Monitor "ms" question

bboy-mass · May 17, 2008, 12:49 PM

Hello,

I have 5ms 22in LG and want to put a stop to locking framerates in games. I can't stand to see screen tearing, so what monitor do I purchase to handle the output from the GPU without playing catch-up??

It must be LCD or TFT as I don't have the room for CRT. If anyone knows of a 22inc CRT with a small backside, let me know.

Regards,
Nigel

ktr · May 17, 2008, 03:54 PM

What is the rest of your system specs?

Solaris17 · May 17, 2008, 03:56 PM

enable vsync?

bboy-mass · May 18, 2008, 09:07 AM

My spec is as follows:

Asus M3N-HT Deluxe Mobo
XFX-9800GTX
Coolermaster 1000 Cosmos
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9850 2.5G CPU OC to 2.9G
1TB Storage

I don't want to hold back the graphics card anymore, so I need to know which is THE best screen to purchase to keep up with my 9800GTX. I don't want to enable vsync.

R.
Nigel

echo75 · May 18, 2008, 09:17 AM

i dont think 5ms is the cause of your problems mate. Did u overclock the card?

3870x2 · May 18, 2008, 09:18 AM

Thats right, enable vertical-synchronization(V-Sync) It synchronizes your FPS with the monitor refresh rate. Your fps will be capped at 30,45, or 60, but it will reduce the tearing. If you are playing above 60fps, with only a 60hz refresh rate, all the extra FPS above 60 arent shown, and this causes "tears" in the screen.
I dont care if you have 2 9800GX2 SLI and the $2000 dell 30in display playing at 600 FPS on wow or something, you will get tearing without V-Sync. Listen to these people when they tell you something like what solaris said, they know what they are talking about.

Mussels · May 18, 2008, 09:21 AM

i think what he wants, is to remove tearing without enabling Vsync. That isnt possible - its variation between high and low FPS that causes the tearing so V-sync is the only option.

What you are asking for isnt possible.

GLD · May 18, 2008, 09:29 AM

DamnIt Nigel! Enable the vsync!

(j/k) A 5ms monitor should hang for gaming. I played COD4 on a first gen $1000 (then) Mitsubishi 15" LCD and it looked p***y pink in my eyes.

(It looked awesome in other words) The ms on that monitor has to be 16+. Your gpu has the power to run vsync (or is that a feature the grean camp is lacking, lol). Do you have the mfg. display drivers installed? If you havent already, I would uninstall the nVidia drivers and reinstall them. Is you display digital? If it is and you are running it analog, get the dvi cable. Good luck.

Mussels · May 18, 2008, 09:46 AM

many people, myself included hate vsync. i get odd mouselag in some games, and dislike being stuck at 60FPS (openGL games are often worse, sticking at 30 sometimes)

His problem is that he doesnt want Vsync, but wants to remove the tearing - it cant be done. Buying a 100Hz LCD screen may help, but they arent cheap.

Error 404 · May 21, 2008, 10:54 AM

Wait for OLED displays: they have great refresh rates and are rated in hundredths of milliseconds!
Other than that, your options are vsync, CRT, or a very expensive monitor.

Mussels · May 21, 2008, 10:55 AM

CRT's still exhibit the same effect when Vsync is off.

magibeg · May 21, 2008, 11:02 AM

CRT's are usually around the range of 75hz which is a little better than LCD's but not good enough to remove tearing. Without enabling v-sync there isn't much that can happen without blowing huge amounts of money as other members said. I guess the next question would be what games are you playing that you notice all this tearing in? At 60+ fps any tearing would be marginal as they would only last 1-2/60 of a second.

Nitro-Max · May 21, 2008, 11:53 AM

Read this guide fella its a good read and will help you understand things more clearly
It tells you all about vsync and tearing you'll also learn how and why a lcd and crt operate as they do enableing triple buffering can help boost fps with vsync enabled on newer cards or cards with a large onboard memory.

http://www.tweakguides.com/Graphics_1.html

Temps_Riising · May 21, 2008, 12:10 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Nitro-Max

Read this guide fella its a good read and will help you understand things more clearly
It tells you all about vsync and tearing you'll also learn how and why a lcd and crt operate as they do enableing triple buffering can help boost fps with vsync enabled on newer cards or cards with a large onboard memory.

http://www.tweakguides.com/Graphics_1.html

Very useful....thanks!

bboy-mass · May 22, 2008, 07:09 PM

Thanks guys, I guess its 60fps for now.

I only play racing games to be honest, so 60fps is cool.

