SATA Cables

DanishDevil · Mar 25, 2008, 12:29 AM

Do you need a SATA2 cable to run a SATA2 drive at SATA2 speed on a SATA2 motherboard, or will any SATA cable work? I see some branded as SATA2, and some only as SATA. Are there really any differences? Will using a SATA1 cable with a SATA2 drive have any negative effects like limiting file transfer speed?

newtekie1 · Mar 25, 2008, 12:30 AM

There is no difference, just like there is no difference between SATA and SATA2.

panchoman · Mar 25, 2008, 12:33 AM

WTF

sata [150]= 1.5 mbps transfer speed
sata2(also called sata 3.0) = 3.0 mbps transfer speed

i see a difference newtekie.

as for the cables, tis a good question.

DanishDevil · Mar 25, 2008, 12:39 AM

Actually, you're both wrong

From Wikipedia.

I should probably rephrase the question, though.

Will using a SATA1 cable with a SATA2 drive have any negative effects? Like limiting file transfer speed. Doesn't seem like it would from the numbers, since my drive is sustained at about half of SATA1's capability.

panchoman · Mar 25, 2008, 12:43 AM

my bad, i need 1.5 gbps & 3.0 gbps and not mbps lol.

i think there might be a difference, just because a sata150 cable might not be built to withstand sata2 speeds.

DanishDevil · Mar 25, 2008, 12:45 AM

Yeah, but I don't think there are any drives out there that have over 150mb/s burst speeds. I mean shit, the Raptor's are still running off of Sata-150.

Nitro-Max · Mar 25, 2008, 12:47 AM

well i had a sata 2 mobo with sata 2 cable and sata 2 drive and most i got with hd tune benchmark was 75mb transfer peak so god knows were the rest went??

DanishDevil · Mar 25, 2008, 12:51 AM

Hard Drives aren't up to par with even SATA150 yet. It's just like 64-bit processing when it was released. It was future-proof but not needed or utilized yet.

Nitro-Max · Mar 25, 2008, 01:44 AM

So its a bit like pci-express 2.0 wont get the use it deserves till future cards can use up pci-e 1.1 bandwidth.

i see thanks man.

newtekie1 · Mar 25, 2008, 01:54 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by panchoman

WTF

sata [150]= 1.5 mbps transfer speed
sata2(also called sata 3.0) = 3.0 mbps transfer speed

i see a difference newtekie.

as for the cables, tis a good question.

It is only a technical difference, not an actual difference. There is no actual speed difference between SATA 1.5Gb/s and SATA 3.0GB/s.

DanishDevil · Mar 25, 2008, 01:56 AM

It will be an actual difference once drives catch up to that speed.

Who voted that I need a SATA2 cable? EXPLAIN YOURSELF!

imperialreign · Mar 25, 2008, 02:07 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DanishDevil

It will be an actual difference once drives catch up to that speed.

Who voted that I need a SATA2 cable? EXPLAIN YOURSELF!

someone just trying to mess with you . . . although, I do find it rather funny

I agree though, there's no difference in SATA cables to the best of my knowledge.

Nor are there any real world differences in speed, except for how it looks on paper. I have a SATA300 drive, and HD Tach, as well as SandraSoft and other's all show similar speeds to other 150 HDDs.

SATA-6 connections, though, I believe is supposed to truly be faster than 1.5 and 3.0 . . . if you're running a solid state disk.

DanishDevil · Mar 25, 2008, 02:11 AM

Yeah an SSD would sustain higher speeds, but not a typical hard drive.

COME FORWARD YEE NAY-SAYER!

MKmods · Mar 25, 2008, 02:14 AM

I have cut the cables apart to mod and they are the same (sata1 and 2)

The only difference I saw was most of the sata 2 cables had the metal lock tab.

PS: good thread DD.

DanishDevil · Mar 25, 2008, 02:17 AM

Yeah, I was looking for cheap UV SATA cables and wondered now that I have a SATA2 drive if the extra $4 a cable was worth it. Doesn't look like it.

imperialreign · Mar 25, 2008, 02:33 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DanishDevil

Yeah, I was looking for cheap UV SATA cables and wondered now that I have a SATA2 drive if the extra $4 a cable was worth it. Doesn't look like it.

That $4 = $1.50 for the extra ink to print the 2; $.50 to the manufacturer for extra profit; $.50 to the advertisers to cover the additional power needed to display a 2 on screen

MKmods · Mar 25, 2008, 02:34 AM

lol, a marketeer is born...

imperialreign · Mar 25, 2008, 02:37 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MKmods

lol, a marketeer is born...

y'know - when you see how sales and management in the automotive repair industry charge for stuff on a customers invoice . . . you realize that with a little ingenuity, any cost can be justified

newtekie1 · Mar 25, 2008, 11:51 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DanishDevil

It will be an actual difference once drives catch up to that speed.

Who voted that I need a SATA2 cable? EXPLAIN YOURSELF!

That was me, I'm sorry. I clicked on the wrong one. Ignore one vote for SATA2.

rampage · Mar 25, 2008, 12:02 PM

i am most likely wrong here but i was under the impression that sata2 cables were the same as sata1 except there were just better quality cables (metal tabs as mentioned earlier and more flexiable, ect)

END RANT

Tau · Mar 25, 2008, 12:30 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DanishDevil

Actually, you're both wrong

From Wikipedia.

I should probably rephrase the question, though.

Will using a SATA1 cable with a SATA2 drive have any negative effects? Like limiting file transfer speed. Doesn't seem like it would from the numbers, since my drive is sustained at about half of SATA1's capability.

Cables are cables. Period, have used both in multiple setups and have seen NO speed increase/decrease (even with just changing the cable)

I would also take that chart with a grain of salt as the REAL speed for Sata drives is more in around the 70-90MB/s mark, the 150/s is the maximum burst speed the controller is capable of. same goes for the Sata2 drives.

ex_reven · Mar 25, 2008, 12:37 PM

You need a sata 2 cable.
Otherwise your not leet and all your sata 2 toting friends will mock your technological demise. The cables should also be SLI and Vista certified.

Pinchy · Mar 25, 2008, 12:45 PM

I voted "It's more complicated than yes or no..."

Only because I could.

MKmods · Mar 25, 2008, 05:46 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by rampage

i am most likely wrong here but i was under the impression that sata2 cables were the same as sata1 except there were just better quality cables (metal tabs as mentioned earlier and more flexiable, ect)

END RANT

As to "Better", I say no (cheaper, yes). The tabs are cool, but the WD Secure Connect seems like a great idea to me.
http://www.wdc.com/en/products/wdsc50rcw.asp

I notice the newer cables are more stiff, and the ends are constantly breaking.

DanishDevil · Mar 25, 2008, 07:03 PM

The AC Ryan UV SATA cables are nice and flexible, but don't have the tabs. I've gotten SATA cables that weren't advertised as "SATA 2" cables that had the tabs in a motherboard box, so the tabs aren't particular to SATA 1 or 2, nor is flexibility.

I think it's pretty safe to say that any SATA cable's gonna work...

...that is unless all your friends' are SLI and Vista cert

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