentially spell doom for ATI.

TBH, I'm completely against this potential merger - nVidia has become near as powerful as Intel, and if it were left to nVidia and Intel with no other competition, you can expect hardware prices to skyrocket.

Polaris573 · Feb 14, 2008, 10:05 PM

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why is this posted a 2nd time as news? I posted my response to this before and it (as well as other posts) are deleted

It's my fault. I'm sorry.

Exceededgoku · Feb 14, 2008, 10:10 PM

This won't happen, it's only speculation and just think of the repurcusions. Nvidia needs competition to stay alive....

Random Murderer · Feb 14, 2008, 10:13 PM

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... American Micro Devices (AMD)...

ummm, it's Advanced Micro Devices...

EastCoasthandle · Feb 14, 2008, 10:14 PM

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It's my fault. I'm sorry.

I see...
In any case as I said before, it won't happen (as others eluded to as well). Not only do you have anti trust concerns, the x86 is not transferable. Not only that, this news comes in light of other analyst(s) report that nvidia lost 13% market share which is a bit suspicious.

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..."In the last three years, they were pretty much untouchable," Fischer said. "They were taking a lot of share, but now people are realizing that ATI is a real competitor again and could regain market share."

...In the last 12 months, based on Wednesday's closing price, Nvidia shares rose 19 percent, compared with a 21 percent decline in the Philadelphia Semiconductor Index .

The stock had been insulated, analysts said, by its ability to gain market share and increase its competitive lead over ATI. However, with a resurgent ATI and a looming Intel, the buffer that Nvidia enjoyed has diminished.

"Now they're much more sensitive to the demand trends we see in the overall PC market," Fischer said.

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Random Murderer · Feb 14, 2008, 10:16 PM

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I see...
In any case as I said before, it won't happen (as others eluded to as well). Not only do you have anti trust concerns, the x86 is not transferable. Not only that, this news comes in light of other analyst(s) report that nvidia lost 13% market share which is a bit suspicious.

analysts don't really have a friggin clue what the hell they're talking about. i know, i live with one

imperialreign · Feb 14, 2008, 10:17 PM

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analysts don't really have a friggin clue what the hell they're talking about. i know, i live with one

just like analysts have been saying for the last two years that GM is going to have to declare bankruptcy, right?

EastCoasthandle · Feb 14, 2008, 10:19 PM

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analysts don't really have a friggin clue what the hell they're talking about. i know, i live with one

I hear yea but it's news like this that attract responses which lead to a locked thread. Specially when people start posting how possible this is.

Random Murderer · Feb 14, 2008, 10:21 PM

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But it's news like this that attract responses which lead to a locked thread. Specially when people start posting how possible this is.

oh, it's possible. it's just not a good business move for anybody, so the odds of this actually happening are so slim it's ridiculous.

EastCoasthandle · Feb 14, 2008, 10:23 PM

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oh, it's possible. it's just not a good business move for anybody, so the odds of this actually happening are so slim it's ridiculous.

then that contradicts your previous response that "analysts don't really have a friggin clue"

Sasqui · Feb 14, 2008, 10:23 PM

I think aquisition of AMD is inevitable (by someone!), but regulators will see huge anti-trust issues with NVidia like the article says, but not just chipset issue, but also the graphics card industry - that will become a complete monpoly. That is... unless Intel steps in with some move or new product(s).

imperialreign · Feb 14, 2008, 10:27 PM

TBH, considering the amount of investigation that Intel has been coming under - nVidia stands to be the next in line, too, as people become more aware of what's going on in the industry - anything that looks suspicious is more readily noticed.

nVidia wouldn't be able to purchase AMD at the moment, as it would attract a lot of the wrong kind of attention, and they could easily find themselves the target of the next anti-trust investigation

Random Murderer · Feb 14, 2008, 10:32 PM

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then that contradicts your previous response that "analysts don't really have a friggin clue"

not really. the analysts are saying that this will most likely happen, i'm saying it's possible but not gonna happen. ever.

ShadowFold · Feb 14, 2008, 10:34 PM

If Nvidia bought AMD, then there wouldnt be any more ATi drivers huh

das müffin mann · Feb 14, 2008, 10:36 PM

this would be terrible for consumers if this were allowed to happen, regardless if you like ati, or not

Random Murderer · Feb 14, 2008, 10:41 PM

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Originally Posted by das müffin mann

this would be terrible for consumers if this were allowed to happen, regardless if you like ati, or not

guys, this is like back when there was speculation that intel was gonna buy amd. it's NOT gonna happen.

ShadowFold · Feb 14, 2008, 10:42 PM

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guys, this is like back when there was speculation that intel was gonna buy amd. it's NOT gonna happen.

how can you be so sure? Someones bound to buy AMD, there in such a mess right now.

Random Murderer · Feb 14, 2008, 10:43 PM

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how can you be so sure? Someones bound to buy AMD, there in such a mess right now.

yes, someone is buying amd as we speak, but it's a company you've never heard of, and i won't be the one to tell you who it is. wait for a press release.

ShadowFold · Feb 14, 2008, 10:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Random Murderer

yes, someone is buying amd as we speak, but it's a company you've never heard of, and i won't be the one to tell you who it is. wait for a press release.

SEGA?

magibeg · Feb 14, 2008, 10:46 PM

S3 should come out of nowhere and buy up AMD, now that would be a surprise.

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