R.
Nigel

May 17, 2008, 12:49 PM	#1
bboy-mass Join Date: May 2008 Location: Birmingham Posts: 145 (0.08/day) Thanks: 4 Thanked 4 Times in 4 Posts System Specs	Monitor "ms" question Hello, I have 5ms 22in LG and want to put a stop to locking framerates in games. I can't stand to see screen tearing, so what monitor do I purchase to handle the output from the GPU without playing catch-up?? It must be LCD or TFT as I don't have the room for CRT. If anyone knows of a 22inc CRT with a small backside, let me know. Regards, Nigel

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May 17, 2008, 03:56 PM	#3
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May 17, 2008, 03:54 PM	#2
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May 18, 2008, 09:07 AM	#4
bboy-mass Join Date: May 2008 Location: Birmingham Posts: 145 (0.08/day) Thanks: 4 Thanked 4 Times in 4 Posts System Specs	My spec is as follows: Asus M3N-HT Deluxe Mobo XFX-9800GTX Coolermaster 1000 Cosmos XP Media Center 32 G25 Wheel 9850 2.5G CPU OC to 2.9G 1TB Storage I don't want to hold back the graphics card anymore, so I need to know which is THE best screen to purchase to keep up with my 9800GTX. I don't want to enable vsync. R. Nigel

May 18, 2008, 09:17 AM	#5
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May 18, 2008, 09:18 AM	#6
3870x2 Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: Joplin, Mo Posts: 4,543 (2.37/day) Thanks: 175 Thanked 691 Times in 557 Posts System Specs	Thats right, enable vertical-synchronization(V-Sync) It synchronizes your FPS with the monitor refresh rate. Your fps will be capped at 30,45, or 60, but it will reduce the tearing. If you are playing above 60fps, with only a 60hz refresh rate, all the extra FPS above 60 arent shown, and this causes "tears" in the screen. I dont care if you have 2 9800GX2 SLI and the $2000 dell 30in display playing at 600 FPS on wow or something, you will get tearing without V-Sync. Listen to these people when they tell you something like what solaris said, they know what they are talking about. __________________ A+, N+, S+, MCSE. Heatware STEAM ID Name: furi0nst0rmrage (0s are zeros) M O D E R N\|\|W A R F A R E \|\| 2 \|\| CLUBHOUSE // TEAM “The amount exaltation of the processor cores can brings amazing floating” -sparkle

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May 18, 2008, 09:21 AM	#7
Mussels Doctor Moderator Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Bendigo, Australia (NOT THE USA) Posts: 34,564 (10.96/day) Thanks: 3,700 Thanked 8,698 Times in 6,395 Posts System Specs	i think what he wants, is to remove tearing without enabling Vsync. That isnt possible - its variation between high and low FPS that causes the tearing so V-sync is the only option. What you are asking for isnt possible. __________________ Edumacational thread about PC Audio My external HDD's.5x samsung 1TB + 2x Seagate 1.5TB = 8 TB external storage 32 Bit OS vs 64 bit OS information How to get hardware accelerated H264 playback (DXVA) Netbook Owners United!

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May 18, 2008, 09:29 AM	#8
GLD Join Date: May 2006 Location: U.S.A. Posts: 954 (0.37/day) Thanks: 59 Thanked 119 Times in 69 Posts System Specs	DamnIt Nigel! Enable the vsync! (j/k) A 5ms monitor should hang for gaming. I played COD4 on a first gen $1000 (then) Mitsubishi 15" LCD and it looked p***y pink in my eyes. (It looked awesome in other words) The ms on that monitor has to be 16+. Your gpu has the power to run vsync (or is that a feature the grean camp is lacking, lol). Do you have the mfg. display drivers installed? If you havent already, I would uninstall the nVidia drivers and reinstall them. Is you display digital? If it is and you are running it analog, get the dvi cable. Good luck.

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Mussels Doctor Moderator Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Bendigo, Australia (NOT THE USA) Posts: 34,564 (10.96/day) Thanks: 3,700 Thanked 8,698 Times in 6,395 Posts System Specs	many people, myself included hate vsync. i get odd mouselag in some games, and dislike being stuck at 60FPS (openGL games are often worse, sticking at 30 sometimes) His problem is that he doesnt want Vsync, but wants to remove the tearing - it cant be done. Buying a 100Hz LCD screen may help, but they arent cheap. __________________ Edumacational thread about PC Audio My external HDD's.5x samsung 1TB + 2x Seagate 1.5TB = 8 TB external storage 32 Bit OS vs 64 bit OS information How to get hardware accelerated H264 playback (DXVA) Netbook Owners United!

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Mussels Doctor Moderator Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Bendigo, Australia (NOT THE USA) Posts: 34,564 (10.96/day) Thanks: 3,700 Thanked 8,698 Times in 6,395 Posts System Specs	CRT's still exhibit the same effect when Vsync is off. __________________ Edumacational thread about PC Audio My external HDD's.5x samsung 1TB + 2x Seagate 1.5TB = 8 TB external storage 32 Bit OS vs 64 bit OS information How to get hardware accelerated H264 playback (DXVA) Netbook Owners United!

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May 22, 2008, 07:09 PM	#15
bboy-mass Join Date: May 2008 Location: Birmingham Posts: 145 (0.08/day) Thanks: 4 Thanked 4 Times in 4 Posts System Specs	Thanks guys, I guess its 60fps for now. I only play racing games to be honest, so 60fps is cool. R. Nigel

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