Phenom 9850BE low voltage overclocking results! - Page 8

AphexDreamer · May 15, 2008, 11:52 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jkatt12

installed amd overdrive, said it didnt detect my cpu, installed the fix (engine.dll) to that directory and its still not working, getting AMD OverDrive cannot detect AMD 7-series chipset on this computer. guess this utility is made for the ati or amd 780g chipset or something?

Well first of all, did you download the latest version?
2.0.17 or something like that.

And when you installed the .dll file, did you put in the right place. Not trying to implie anything here, just double checking for ya.

fullinfusion · May 15, 2008, 02:51 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kei

As far as max temps being 60C I didn't mean it won't go above that temperature...I was saying that AMD states that you should NOT exceed those temperatures! That is the temperature that I believe is when things can begin to enter the danger zone when the chip will start degrading...at least that's the safe limit they say not to exceed.

I would NEVER EVER EVER EVER EVER try to run at 80C again under any circumstance unless you paid me enough to buy another system as that could be the last thing you do...

You're way past dangerous territory at 80C and I really hope that was a type

Please be careful because I don't want you to end up with a score of 0 because it's dead.

K

Oh i hear what your saying K.... I wish it was a type

but no it wasn't... believe me i'll never let it go to those extremes again...

fullinfusion · May 15, 2008, 02:55 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by adrianx

so... I read... and I read...

the temperature maxim for 9850 is? 60 degree or what?

from the systems specs.. I see a very different configuration.

I have a big question I have a zalman cnps-8700cu cooler and the phenom stock cooler, from this two what is the best

I ask that because the surface of the my zalman is 30x34 millimeter and the surface of the cpu is 40x40 millimeter.

the idea is to put the phenom in 2800-3000mhz on air if this is possible. If not... I will be forced to build an water cooling system.

I'd use the Zalman cooler Adrianx... And yeah i also read that the 9850 has a 60c rating on it....And Hey K.... I was just trying to cycle the Arctic silver 5 paste at 80c lol..... JJ

jkatt12 · May 15, 2008, 04:10 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by AphexDreamer

Well first of all, did you download the latest version?
2.0.17 or something like that.

And when you installed the .dll file, did you put in the right place. Not trying to implie anything here, just double checking for ya.

yes i sure did. it wouldnt overwrite the engine.dll file but i was able to rename it and copy the new file into place. 1st it said no cpu supported found, then next it said the k7 msg.

fullinfusion · May 15, 2008, 04:21 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jkatt12

yes i sure did. it wouldnt overwrite the engine.dll file but i was able to rename it and copy the new file into place. 1st it said no cpu supported found, then next it said the k7 msg.

Is that an nforce chipset?
I'm not sure aod is compatible with that chip set... I'm not sure though..
I have only heard of the amd 7 series chip sets work with aod but like i said im really not sure.. I know there is a program from nvidia you can download thats the same as aod... Ill look around and see if i can find it... and its not ntune... they called it something else... shoot the memory is still sleeping...

fullinfusion · May 15, 2008, 04:31 PM

Here's the link lol... i had to go to XFX site and open an older ticket for a problem i had before when i was running an 8800gt
http://www.nvidia.com/object/nforce_...ools_6.00.html

Kei · May 15, 2008, 06:53 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by fullinfusion

And Hey K.... I was just trying to cycle the Arctic silver 5 paste at 80c lol..... JJ

You just made my day hahahahahahahahahaha

thank you for that

Kei · May 15, 2008, 07:06 PM

Okay I've not posted too much lately because I've been reading up and putting together a bunch of numbers for what I wanted to do next. As you all know I wanted some faster ram than the 800Mhz that I was using (though it'll clock higher of course). I finally decided to try something new today and it's in testing right now.

Sadly I can't see it at it's fullest potential due to the bios restraints we have right now. When I'm using 1067 mode (2.66 divider) I am unable to select timings of >5 for everything except CAS which I can still set to 3 and up.

I'm running right now at 4-5-5-15-21 as I am ALSO unable to set timings of >15 for the tRAS setting. Stock timings for the ram I bought are 5-5-5-12 but I can't set it to that because of the issues I said earlier. I can do 5-5-5-15 but I wanted to see how much lower I could go (if any) at the stock timings.

