XP Service Pack 3 Could Slow Down Vista Adoption

zekrahminator · Feb 22, 2008, 01:01 AM

Face it, the Windows XP code is reliable, practical, useful, secure and cost-effective. Most people, especially those in the business sector, simply don't see the need to upgrade to Windows Vista. It's no news that Windows XP Service Pack 3 is coming out soon. However, Microsoft may not have considered the effect XP SP3 may have on Vista sales. If a lot of users adopt XP SP3, they may be even less tempted to move on to Windows Vista, which is ultimately what Microsoft would like their customers to do. However, Microsoft may find that XP SP3 doesn't have any effect on Vista sales at all. After all, those who want Windows Vista will upgrade to Windows Vista, no matter what XP offers. Those who want to stick with XP will stick with XP, and may not even upgrade to the latest service pack.

Source: Neowin.net

ShadowFold · Feb 22, 2008, 01:02 AM

Yea I dont feel like getting SP3. It doesnt really do anything from what I hear.

Ravenas · Feb 22, 2008, 01:03 AM

Vista Service Pack 1 Could Speed Up Vista Adoption.

erocker · Feb 22, 2008, 01:03 AM

I just remembered that I'm using SP3 RC2. Meaning I forgot that it's not SP2. They perform exactly the same, unless Microsoft gave me the placebo! SP3 seems solid as a rock.

imperialreign · Feb 22, 2008, 01:05 AM

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Originally Posted by zekrahminator

Face it, the Windows XP code is reliable, practical, useful, secure and cost-effective. Most people, especially those in the business sector, simply don't see the need to upgrade to Windows Vista. It's no news that Windows XP Service Pack 3 is coming out soon. However, Microsoft may not have considered the effect XP SP3 may have on Vista sales. If a lot of users adopt XP SP3, they may be even less tempted to move on to Windows Vista, which is ultimately what Microsoft would like their customers to do. However, Microsoft may find that XP SP3 doesn't have any effect on Vista sales at all. After all, those who want Windows Vista will upgrade to Windows Vista, no matter what XP offers. Those who want to stick with XP will stick with XP, and may not even upgrade to the latest service pack.

Source: Neowin.net

I'm defi looking forward to it, as it will extend the service life of XP for quite some time. Due to how Vista handles audio, specifically, I've been very hesitant to upgrade. If I can hold out with XP until the next OS starts to arrive through beta form, then I will; and hopefully MS will address and correct the audio related issues present in Vista for the next gen OS.

Doubtful, though . . .

Asides - it'll make re-installing XP a ton easier, instead of having to go through the headache of installing XP, downloading 65+ updates and installing them, then installing the second wave of updates, then installing Office and it's service pack and fleet of updates, and then there's the .net framework, WMP, Defender, and any other MS application that needs to be installed, and then have it's own plethora of updates installed.

A typical XP install + updates has grown to become a near about half a day.

Easy Rhino · Feb 22, 2008, 01:08 AM

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Originally Posted by zekrahminator

Face it, the Windows XP code is reliable, practical, useful, secure and cost-effective.

this is exactly what was said about windows 2000 when XP was released.

ShadowFold · Feb 22, 2008, 01:09 AM

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Originally Posted by Easy Rhino

this is exactly what was said about windows 2000 when XP was released.

Yea but I HIGHLY doubt Vista will ever be as effective as XP.

Triprift · Feb 22, 2008, 01:13 AM

The migration to Vista will happen when the games released are dx10 only unless ppl are happy playing old games. I no ppl are saying theyll wait for windows 7 cus they dont like vista but what if 7's a dissapointment theyll have to go vista or 7 cus xp will have no support then.

Easy Rhino · Feb 22, 2008, 01:14 AM

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Originally Posted by ShadowFold

Yea but I HIGHLY doubt Vista will ever be as effective as XP.

why not?

ShadowFold · Feb 22, 2008, 01:14 AM

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Originally Posted by Triprift

The migration to Vista will happen when the games released are dx10 only unless ppl are happy playing old games. I no ppl are saying theyll wait for windows 7 cus they dont like vista but what if 7's a dissapointment theyll have to go vista or 7 cus xp will have no support then.

How will 7 suck more than Vista? Kinda seems hard to do..

Ravenas · Feb 22, 2008, 01:16 AM

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Originally Posted by Triprift

The migration to Vista will happen when the games released are dx10 only unless ppl are happy playing old games. I no ppl are saying theyll wait for windows 7 cus they dont like vista but what if 7's a dissapointment theyll have to go vista or 7 cus xp will have no support then.

The majority of graphic errors and problems can be rooted directly to DirectX, OpenGL should be the adopted format. The only reason DirectX10 is used is so Microsoft can keep a hold on the gaming community. It really sucks how they do that.

