Newegg starts selling Palits!

[Palit_Guy]

Sure. They're mostly in the $60 range so $40 would be a pretty good price.

[Palit_Guy]

I just want to be clear on this. I'm not recommending this as a CAD card. If you're trying to use CAD with onboard video, the 8500GT would be much better. But that isn't really saying much. If you can't afford to buy a better card or, preferably, a card designed specifically for CAD applications, this is better than onboard video.

Just like games, the better the card, the better your performance.

The thing that makes me nervous here is that someone might quote me out of context saying the 8500GT is a good CAD card. I don't think it can be qualified as such unless you're comparing it to onboard video or the like.

[Fitseries3]

well right now my friend does CAD designs on his 5 year old sony viao with onboard video and it's slow but works for what he's doing. im building him a new machine and trying to stay within a relatively low budget. i found a xfx 8500gt at a local store for $39 so i thought i would get it for my friends CAD machine. the stuff he does isn't very complex and it's on a pretty small scale. i would think it would be ok. but i want him to notice like a 300% increase over what he currently has.

[Palit_Guy]

I'm sure he will see a tremendous improvement and not just from the video card. Is it 300%, I'd have to measure it. If you're just using that as a phrase, then I'd go along with it.

[Fitseries3]

well im sure the 2gig's of ram and the e2180 chip will be a HUGE improvement over the 256mb + p4 1.8gig he currently uses. and the 8500gt should be significantly better than the onboard intel 865 graphics.

[Bluefox1115]

Yeah I'd have to say the new rig will definately benefit him... As long as his CAD softwate supports multithreads...

[Fitseries3]

i think it's autocad v7? does that sound right? it's an older version i know that much.

[Bluefox1115]

Honestly, even a higher clocked single core will boost his performance... even an AMD would be good, and cost you less, and produce less heat.. for what he's gonna do.. I'd say get him a Brisbane setup with 2GB of the Gskill ram thats like $50 and a 8500GT or 8600GT.. in the business side of the world and non gaming, which does exsist.. lol, benchmark scores, and overclocking don't mean a thing, and don't exsist really, as long as the performance is there and comparable.

[Wile E]

Originally Posted by Bluefox1115

Honestly, even a higher clocked single core will boost his performance... even an AMD would be good, and cost you less, and produce less heat.. for what he's gonna do.. I'd say get him a Brisbane setup with 2GB of the Gskill ram thats like $50 and a 8500GT or 8600GT.. in the business side of the world and non gaming, which does exsist.. lol, benchmark scores, and overclocking don't mean a thing, and don't exsist really, as long as the performance is there and comparable.

The AMD won't cost him any less for the same performance level. With the intro of the e2000 and e1000 series by Intel, AMD no longer holds the lock on the low-end market.

[Voice-Of-Palit]

Originally Posted by calvary1980

it shows no benefits, it's marketing please tell me your not that naive CAD users use commercial workstation cards Quadro, FireGL, Wildcat for heavy rendering they do not use an 8600 lol.

- Christine

Memory densities have been increasing over time. It is not a matter of if developers will use higher memory densities, it is a matter of WHEN. Here is a graph showing memory densities over time. 1GB will be the norm sooner rather than later. The general consumer buys a card once every 2-3 years. Getting 1GB now is wise.

[erocker]

I can agree with that, especially after the 320mb 8800GTS went bye bye. Right now, it seems as if both ATi and Nvidia has hit a sweet spot in terms of performance and in manufacturing costs with 512mb/256bit. I'm looking forward to the days of 1gb+ standard on video cards and more popularity in 64 bit computing.

[Bluefox1115]

The socket 775 boards will run you out of town with their prices though. I've looked into building my parents a new pc, and have looked at the Intels, and the AMDs, and honestly, the AMD's were cheaper between the board and the chip, and I doubt they'll notice any significant difference between an AMD Brisbane @ 2.5, and an E2180 for everyday use. I game primarilly on an AMD and don't see much of a difference over an Intel setup. I'm about on par with E6600 or E6700, for a much cheaper price tag. I own setups from both chip manufacturers..

[erocker]

Originally Posted by Bluefox1115

The socket 775 boards will run you out of town with their prices though. I've looked into building my parents a new pc, and have looked at the Intels, and the AMDs, and honestly, the AMD's were cheaper between the board and the chip, and I doubt they'll notice any significant difference between an AMD Brisbane @ 2.5, and an E2180 for everyday use. I game primarilly on an AMD and don't see much of a difference over an Intel setup. I'm about on par with E6600 or E6700, for a much cheaper price tag. I own setups from both chip manufacturers..