The ram I'm using right now is Patriot Extreme PC9200 (aka f*&k all fast 1150Mhz), I chose that over the PC9600 which was only a few dollars more because of all the reviews I read. This ram in all of the reviews is able to achieve the PC9600 (1200Mhz) speeds and exceed them up to 1250Mhz in the lowest review and 1280Mhz in the highest. I have no idea if my set will do so but I don't really need it to anyway...that's my weapon. I just want the lowest timings I can possibly get at an adequate speed. Sadly until the bios gets new options I'm stuck at 4-5-5-15 but hopefully it won't take long.

I'm running at 570Mhz (1104Mhz) and 3Ghz right now with a NB set at 2.354Ghz for testing to see how well it goes. I'll let you guys know what I come up with and how far I can go once it's had time to set in.

My big goal is to see how far I can go on 1T timing really...so far I've booted just fine at 450Mhz 1T with CAS4. I've made it to windows at 460Mhz and passed post at 470Mhz all 1T. I'm using the stock voltage right now and haven't done any testing on higher volts but I'll get to that maybe a week from now or so.

Since my best SuperPi times were done with 395Mhz 1T with 4-4-3 timings I'm certain I can beat those easily with this ram.

I'll keep you guys posted

K

AphexDreamer · May 15, 2008, 08:29 PM

Wow, good luck man.

You think my Balstrix Tracers can operate at 1066?

zaqwsx · May 15, 2008, 09:34 PM

Just got my Phenom 9850 ill post some oc's when i have a chance!

fullinfusion · May 15, 2008, 09:42 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kei

You just made my day hahahahahahahahahaha

thank you for that

LMAO!!!! glad to hear i made someone's day hehehe

fullinfusion · May 15, 2008, 09:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kei

Okay I've not posted too much lately because I've been reading up and putting together a bunch of numbers for what I wanted to do next. As you all know I wanted some faster ram than the 800Mhz that I was using (though it'll clock higher of course). I finally decided to try something new today and it's in testing right now.

Sadly I can't see it at it's fullest potential due to the bios restraints we have right now. When I'm using 1067 mode (2.66 divider) I am unable to select timings of >5 for everything except CAS which I can still set to 3 and up.

I'm running right now at 4-5-5-15-21 as I am ALSO unable to set timings of >15 for the tRAS setting. Stock timings for the ram I bought are 5-5-5-12 but I can't set it to that because of the issues I said earlier. I can do 5-5-5-15 but I wanted to see how much lower I could go (if any) at the stock timings.

The ram I'm using right now is Patriot Extreme PC9200 (aka f*&k all fast 1150Mhz), I chose that over the PC9600 which was only a few dollars more because of all the reviews I read. This ram in all of the reviews is able to achieve the PC9600 (1200Mhz) speeds and exceed them up to 1250Mhz in the lowest review and 1280Mhz in the highest. I have no idea if my set will do so but I don't really need it to anyway...that's my weapon. I just want the lowest timings I can possibly get at an adequate speed. Sadly until the bios gets new options I'm stuck at 4-5-5-15 but hopefully it won't take long.

I'm running at 570Mhz (1104Mhz) and 3Ghz right now with a NB set at 2.354Ghz for testing to see how well it goes. I'll let you guys know what I come up with and how far I can go once it's had time to set in.

My big goal is to see how far I can go on 1T timing really...so far I've booted just fine at 450Mhz 1T with CAS4. I've made it to windows at 460Mhz and passed post at 470Mhz all 1T. I'm using the stock voltage right now and haven't done any testing on higher volts but I'll get to that maybe a week from now or so.

Since my best SuperPi times were done with 395Mhz 1T with 4-4-3 timings I'm certain I can beat those easily with this ram.

I'll keep you guys posted

K

Hey K
Is it possible that since your only using 3 sticks that it might be the problem?
You wont be in duel channel mode unless you have just 2 or 4 sticks in place...
What the hell is 1T mode?
I tried to set it to 1T and it didn't even get to the post screen...
Heck i had to clear the RTC just to get back into the bios...
Good luck my friend and hope ya the best on your new project

fullinfusion · May 15, 2008, 09:55 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by AphexDreamer

Wow, good luck man.

You think my Balstrix Tracers can operate at 1066?

I heard that is good ram Aphex... I'm using corsair sticks and they run fine at 892 and have had them up to just over 1000MHz with a fan blowing over them...
I read that the lower the rating of voltage at 4.4.4.12 @2.10v is better then the same @2.20v
I wouldn't mind getting the Tracer sticks for myself but i hear and i quote HEAR that the led's make the tracer sticks run pretty warm compared to the same without the led's...
I don't think you can set 800mhz sticks to run 1066 in the bios? or can ya?

fullinfusion · May 15, 2008, 10:03 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by zaqwsx

Just got my Phenom 9850 ill post some oc's when i have a chance!

