The Ati vs. Nvidia Image Quality Thread

[DarkMatter]

Which one do you think has the better image quality in this generation?

Give your opinion, but please state clearly why, and post images where the reason is evident if possible. Links to previously done reviews and comparisons are welcome.

Try to avoid flame wars, please, I want this one to be serious.

Some reviews concerning this.

http://www.maximumpc.com/article/vid...out?page=0%2C0 - A very interesting read. Read the entire article or you will miss the point.

http://techreport.com/articles.x/12458/5 - Pages 5, 6, 7 and 8.

http://sg.vr-zone.com/articles/ATi_R...w/4946-15.html - pages 15, 16, 17.

http://www.hardocp.com/article.html?...50aHVzaWFzdA== - pages 5 and 6.

Courtesy of calvary1980:

http://enthusiast.hardocp.com/articl...50aHVzaWFzdA== - 2900XT vs 8800 Ultra on HL2:EP2

http://www.elitebastards.com/cms/ind...1&limitstart=4 - Video playback comparison.

Courtesy of KainX:

http://www.driverheaven.net/reviews/3870-XXX/IQ.php

Courtesy of cooler:

http://www.beyond3d.com/content/reviews/47/1 - AMD R6xx: Image Quality Analysis

http://www.beyond3d.com/content/reviews/3/1 -NVIDIA G80: Image Quality Analysis

http://www.vr-zone.com/articles/AMD_...F/5392-14.html

http://www.pcgameshardware.de/?artic...621293&page=11 - In german(?), with animated gifs.

http://www.dailytech.com/AMD+Alleges...rticle8608.htm - Allegations of Nvidia Cheating on HD playback.

http://www.theinquirer.net/en/inquir...deo-benchmarks - Same allegations, explains that this happens because an optimization. You can turn it off, but it's enabled by default. Take your own conclusions.

Posted by EastCoasthandle:

http://www.driverheaven.net/reviews....=552&pageid=18 - Comparison between Purevideo HD and Avivo HD.

[mandelore]

dude... why you bringing the argument to a whole new thread??
its obvious its gonna start getting hot with all the flame-tastic comments about to arrive....

[Morgoth]

ATI
this topic wil thurn into a fanboy flamewar topic...

[xfire]

So how many users do you think really owned both the cards and descided to do a head to head comparision of both the cards. This is just going to turn out into flame wars. If you really want to find out yourself conduct a test among your friends using similar setups.

[DarkMatter]

Originally Posted by mandelore

dude... why you bringing the argument to a whole new thread??
its obvious its gonna start getting hot with all the flame-tastic comments about to arrive....

Because if we don't ruin it, it could become sticky and we don't have to talk about this on other threads.

Originally Posted by xfire

So how many users do you think really owned both the cards and descided to do a head to head comparision of both the cards. This is just going to turn out into flame wars. If you really want to find out yourself conduct a test among your friends using similar setups.

I did. I don't have to find out anything already. For me they are both the same.

[mandelore]

Originally Posted by DarkMatter

Because if we don't ruin it, it could become sticky and we don't have to talk about this on other threads.

seriously, that aint gonna happen. all it takes is one person...

look at the intel vs AMD thread, for the first few pages it was civil, and adult, then one by one immatures launched into action and downwards the thread spiralled...

[DarkMatter]

Originally Posted by mandelore

seriously, that aint gonna happen. all it takes is one person...

look at the intel vs AMD thread, for the first few pages it was civil, and adult, then one by one immatures launched into action and downwards the thread spiralled...

I really hope it goes well. And I strongly belive it is better than constantly debate this in other threads.

[xfire]

Originally Posted by DarkMatter

I did. I don't have to find out anything already. For me they are both the same.

Then you dont have any need for this thread. Let people say what they want. Just cause some one calls you a dog you're not gonna be a dog.

[DarkMatter]

Originally Posted by xfire

Then you dont have any need for this thread. Let people say what they want. Just cause some one calls you a dog you're not gonna be a dog.

Indeed this thread is for them to say what they want, and to let them back their opinions. And ultimately for the people who enter here seeking info.

Vote if you want to, or don't vote, but please don't go off-topic before this even started.

[erocker]

I'm glad this thread was started! As a matter of fact, I'm trying to test the differences in IQ between the two right now. By the way, I started a "I need help with my 3850" thread, so stop on over if you can give me some insigthts. Thanks. I'll throw up some screens this weekend.

[mandelore]

but.. at the end of the day it wont stop bitching in other threads, as the arguments are within a specific, often thread-specific context.

But I wish this thread well, I will not partake in it (unless people do actually behave responsibly and use this thread as a fact vault, with tested proof, not fan boyish arguments ), if only not to further fuel any innevitable arson being commited

[Hawk1]

I'll have to abstain since I don't own either new generation cards. Sould have a 4th option for "I'm not sure." You will (probably) still get the fanboys choosing their brand based on loyalty rather than first hand experience.

[DarkMatter]

Originally Posted by Hawk1

I'll have to abstain since I don't own either new generation cards. Sould have a 4th option for "I'm not sure." You will (probably) still get the fanboys choosing their brand based on loyalty rather than first hand experience.

As long as they give some proof... or whatever they post. Anything would be ok. I mean they could post an image where they see a huge difference. But chances are that many people wouldn't see any, and the image will still be useful. The image it's there, the claim of superior IQ would be there, but then it's all up to the reader to decide if there's any difference and the job is done.

About your 4th option suggestion, I have thought about it and I think that "not sure" and "no difference" is the same if you have experience with the cards.

[alexp999]

Don't have any screenies (yet) but I have noticed between my system (ati, see specs) and my dad's (nvidia, see sig) that ati looks alot crisper and vibrant (even though he is on a higher resolution screen which costed nearly twice as much, lol!). Nvidia tends to look quite grainy and "flat", at least from what I have seen anyway.