ShadowFold · Feb 22, 2008, 01:16 AM

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Originally Posted by Easy Rhino

why not?

Well last time I tried using it with my Nforce 410 and a AMD 4200+ X2 it was terribly slow with all my games, I couldnt even run HL2 on high.. I got like 15-30 fps it was so jumpy and not fun at all. Some of my games didnt even work. I kept getting kicked on BF2 servers cause punkbuster was giving me errors with out any sort of code or error. Im sure it would be better on my Intel build but I really dont want to waste more money unless I get a x64 version and see how that is I guess..

Easy Rhino · Feb 22, 2008, 01:18 AM

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Originally Posted by ShadowFold

Well last time I tried using it with my Nforce 410 and a AMD 4200+ X2 it was terribly slow with all my games, I couldnt even run HL2 on high.. I got like 15-30 fps it was so jumpy and not fun at all. Some of my games didnt even work. I kept getting kicked on BF2 servers cause punkbuster was giving me errors with out any sort of code or error. Im sure it would be better on my Intel build but I really dont want to waste more money unless I get a x64 version and see how that is I guess..

i have a much slower system that you and ive been very happy with home premium x64. in fact, my games run a tad bit faster!

Triprift · Feb 22, 2008, 01:20 AM

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Originally Posted by ShadowFold

How will 7 suck more than Vista? Kinda seems hard to do..

Im just saying just dont assume somethings gonna be better just cus reports say it will and its windows so yes it could be worse.

ShadowFold · Feb 22, 2008, 01:21 AM

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Originally Posted by Easy Rhino

i have a much slower system that you and ive been very happy with home premium x64. in fact, my games run a tad bit faster!

Idk I was thinking of going x64 with vista but I dont see the need for it atm, there arent any exclusive vista games I really want to play and none have been announced afaik

Easy Rhino · Feb 22, 2008, 01:43 AM

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Originally Posted by ShadowFold

Idk I was thinking of going x64 with vista but I dont see the need for it atm, there arent any exclusive vista games I really want to play and none have been announced afaik

yea, well the only reason to go vista is if you have a dx10 gpu. i just got it because i had the money to get it now.

EastCoasthandle · Feb 22, 2008, 01:51 AM

Well, I haven't done a lot of performance testing but my download speed is maxing out from start to finish. Before with SP2 it wasn't.

marsey99 · Feb 22, 2008, 01:52 AM

^^^ +1

gaming in dx10 is another ball game all together, older games look nice, it seems to boost the eyecandy.

i still use sp3 for things tho as vista is slow.

erocker · Feb 22, 2008, 02:08 AM

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Originally Posted by EastCoasthandle

Well, I haven't done a lot of performance testing but my download speed is maxing out from start to finish. Before with SP2 it wasn't.

I haven't noticed yet, I'm going to try it out!

[I.R.A]_FBi · Feb 22, 2008, 02:09 AM

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Originally Posted by Ravenas

Vista Service Pack 1 Could Speed Up Vista Adoption.

you mean rejection right?

Ravenas · Feb 22, 2008, 02:27 AM

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Originally Posted by Easy Rhino

this is exactly what was said about windows 2000 when XP was released.

Microsoft has a way of forcing users into a unfinished product to increase revenues, and it's not just Microsoft, it's usually every software company. By the time they roll SP 3 around for the OS, the code is very stable, but that is about 5 years late.

[I.R.A]_FBi · Feb 22, 2008, 02:30 AM

true .. right now win2k is rock solid .. but who rly uses it anymore?

AddSub · Feb 22, 2008, 02:44 AM

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this is exactly what was said about windows 2000 when XP was released.

And it's still true today, albeit 4 official service packs later and unofficial SP5, thanks to some industrious individuals.

When it comes to all the inane dialogs, wizards, and other hand-holding nonsense, XP = Vista lite.

Also, Win2k has no activation scheme which pretty much lets you swap and add components without notifying Microsoft.

Esse · Feb 22, 2008, 03:14 AM

Got SP3 at the moment and don't notice any real world of difference.

The only difference is a dent in my DSL cap

Jizzler · Feb 22, 2008, 03:20 AM

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Originally Posted by zekrahminator

Face it, the Windows XP code is reliable, practical, useful, secure and cost-effective. Most people, especially those in the business sector, simply don't see the need to upgrade to Windows Vista.

They probably should have kept IE7 a Vista only item as well as Office 2008

It worked for gamers who wanted DX10.

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However, Microsoft may find that XP SP3 doesn't have any effect on Vista sales at all. After all, those who want Windows Vista will upgrade to Windows Vista, no matter what XP offers. Those who want to stick with XP will stick with XP, and may not even upgrade to the latest service pack.

+1

MS will just have to wait until their systems die and they buy a new one with Vista installed.

And if you download from Windows Update you probably have like 90% of SP3 any way

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