Kinda low mark06 scores for crossfire... i was getting better numbers using one 3870... you sure you have the crossfire enabled? and your bios plug n play on YES as well as a few other settings in the bios adjusted...
Just thinking it was low for what you have and thought you might want to see if everything is configured properly thats all..
And getadder start posting your o/c's of the sweet Phenom

zaqwsx · May 15, 2008, 11:31 PM

Well with the new 9850 with stock everything i score 12900 in 06. Btw my 3870 is downclocked becasue of the 3850. There was a tool you could use to oc each card saperatly but I forgot what it was.

fullinfusion · May 15, 2008, 11:42 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by zaqwsx

Well with the new 9850 with stock everything i score 12900 in 06. Btw my 3870 is downclocked becasue of the 3850. There was a tool you could use to oc each card saperatly but I forgot what it was.

shoot i have the program here and use it when benching... it's amd gpu clock tool... ill go look in my other thread and see if i can get ya the link unless Aphex remembers it.. be back

fullinfusion · May 15, 2008, 11:44 PM

here ya go mate.. i found it.
http://rapidshare.com/files/10099070...kTool.zip.html

fullinfusion · May 16, 2008, 01:04 AM

First stress test failed at these numbers.... only after about 2min...
Now it's been 40 min and all i did was raise the memory voltage to 2.20 and set my timings
@4.4.4.12.22 T2 and before they were 4.4.4.12.21 T2
What's a good time limit to run a stress... 1hr ok?

Kei · May 16, 2008, 01:32 AM

Si, 1 hour is good for most intents and purposes depending on how you're stressing it of course. If you're going to be really really really serious about it though then let a test (full system) run for 4-xxx hours and then you will have no worries. But either way 1 hour is good enough to let you know that you're "stable enough"

.

Btw...what ram speed are you running at and what cpu voltage for that run?

K

p.s
1T is a command rate time for memory which is faster than 2T (thus it's #1 haha...I'm corny) but you need some really good ram to run that or low speeds. That or of course voltage which is not worth it because the boost isn't huge anyway. I'd focus more on lowering your timings instead. And as for my 3 sticks of ram...I have no idea where you got that haha. I'm only running 2 sticks of ram unless I'm using 3 or more gigs when I fill the slots up I never run an odd number of sticks so I can keep dual channel.

p.s.s
New SuperPi 32M time at 23minutes 8.181seconds

closing in on 22minutes

fullinfusion · May 16, 2008, 01:46 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kei

Si, 1 hour is good for most intents and purposes depending on how you're stressing it of course. If you're going to be really really really serious about it though then let a test (full system) run for 4-xxx hours and then you will have no worries. But either way 1 hour is good enough to let you know that you're "stable enough"

.

Btw...what ram speed are you running at and what cpu voltage for that run?

K

p.s
1T is a command rate time for memory which is faster than 2T (thus it's #1 haha...I'm corny) but you need some really good ram to run that or low speeds. That or of course voltage which is not worth it because the boost isn't huge anyway. I'd focus more on lowering your timings instead. And as for my 3 sticks of ram...I have no idea where you got that haha. I'm only running 2 sticks of ram unless I'm using 3 or more gigs when I fill the slots up I never run an odd number of sticks so I can keep dual channel.

p.s.s
New SuperPi 32M time at 23minutes 8.181seconds

closing in on 22minutes

Ok cooool K.... I'm running the ram at auto... 800MHz clocked to 900MHz on the nose and the cpu core is showing 1.36 on the cpuid but in the bios i have it set to 1.3750v..
And sweet keep her going...

Kei · May 16, 2008, 01:50 AM

Ah, koo I bet you still have some more speed left in those modules. All this time I thought you were using 1066ram for some reason. I wonder how high those will go, I haven't used them before.

My GeIL ram went to 1066 (well a little over) on 2.3v but they're rated higher (voltage wise) than what you're using right now. Either way if the timings are set right on that you'll notice a very nice speed boost indeed.

K

fullinfusion · May 16, 2008, 01:58 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kei

Ah, koo I bet you still have some more speed left in those modules. All this time I thought you were using 1066ram for some reason. I wonder how high those will go, I haven't used them before.