[DarkMatter]

Originally Posted by alexp999

Don't have any screenies (yet) but I have noticed between my system (ati, see specs) and my dad's (nvidia, see sig) that ati looks alot crisper and vibrant (even though he is on a higher resolution screen which costed nearly twice as much, lol!). Nvidia tends to look quite grainy and "flat", at least from what I have seen anyway.

Ok, thanks for posting, and congrats since you are the first one to give a reason for your voting.

Looking forward for those screenies.

[panchoman]

it'd have to be ati because they have the only dx10.1 cards out, as of now, and of course, dx10.1 would have the best quality over say dx10 or dx9.

[calvary1980]

are we talking about an image or rendering a game, cause this is interesting.

http://enthusiast.hardocp.com/articl...50aHVzaWFzdA==

keep in mind this is the 2900XT and is the only recent dirt I could find on either.

- Christine

[Black Panther]

I'm glad you made this thread. I've only had Nvidia cards so far, starting from the MX400 and ending up to the 8800GT, but the earlier one weren't my choices. I hear all the time that ATI give a better image quality and are cheaper, but since now I haven't had the opportunity to test out ATI vs Nvidia myself. Hence I'm very interested in the outcome of this thread.

[KieranD]

obv its the one with the power fuller gpu and currently its nvidia

ati provide a nice image quality but its equal on most games just at the moment ati will run slower

[Skyguy]

I've owned both, but it really only is valid when you compare similar-level cards in the same generation. Also toss in driver tweaks and you've got a real challenge. Look at the new Crossfire X supersampling when you're 16x and above........ATI's tends to make everything look too soft and fuzzy. BUT..........who really runs 32x? Seriously. The performance hit is exponential and foolish......it's of no practical value whatsoever.

So then compare apples to apples: 4x AA, HDR, other regular stuff. Generally looks the same between the cards. There may be some subtle differences, sure, but overall I've not noticed much difference.

Also: keep in mind these are side-by-side comparisons, with a single screenshot, that are often isolated and enlarged. Does anyone here really think such nuances will be noticed when you're running around in a game at 60 fps, busy actually playing? Those minor differences (if any) won't even be noticed since you're too busy playing, not to mention you won't have another card/system running simultaneously to notice a difference. 99.999999% of the people here don't run games in ATI/Nvidia simultaneously LOL.......so, without a basis for comparison, nobody will actually tell the difference in a real world gaming application.

All things being considered, image quality is virtually a wash nowadays. It would be wiser to pick a card based on price-to-performance, overall performance (if you're a nut for horsepower), power draw, noise, and heat criteria. That's where you'll see BIG differences that will set one card apart from another.......not looking at some single frame enlargement, trying to grasp subtle minutae and nuanced differences in pixellated images LOL.

ummmmm....Yeah.

[Solaris17]

im glad this thread is out...and i dont think it will become a flame watr would you like to know why?...because we should all be pretty mature about it..all this talk about it only taking one person is ture to a point...for example some 13 year old will be like hey hey look at me im a fanboi!!!! well that is proably going to happen and theirs no stopping it however for those of us who are older and want to understand more of the technical aspecs rather than backing your favorite company than it will be a good thread because all we have to do to make this a success is ignore those ppl....as for me....i think ATI has better imag quality...in screen shots and comparisons some spacifics are diff that ati renders a little better....but only for certian things that iv noticed for example like rock textures in some games ati does better but water and similar things would be exactly the same....me? i use nvidia because they tend to play games slightely faster because i am TOLD nvidia doesnt render things as sharply but out of my personall experiance.....in my vid card timeline....radeon 7500,9250,9800,x1600XT Nvidia 8600GT,9600GT their is no diff imo...i suppose their might be...if i had an ati card and an nvidia card form the same generation like an 8600 compared to a 2900 and i could boot 2 computers and compair at the same time...however though i might see a diff it would probably be imo if i looked for something to be spacifically diff....out of all the cards iv owned i havent seen any diff in image quality in my day to day gaming and though nvidia is my personal pref atm...as you can see iv owned more ati and if i were to reccomend a card to somebody give me a budget and what you want to do and ill find you the best choice totally non biased

[DarkMatter]

Originally Posted by calvary1980

are we talking about an image or rendering a game, cause this is interesting.

http://enthusiast.hardocp.com/articl...50aHVzaWFzdA==

keep in mind this is the 2900XT and is the only recent dirt I could find on either.

- Christine

It's about everything that you think that should be mentioned.

And thanks you for the link, since it's really interesting. I liked the transparency AA thing, that will look better on closer vegetation on Ati, but distant vegetation on Nvidia. But the difference is negligible anyway, and just shows how complicated is to say one is better than the other.

I don't think the thing with the flashlight is common nowadays. Any Ati owner can confirm please? If persist we can conclude that in this specific feature of this single one game Nvidia is the clear winner, but Ati looks ok too, just doesn't get the same effect. Not that you won't buy an Ati card because of this...

[pagalms]

Had both of them and i didn't see any difference in image quality.

[Lillebror]

Originally Posted by calvary1980

are we talking about an image or rendering a game, cause this is interesting.

http://enthusiast.hardocp.com/articl...50aHVzaWFzdA==

keep in mind this is the 2900XT and is the only recent dirt I could find on either.

- Christine

Maybe its just me.. But those flashlight shots - dosent the shadow on the walls look a little weird on the 8800?

[cdawall]

i have to go with nvidia i have used both and TBH i have an FX5700 that looks better than a 3850 (same monitor same res) and the WS cards from what i could see looked better on the NV cards than the ATi ones