Did you post this in the correct thread? Nvm, you did.

[Bluefox1115]

was relating to Wile E's and fitseries' post about an AutoCAD computer. sorry.

[Bluefox1115]

as far as video cards go, I think if you're gaming, and have anything less than a 320MB 8800GTS then you're taking a hit in performance.. Everyone should be or will be at 512MB+ within the next 6 months to 1 year..

[Palit_Guy]

Originally Posted by erocker

I can agree with that, especially after the 320mb 8800GTS went bye bye. Right now, it seems as if both ATi and Nvidia has hit a sweet spot in terms of performance and in manufacturing costs with 512mb/256bit. I'm looking forward to the days of 1gb+ standard on video cards and more popularity in 64 bit computing.

And that's really the bigger issue. If no company ever pushes the envelope and builds forward looking products the whole process slows down. The norm for the last couple of years has been to just roll out reference designs because it's cheap and easy.

To some extent, everyone has to do a little of that. But Palit is trying to go beyond that whenever we can. So we have some mainstream standard stuff that keeps the business going and we also release things that are more cutting edge.

You can please all of the people some of the time and some of the people all of the time but you can never please all of the people all of the time. So the reason I'm in here posting is to provide some kind of explanation of what we're doing and why.

[Bluefox1115]

Originally Posted by Palit_Guy

And that's really the bigger issue. If no company ever pushes the envelope and builds forward looking products the whole process slows down. The norm for the last couple of years has been to just roll out reference designs because it's cheap and easy.

To some extent, everyone has to do a little of that. But Palit is trying to go beyond that whenever we can. So we have some mainstream standard stuff that keeps the business going and we also release things that are more cutting edge.

You can please all of the people some of the time and some of the people all of the time but you can never please all of the people all of the time. So the reason I'm in here posting is to provide some kind of explanation of what we're doing and why.

That's true. It's kinda like..:

"I can only please one person per day. Today is NOT your day, and tommorow doesn't look good either." But maybe next week..

[GJSNeptune]

Originally Posted by Bluefox1115

as far as video cards go, I think if you're gaming, and have anything less than a 320MB 8800GTS then you're taking a hit in performance.. Everyone should be or will be at 512MB+ within the next 6 months to 1 year..

Will you be funding this goal?

[Bluefox1115]

Originally Posted by GJSNeptune

Will you be funding this goal?

You just want a new video card. Just be like the other saps that fry their cards and RMA them so we can disown you too. lol JK..

[Palit_Guy]

I would agree with Bluefox when it comes to new purchases and gamers.

[Bluefox1115]

Muahahaha. I can predict the future.










Sometimes....

[cdawall]

Originally Posted by Palit_Guy

People using CAD related apps on a desktop card outnumber those using a true CAD card. That doesn't make it right and it doesn't make it good. CAD cards truly are expensive. Most uses of CAD software don't require the level of precision or multi-layered processing power of a Quadro.

There is also a large group of people that have to open a CAD drawing for any number of reasons OTHER than creating something. It could an assistant somewhere that needs to look at a drawing just to see the number of mounting holes in something. Does that type of person really need a Quadro just to do that? Onboard video would also work but it is sooooo painful just trying to move around the screen you really do need something discrete.

It's kind of like gaming cards. You should really be gaming with an 8500GT but there are simply tons of people out there doing it because the card is so cheap. They turn down the settings in the game, which many many gamers with high-end cards also do thus defeating the whole purpose, and they have a great time.

I don't think it's reasonable to force people into a group of cards just because those are the cards that they "should" be using. Try to keep in mind that there are literally 100s of thousands of video cards being sold each month. We as individuals tend to focus on how WE use video cards and it's easy to lose sight of the big picture. On the end of each of those cards is a person and there is no telling what they are doing.

im one of those people and ram makes all the difference

Originally Posted by fitseries3

so an 8500gt is a good card for low end CAD work?

honestly try and get a top end 7x00 series card a 7800GT or 7900GS would work better than the 8500GT could ever dream of a 7900GS 512mb would be perfect for it

[Wile E]

Originally Posted by Bluefox1115

The socket 775 boards will run you out of town with their prices though.

Nope. Not if OCing isn't a priority. Both AMD and Intel are in the same league at the bottom end now too.

[Fitseries3]

what is better for CAD... a 7600GT or a 8500GT? both are 256mb cards.

[cdawall]

8500GT no contest