Cooling issues on stock speeds.

paybackdaman · Apr 14, 2008, 02:44 AM

Ok, so I have an Athlon x2 5200+ 90nm w/ an arctic cooling Freezer 64 pro. It is idling right now @ 40 degrees C. So here is the scenario. I have recently moved into a place that didn't have AC. I went from 74 degrees F to 90 degrees F. So my core temps sored to almost 47 degrees C. I didn't see any problems with that as it was hot. When it was in 74 degree F it was running at 30-31 degrees C at idle. Now I have AC again and it is 75 degrees right now, I was wondering why my comp is idling @ 40 degrees C? I have cool n' quiet enabled (not overvolting or anything), and all fans are dust free. Wire management is good...could it be the MX-2 thermal paste was affected by the vast temp change and just needs to be reset? In which case i'll just pick up some Arctic Silver 5 as I am out of MX-2. (*note* placement of the computer is exactly the same as in my old house)

paybackdaman · Apr 14, 2008, 03:30 AM

no advice?

ShadowFold · Apr 14, 2008, 03:33 AM

Even with the best air cooler you can get temps below what your ambient temp is(like the degrees in your room).

paybackdaman · Apr 14, 2008, 03:40 AM

I am a bit confused by your answer...are you saying you "can't" get it below your ambient temp? I understand that, but I was wondering why the 9 degree difference (in Celsius) on idle speeds with a 1 degree difference (in Fahrenheit) of room temperature.

I see where it is confusing shadow, I have Air conditioning again...i am no longer in 90 degrees anymore, I'm now at 75 degrees (in Fahrenheit).

Thermopylae_480 · Apr 14, 2008, 03:47 AM

Your heatsink could have shifted in the move. It wouldn't hurt trying to reset it with new thermal paste. In the meantime press on all the fasteners to make sure none of them are loose.

sneekypeet · Apr 14, 2008, 03:48 AM

you could have knocked your cooler loose, but MX2 is non curing, so I doubt its the TIM at fault here. Possibly bad contact from the move tho. Wont hurt one but to pull the cooler and reaply the TIM.

Edit: damn your fast thermo....lol

hat · Apr 14, 2008, 03:50 AM

90F is like 32C, so I think the contact between the heatsink got messed up in the move like Thermo said. Get your hands on some AS5 or something else that's good and re-apply. Wouldn't hurt to blow out the heatsink with a can of air as you reseat, either.

paybackdaman · Apr 14, 2008, 03:51 AM

Alright. So I am just gonna pick up some more AC5. Thanks for the advice guys. You'll hear nothing more about this unless it doesn't work...then again planning on going to Spider arch. so this will be just a "in the meantime" thing. Thanks again though.

sneekypeet · Apr 14, 2008, 03:51 AM

Um.... MX2 is "good" its rated better than AS5

hat · Apr 14, 2008, 03:57 AM

My 5200+ Windsor idles at 30c and loads at 40-42c at 1.33v, about 68f ambiant

paybackdaman · Apr 14, 2008, 04:01 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by sneekypeet

Um.... MX2 is "good" its rated better than AS5

Yeah, it also doesn't have metal so less chance of shock damage if you get it on your motherboard, I've just always used AS5 and I only used MX-2 because it was already on the heatsink.

Quote:

Originally Posted by hat

My 5200+ Windsor idles at 30c and loads at 40-42c at 1.33v, about 68f ambiant

Mine used too before I moved.

hat · Apr 14, 2008, 04:04 AM

I doubt a jump from 74 to 90 would make that big of a difference. It got messed up in the move.

paybackdaman · Apr 14, 2008, 04:06 AM

Yeah. It must have...I was wondering though. Would I see a difference if i upgraded to a Zalmann? I was on a budget when i built this computer and couldn't afford it, but now I have the cash, and was wondering would it be worth the $45+?

sneekypeet · Apr 14, 2008, 04:13 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by paybackdaman

Yeah. It must have...I was wondering though. Would I see a difference if i upgraded to a Zalmann? I was on a budget when i built this computer and couldn't afford it, but now I have the cash, and was wondering would it be worth the $45+?

yes and no. It will perform better than stock, but there are better coolers out there for the money. Having a Zalman 9500 myself, the flaw I see , is that the zalman isnt for "extreme" OC's as it gets saturated with heat easily at higher voltages.

the Arctic Coolers are usually great performers for the money, also the Xigmatech line is getting lots of good words from users here as well!

I say stick with yours over $45 at a zalman....or look at a couple of shoot outs on coolers and see what is better than your AC.

hat · Apr 14, 2008, 04:14 AM

I wouldn't use Zalman. They're too expensive for the cooling they do. Stick with your current cooler, but if you really want to upgrade it, go with something like this:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16835233001

ShadowFold · Apr 14, 2008, 04:15 AM

Yea im gonna pick up that Xigmatek with my next rig

[I.R.A]_FBi · Apr 14, 2008, 04:21 AM

+1 on xigmatec

hat · Apr 14, 2008, 04:21 AM

I will use my Freezer 64 as long as I can!! I'm very happy with it. XIGMATEK is great for people who want cheap performance though.

paybackdaman · Apr 14, 2008, 11:44 AM

Don't get me wrong. I love the Freezer 64 pro, I just thought with the $45 price tag you would just actually recieve something that keeps it cooler. But yeah, how is the freezer 64 on the Phenom 9850?

