What to expect from NVIDIA

W1zzard · Oct 9, 2005, 09:07 AM

To read this review go to: http://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/ATI/WhatToExpect/

GoLLuM4444 · Oct 10, 2005, 11:17 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by W1zzard

As I see it, this presentation could come from:

ATI
NVIDIA
User side

Ask yourself who has something to gain from making it.

I really don't think that's from nVidia - have you even read it??

W1zzard · Oct 10, 2005, 11:40 AM

cmon look at how cheap this presentation is done ... in theory nvidia could spread it, and given its quality, ati would look bad

GoLLuM4444 · Oct 10, 2005, 01:17 PM

I suppose so - but there are SOME good points in there and actual quotes of reviewers preferring ATi X1k series cards. I don't think nVidia would insult themselves just to make ATi look a bit cheap.

wtf8269 · Oct 10, 2005, 02:52 PM

The slide about prices made me feel a lot better, well really the whole thing made me feel a lot better. I think that means we can expect to see Sapphires, Connect3Ds, Xtasys, etc at a price similar to the 7800s on newegg.

djbbenn · Oct 10, 2005, 03:12 PM

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Originally Posted by W1zzard

cmon look at how cheap this presentation is done ... in theory nvidia could spread it, and given its quality, ati would look bad

Yeah, I agree. When I first saw it, it made me think of why would ATI do that. It could very easily make ATI look bad.

-Dan

Oct 10, 2005, 04:46 PM

The only thing which matters is the FINAL price and the REAL performance of cards which you can BUY in shop. I don't care about reviews of cards which comes in quantity of 1000's.

I hate all these "unknown author slides".

Both ATI and NVidia have serious problems with chip production. Both have problems with architecture (for example ATI: how to sample texture in vertex shader on X1000 family ?, NVIDIA: why is anisotropic filtering quality on GF 6 & 7 series worse than on GF FX ?).

The worst thing that can happen is that there will be only one of them. So I hope, they'll remain competitive each other and we will benefit from it.

ChAce · Oct 10, 2005, 04:54 PM

That's not nVidia's, at any rate, why would you make your own company ridiculous? Perhaps its an unhappy employee, but other than that, no way. It's probably not ATi's either, would be a bit of a sad performance really. I've seen this kind of slides in favor of nVidia too, kind of a similar level. I think its user side...

Polaris573 · Oct 11, 2005, 01:08 AM

The price slide is wrong unless it's not in USD:

$365 for a 7800GT not $499
$439 for X1800XL not $549

and so on....

I think it was created by a user. He or she is probably really excited that it got posted and we're spending our time discussing it. It makes some interesting points, but since the source is unknown it can't really be trusted.

djbbenn · Oct 11, 2005, 01:57 AM

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Originally Posted by Polaris573

The price slide is wrong unless it's not in USD

I wish they were in Canadian.

GTX goes for about $650 here.

-Dan

Homeless · Oct 11, 2005, 03:52 AM

Seems poorly put together, I also find the pricing to be outrageously bad

Oct 11, 2005, 07:25 AM

THe pricing on the NV cards are wrong,
you would get 6600 GT at 170, and atleast a 6800 XL at 249!!!!
LOW END IS EVEN LOWER!

zAAm · Oct 11, 2005, 08:29 AM

If you would read the slide you would know the pricing is MSRP!! NOT what you pay on newegg and such. Sheesh

stop whining.

Bob The Fish · Oct 11, 2005, 09:14 AM

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Originally Posted by djbbenn

I wish they were in Canadian.

GTX goes for about $650 here.

-Dan

i 2ed that one dan

W1zzard · Oct 11, 2005, 11:16 AM

just got news .. this presentation really is from ati

GoLLuM4444 · Oct 11, 2005, 11:47 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by W1zzard

just got news .. this presentation really is from ati

Didn't think they'd sink so low.

djbbenn · Oct 11, 2005, 11:54 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by GoLLuM4444

Didn't think they'd sink so low.

Ya really...

-Dan

Polaris573 · Oct 11, 2005, 02:16 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by zAAm

If you would read the slide you would know the pricing is MSRP!! NOT what you pay on newegg and such. Sheesh

stop whining.

Woops, You're correct. I didn't pay close enough attention.

Nyte · Oct 11, 2005, 06:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Polaris573

Woops, You're correct. I didn't pay close enough attention.

This is THE deception that nVidia uses against people. The confusion between MSRP and street price.

If you go to every forum out there (even in Rage3D), you'll find people complaining about the outrageous prices when infact they are comparing ATi's MSRP to nVidia's street price. Deception at its best.