My GeIL ram went to 1066 (well a little over) on 2.3v but they're rated higher (voltage wise) than what you're using right now. Either way if the timings are set right on that you'll notice a very nice speed boost indeed.

K

OOOohK K lol no i've always ran the Corsair 800MHz stick's and a Guru in here said id have no problem getting 1000+ outa these sticks.... How besides crankin up the fsb do i get the memory to clock higher?

Kei · May 16, 2008, 02:02 AM

Stop using the 800Mhz divider (x2) and use the 1066 divider (x2.66). I don't know if your ram will run at 1066 mode so I can't say that it'd work and you may have to clear the cmos again if it doesn't post or come back on.

If not then just keep boosting the HT Bus speed until you can get it higher. Why not just try an even 1000Mhz by using 250Mhz HT Bus and 12x cpu multiplier (8x for northbridge and ht link gives you 2.0Ghz stock

). Try it at the same 2.1v and see what happens.

Set the timing to 5-5-5-15-21 though or leave them on auto (it'll prolly choose that) and see what happens. Make sure you use 2T though

K

fullinfusion · May 16, 2008, 02:08 AM

well sunshine lol im kinda in the middle of stressing at the moment but in about an hour ill try but i was just going to msg you saying that i believe my memory might be the cause of my instability....
but yeah for sure I'll giver a shot and see what happens...
I WANT TO PLAY GEAR'S OF WAR DAMMIT lol

fullinfusion · May 16, 2008, 02:20 AM

I just Pulled out a sock from under my mattress with a grand in it.... HMMM... Thinking of going with a phase exchanger for the cpu cooling.... Dam -20c would give alotta room for o/c'n hey.
I sent in a rma to thermaltake and there replacing the water block.... HHmmM... na a phaze unit wont leak an my precious lol

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May 15, 2008, 07:06 PM	#183
Kei Join Date: Mar 2008 Posts: 1,733 (0.91/day) Thanks: 1,936 Thanked 618 Times in 507 Posts System Specs	In other news...secret weapon in the works Okay I've not posted too much lately because I've been reading up and putting together a bunch of numbers for what I wanted to do next. As you all know I wanted some faster ram than the 800Mhz that I was using (though it'll clock higher of course). I finally decided to try something new today and it's in testing right now. Sadly I can't see it at it's fullest potential due to the bios restraints we have right now. When I'm using 1067 mode (2.66 divider) I am unable to select timings of >5 for everything except CAS which I can still set to 3 and up. I'm running right now at 4-5-5-15-21 as I am ALSO unable to set timings of >15 for the tRAS setting. Stock timings for the ram I bought are 5-5-5-12 but I can't set it to that because of the issues I said earlier. I can do 5-5-5-15 but I wanted to see how much lower I could go (if any) at the stock timings. The ram I'm using right now is Patriot Extreme PC9200 (aka f*&k all fast 1150Mhz), I chose that over the PC9600 which was only a few dollars more because of all the reviews I read. This ram in all of the reviews is able to achieve the PC9600 (1200Mhz) speeds and exceed them up to 1250Mhz in the lowest review and 1280Mhz in the highest. I have no idea if my set will do so but I don't really need it to anyway...that's my weapon. I just want the lowest timings I can possibly get at an adequate speed. Sadly until the bios gets new options I'm stuck at 4-5-5-15 but hopefully it won't take long. I'm running at 570Mhz (1104Mhz) and 3Ghz right now with a NB set at 2.354Ghz for testing to see how well it goes. I'll let you guys know what I come up with and how far I can go once it's had time to set in. My big goal is to see how far I can go on 1T timing really...so far I've booted just fine at 450Mhz 1T with CAS4. I've made it to windows at 460Mhz and passed post at 470Mhz all 1T. I'm using the stock voltage right now and haven't done any testing on higher volts but I'll get to that maybe a week from now or so. Since my best SuperPi times were done with 395Mhz 1T with 4-4-3 timings I'm certain I can beat those easily with this ram. I'll keep you guys posted K

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May 15, 2008, 11:31 PM	#190
zaqwsx Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: New York Posts: 841 (0.36/day) Thanks: 138 Thanked 64 Times in 56 Posts System Specs	Well with the new 9850 with stock everything i score 12900 in 06. Btw my 3870 is downclocked becasue of the 3850. There was a tool you could use to oc each card saperatly but I forgot what it was. __________________ By: Zach (zaqwsx) (zach90z)