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paybackdaman Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: Clermont, FL Posts: 397 (0.21/day) Thanks: 62 Thanked 46 Times in 40 Posts System Specs	Cooling issues on stock speeds. Ok, so I have an Athlon x2 5200+ 90nm w/ an arctic cooling Freezer 64 pro. It is idling right now @ 40 degrees C. So here is the scenario. I have recently moved into a place that didn't have AC. I went from 74 degrees F to 90 degrees F. So my core temps sored to almost 47 degrees C. I didn't see any problems with that as it was hot. When it was in 74 degree F it was running at 30-31 degrees C at idle. Now I have AC again and it is 75 degrees right now, I was wondering why my comp is idling @ 40 degrees C? I have cool n' quiet enabled (not overvolting or anything), and all fans are dust free. Wire management is good...could it be the MX-2 thermal paste was affected by the vast temp change and just needs to be reset? In which case i'll just pick up some Arctic Silver 5 as I am out of MX-2. (note placement of the computer is exactly the same as in my old house) __________________ "I get what I get all despite you, I get what I get just to spite you." -The Raconteurs

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paybackdaman Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: Clermont, FL Posts: 397 (0.21/day) Thanks: 62 Thanked 46 Times in 40 Posts System Specs	I am a bit confused by your answer...are you saying you "can't" get it below your ambient temp? I understand that, but I was wondering why the 9 degree difference (in Celsius) on idle speeds with a 1 degree difference (in Fahrenheit) of room temperature. I see where it is confusing shadow, I have Air conditioning again...i am no longer in 90 degrees anymore, I'm now at 75 degrees (in Fahrenheit). __________________ "I get what I get all despite you, I get what I get just to spite you." -The Raconteurs Last edited by paybackdaman; Apr 14, 2008 at 03:48 AM.

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sneekypeet Unpaid Babysitter Join Date: Apr 2006 Posts: 19,022 (7.32/day) Thanks: 3,039 Thanked 5,488 Times in 3,951 Posts System Specs	you could have knocked your cooler loose, but MX2 is non curing, so I doubt its the TIM at fault here. Possibly bad contact from the move tho. Wont hurt one but to pull the cooler and reaply the TIM. Edit: damn your fast thermo....lol __________________ Hers: ASUS Maximus V Gene / i7 3770K / Swiftech H220 / 4X8GB Corsair Dominators / ASUS GTX660 / Corsair AX-760 / Windows 7 64bit / Fractal Design ARC Midi R2 Test: Gigabyte Z68X-UD4-B3 / i7 2600K / A lot Of Coolers / Ripjaws Currently / HIS HD7950 IceQ Turbo / Silverstone SST-ST85F-G / Windows 7 64bit / InWin D-Frame Limited Edition

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Apr 14, 2008, 03:51 AM	#8
paybackdaman Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: Clermont, FL Posts: 397 (0.21/day) Thanks: 62 Thanked 46 Times in 40 Posts System Specs	Alright. So I am just gonna pick up some more AC5. Thanks for the advice guys. You'll hear nothing more about this unless it doesn't work...then again planning on going to Spider arch. so this will be just a "in the meantime" thing. Thanks again though. __________________ "I get what I get all despite you, I get what I get just to spite you." -The Raconteurs

Apr 14, 2008, 03:57 AM	#10
hat Maximum Overclocker Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Ohio Posts: 12,236 (5.15/day) Thanks: 2,054 Thanked 2,039 Times in 1,549 Posts System Specs	My 5200+ Windsor idles at 30c and loads at 40-42c at 1.33v, about 68f ambiant __________________ My Heatware “Inb4 smartphone LN2 overclocking.” -radrok

Apr 14, 2008, 04:04 AM	#12
hat Maximum Overclocker Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Ohio Posts: 12,236 (5.15/day) Thanks: 2,054 Thanked 2,039 Times in 1,549 Posts System Specs	I doubt a jump from 74 to 90 would make that big of a difference. It got messed up in the move. __________________ My Heatware “Inb4 smartphone LN2 overclocking.” -radrok

Apr 14, 2008, 04:06 AM	#13
paybackdaman Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: Clermont, FL Posts: 397 (0.21/day) Thanks: 62 Thanked 46 Times in 40 Posts System Specs	Yeah. It must have...I was wondering though. Would I see a difference if i upgraded to a Zalmann? I was on a budget when i built this computer and couldn't afford it, but now I have the cash, and was wondering would it be worth the $45+? __________________ "I get what I get all despite you, I get what I get just to spite you." -The Raconteurs

Apr 14, 2008, 04:14 AM	#15
hat Maximum Overclocker Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Ohio Posts: 12,236 (5.15/day) Thanks: 2,054 Thanked 2,039 Times in 1,549 Posts System Specs	I wouldn't use Zalman. They're too expensive for the cooling they do. Stick with your current cooler, but if you really want to upgrade it, go with something like this: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16835233001 __________________ My Heatware “Inb4 smartphone LN2 overclocking.” -radrok

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Apr 14, 2008, 11:44 AM	#19
paybackdaman Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: Clermont, FL Posts: 397 (0.21/day) Thanks: 62 Thanked 46 Times in 40 Posts System Specs	Don't get me wrong. I love the Freezer 64 pro, I just thought with the $45 price tag you would just actually recieve something that keeps it cooler. But yeah, how is the freezer 64 on the Phenom 9850? __________________ "I get what I get all despite you, I get what I get just to spite you." -The Raconteurs

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