ChAce · Oct 11, 2005, 07:02 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by W1zzard

just got news .. this presentation really is from ati

Wow... That low, its nVidia's own tactics

Oct 11, 2005, 09:58 PM

i supose that it's good to know all this facts, and whe shouldn't accuse ATi or who had made this presentation (except of course that they are incorrect, which after what i knew before is pretty much true).

Oct 11, 2005, 10:10 PM

bah, welcome to the REAL world. standard presentment to customers from sellers - why would then choose ATI if they already bought in to nV's "lies" - the sales pitch ofcource.

Oct 12, 2005, 01:35 AM

read the one that talks about the pixel shader stuff from xbitlabs..........driver what???? 66.81.....how many drivers have been released since then........HELLO.....this is utter bull shit!!!!!!

If you believe it your a fricken morron.........

Bob The Fish · Oct 12, 2005, 08:13 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ChAce

Wow... That low, its nVidia's own tactics

what a surpise

Cainam · Oct 12, 2005, 12:37 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Nyte

This is THE deception that nVidia uses against people. The confusion between MSRP and street price.

If you go to every forum out there (even in Rage3D), you'll find people complaining about the outrageous prices when infact they are comparing ATi's MSRP to nVidia's street price. Deception at its best.

it's not deception at all. it's reality, at least in the short term until ati ships in quantity. too many people were stung by the fact ati's product deliver were so bad, that for quite some time ati's street prices were higher than MSRP.

there are 2 facts right now. 1) you can't purchase an x800xt at any price, and 2) you can purchase 7800 GT's (and even GTX's) for less money than you cna an x1800XL.

the bottom line is that it's ATI who is trying to create confusion about how much these products will cost.

Oct 9, 2005, 09:07 AM	#1
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Oct 10, 2005, 01:17 PM	#4
GoLLuM4444 Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: UK Posts: 229 (0.07/day) Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	I suppose so - but there are SOME good points in there and actual quotes of reviewers preferring ATi X1k series cards. I don't think nVidia would insult themselves just to make ATi look a bit cheap. __________________ AMD Athlon 64 FX-57 on Mach 2 R507 (14x257 Mhz = 3.6Ghz) DFI Lanparty UT NF4 SLi-DR 1Gb Corsair BH-5 (2-2-2-6) (1:1) SLi 7800GTXs @ 630/1550 Waterchilled and Votmodded 3DMark05 16309 Cascades coming soon.

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Oct 10, 2005, 04:46 PM	#7
Aiko Guest Posts: n/a (0/day)	Cheap, very cheap The only thing which matters is the FINAL price and the REAL performance of cards which you can BUY in shop. I don't care about reviews of cards which comes in quantity of 1000's. I hate all these "unknown author slides". Both ATI and NVidia have serious problems with chip production. Both have problems with architecture (for example ATI: how to sample texture in vertex shader on X1000 family ?, NVIDIA: why is anisotropic filtering quality on GF 6 & 7 series worse than on GF FX ?). The worst thing that can happen is that there will be only one of them. So I hope, they'll remain competitive each other and we will benefit from it.

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ChAce Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Netherlands Posts: 183 (0.06/day) Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	That's not nVidia's, at any rate, why would you make your own company ridiculous? Perhaps its an unhappy employee, but other than that, no way. It's probably not ATi's either, would be a bit of a sad performance really. I've seen this kind of slides in favor of nVidia too, kind of a similar level. I think its user side... __________________ RIG Earth's full, go home! Life's tough, get a helmet! Fight crime, shoot back! [THE PHOTOSHOP MASTER]

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Oct 11, 2005, 07:25 AM	#12
Unregistered Guest Posts: n/a (0/day)	NV pricing are wrong!! THe pricing on the NV cards are wrong, you would get 6600 GT at 170, and atleast a 6800 XL at 249!!!! LOW END IS EVEN LOWER!

Oct 11, 2005, 08:29 AM	#13
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Oct 11, 2005, 09:58 PM	#21
ozzz Guest Posts: n/a (0/day)	i supose that it's good to know all this facts, and whe shouldn't accuse ATi or who had made this presentation (except of course that they are incorrect, which after what i knew before is pretty much true).

Oct 11, 2005, 10:10 PM	#22
Unregistered Guest Posts: n/a (0/day)	bah, welcome to the REAL world. standard presentment to customers from sellers - why would then choose ATI if they already bought in to nV's "lies" - the sales pitch ofcource.

Oct 12, 2005, 01:35 AM	#23
Unregistered Guest Posts: n/a (0/day)	read the one that talks about the pixel shader stuff from xbitlabs..........driver what???? 66.81.....how many drivers have been released since then........HELLO.....this is utter bull shit!!!!!! If you believe it your a fricken morron.........

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