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fullinfusion 1.21 Gigawatts Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: CANADA Posts: 5,448 (2.78/day) Thanks: 2,688 Thanked 1,294 Times in 1,092 Posts System Specs	here ya go mate.. i found it. http://rapidshare.com/files/10099070...kTool.zip.html __________________ CPU-Z validation sig pics temporarily blocked

May 16, 2008, 01:04 AM	#193
fullinfusion 1.21 Gigawatts Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: CANADA Posts: 5,448 (2.78/day) Thanks: 2,688 Thanked 1,294 Times in 1,092 Posts System Specs	First stress test failed at these numbers.... only after about 2min... Now it's been 40 min and all i did was raise the memory voltage to 2.20 and set my timings @4.4.4.12.22 T2 and before they were 4.4.4.12.21 T2 What's a good time limit to run a stress... 1hr ok? __________________ CPU-Z validation sig pics temporarily blocked

May 16, 2008, 01:32 AM	#194
Kei Join Date: Mar 2008 Posts: 1,733 (0.91/day) Thanks: 1,936 Thanked 618 Times in 507 Posts System Specs	Si, 1 hour is good for most intents and purposes depending on how you're stressing it of course. If you're going to be really really really serious about it though then let a test (full system) run for 4-xxx hours and then you will have no worries. But either way 1 hour is good enough to let you know that you're "stable enough" . Btw...what ram speed are you running at and what cpu voltage for that run? K p.s 1T is a command rate time for memory which is faster than 2T (thus it's #1 haha...I'm corny) but you need some really good ram to run that or low speeds. That or of course voltage which is not worth it because the boost isn't huge anyway. I'd focus more on lowering your timings instead. And as for my 3 sticks of ram...I have no idea where you got that haha. I'm only running 2 sticks of ram unless I'm using 3 or more gigs when I fill the slots up I never run an odd number of sticks so I can keep dual channel. p.s.s New SuperPi 32M time at 23minutes 8.181seconds closing in on 22minutes

May 16, 2008, 01:50 AM	#196
Kei Join Date: Mar 2008 Posts: 1,733 (0.91/day) Thanks: 1,936 Thanked 618 Times in 507 Posts System Specs	Ah, koo I bet you still have some more speed left in those modules. All this time I thought you were using 1066ram for some reason. I wonder how high those will go, I haven't used them before. My GeIL ram went to 1066 (well a little over) on 2.3v but they're rated higher (voltage wise) than what you're using right now. Either way if the timings are set right on that you'll notice a very nice speed boost indeed. K

May 16, 2008, 02:02 AM	#198
Kei Join Date: Mar 2008 Posts: 1,733 (0.91/day) Thanks: 1,936 Thanked 618 Times in 507 Posts System Specs	Stop using the 800Mhz divider (x2) and use the 1066 divider (x2.66). I don't know if your ram will run at 1066 mode so I can't say that it'd work and you may have to clear the cmos again if it doesn't post or come back on. If not then just keep boosting the HT Bus speed until you can get it higher. Why not just try an even 1000Mhz by using 250Mhz HT Bus and 12x cpu multiplier (8x for northbridge and ht link gives you 2.0Ghz stock ). Try it at the same 2.1v and see what happens. Set the timing to 5-5-5-15-21 though or leave them on auto (it'll prolly choose that) and see what happens. Make sure you use 2T though K

May 16, 2008, 02:08 AM	#199
fullinfusion 1.21 Gigawatts Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: CANADA Posts: 5,448 (2.78/day) Thanks: 2,688 Thanked 1,294 Times in 1,092 Posts System Specs	well sunshine lol im kinda in the middle of stressing at the moment but in about an hour ill try but i was just going to msg you saying that i believe my memory might be the cause of my instability.... but yeah for sure I'll giver a shot and see what happens... I WANT TO PLAY GEAR'S OF WAR DAMMIT lol __________________ CPU-Z validation sig pics temporarily blocked

May 16, 2008, 02:20 AM	#200
fullinfusion 1.21 Gigawatts Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: CANADA Posts: 5,448 (2.78/day) Thanks: 2,688 Thanked 1,294 Times in 1,092 Posts System Specs	I just Pulled out a sock from under my mattress with a grand in it.... HMMM... Thinking of going with a phase exchanger for the cpu cooling.... Dam -20c would give alotta room for o/c'n hey. I sent in a rma to thermaltake and there replacing the water block.... HHmmM... na a phaze unit wont leak an my precious lol __________________ CPU-Z validation sig pics temporarily blocked

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