Mushkin Support Thread - Page 15

johnspack · Dec 21, 2008, 06:54 AM

Very sorry to hear!!! You will be missed MushkinGreg! Best rep there ever was....

DMF · Dec 25, 2008, 01:10 AM

Whoa, I got a MIR back from OCZ. I nearly threw it out! I guess it's part check but it looks like a postcard from the neighborhood gutter cleaner. Check your mail carefully!

I hope the company servicing Mushkin's rebates doesn't also try to dodge paying by making the rebate check look like junk mail...

eidairaman1 · Dec 25, 2008, 01:15 AM

they do that to deceive thieves

toxophilite · Jan 23, 2009, 03:43 PM

I've been unable to arrive at a bios configuration that will POST or boot at 1066 dual channel with the following rig...

Mobo: Gigabyte GA-EP45-UD3P
Rev 1.0
Bios: F6
S/N: 084940007503
CPU: Intel Q9550 2.83ghz
CPU Cooler: MassCool 8WA741 92mm Ball
VGA: SAPPHIRE 100265L Radeon HD 4830
Memory: DDR2 Mushkin 2x2GB XP2 8500 1066 (996619)
PSU: Thermaltake 650w

POSTs/boots/runs stable at 800 dual channel with all bios settings on auto except DRAM voltage set to 2.00v as per mushkin instruction.

Both modules run just fine individually at 1066 in single module, single channel mode with stock/auto +2.0vDRAM settings.

Can you tell me where I might find a complete, explicit listing of bios settings I should use for a stable config from which to start 1066 dual channel?

eidairaman1 · Jan 24, 2009, 11:11 AM

timings will be different and TBH your better off having the tighter timings than the additional Clock Tick.

Quote:

Originally Posted by toxophilite

I've been unable to arrive at a bios configuration that will POST or boot at 1066 dual channel with the following rig...

Mobo: Gigabyte GA-EP45-UD3P
Rev 1.0
Bios: F6
S/N: 084940007503
CPU: Intel Q9550 2.83ghz
CPU Cooler: MassCool 8WA741 92mm Ball
VGA: SAPPHIRE 100265L Radeon HD 4830
Memory: DDR2 Mushkin 2x2GB XP2 8500 1066 (996619)
PSU: Thermaltake 650w

POSTs/boots/runs stable at 800 dual channel with all bios settings on auto except DRAM voltage set to 2.00v as per mushkin instruction.

Both modules run just fine individually at 1066 in single module, single channel mode with stock/auto +2.0vDRAM settings.

Can you tell me where I might find a complete, explicit listing of bios settings I should use for a stable config from which to start 1066 dual channel?

johnspack · Feb 4, 2009, 12:53 AM

Currently running my pc8500 ascents at 825mhz with 4-4-3-8 1t timings. Can't seem to drop either of the 4s down to 3. Will these modules take more than 2.1v? (Yes I know voids warranty) Would like to hit 1200 instead, but athlon x2s don't really use the extra bandwidth, but will use low latency....

wondering if I should drop my trc to 20..

jimmyme · Mar 22, 2009, 09:58 AM

Hey Guys,

MUSHKIN support needed...
Specs are in sig thingy!
Basically when I first installed(new build) it was impossible to install and boot Vista without a BSOD. Errors were MEMORY_MANAGEMENT etc.
ripped out 2 of the RAM sticks and it installed, booted and ran fine!
Dropped back in 1 more stick....also ok.....
Dropped in the last.....BSOD!!!!! argh!

Perhaps the last stick is the problem? Ripped out all sticks, tried to boot with the 'suspect' stick and.......BSOD argh!

So is that stick f'd or am I missing something. Do I need to return it to where i bought it.

Thanks for any help possible!
Jimmy

eidairaman1 · Mar 22, 2009, 11:00 AM

Request Replacement from the Etailer, Worst COmes to Worst you can probably RMA back to Mushkin for Replacement, also to test Suspect Faulty Memory, run Memtest86 off a floppy (reboot with Floppy as first boot device)

jimmyme · Mar 22, 2009, 11:09 AM

Ok, thanks!
I don't have a floppy drive, and I don't think that Memtest86 has a USB option?
Could use a blank CD i guess...crap.
Have to buy some tomorrow!
The eRetailer seems really good, i'll send them the details and see what they say!
Thanks again.

DMF · Apr 3, 2009, 05:20 PM

Well, its been about 6 months. Got the Asus and OCZ rebates filed at the same time, but not the Mushkin rebate. I did log in and register on the site. I received a notice that Mushkin had received my rebate application - about 4 months ago. Was I supposed to receive a notice of final disposition?

How do I find out the rebate status?

DMF · Apr 3, 2009, 05:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jimmyme

I don't have a floppy drive, and I don't think that Memtest86 has a USB option?

Memtest (or anything else) will run off a bootable USB. Setting up the OS it wants is the trick. Same with a CD.

I don't put floppies in my systems any more but I always keep one around for just such an occasion. Got a bud who'll lend you one?

MushkinSean · Apr 3, 2009, 08:12 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DMF

Well, its been about 6 months. Got the Asus and OCZ rebates filed at the same time, but not the Mushkin rebate. I did log in and register on the site. I received a notice that Mushkin had received my rebate application - about 4 months ago. Was I supposed to receive a notice of final disposition?

How do I find out the rebate status?

Pm me your contact info

aCid888* · Apr 3, 2009, 08:19 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MushkinSean

Pm me your contact info

This guy been verified as a Mushkin Rep?? If not or no one knows, I wouldnt PM him my contact info.

I see only one post and no custom title.....caution needed?

MushkinSean · Apr 3, 2009, 08:26 PM

You can check over at the Mushkin forum. http://forums.mushkin.com/phpbb2/
He can PM me there if he wants
Forum won't let me put a link in my sig yet.

aCid888* · Apr 4, 2009, 04:32 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MushkinSean

You can check over at the Mushkin forum. http://forums.mushkin.com/phpbb2/
He can PM me there if he wants
Forum won't let me put a link in my sig yet.

PM Wizzard and get a custom title.

Urlyin · Apr 5, 2009, 04:35 PM

I confirm Sean as a Mushkin Rep Welcome

MushkinSean · Apr 5, 2009, 04:45 PM

Thanks m8, glad to be here!

DMF · Apr 13, 2009, 06:33 PM

Yeah, welcome!

PM sent, asking what info you need.

Duonger · Jun 11, 2009, 07:00 PM

Cool see a new guy there to help. Very nice!

aCid888* · Jun 17, 2009, 03:39 AM

I'm wondering what I need to RMA my Mushkin 1150mhz DDR2 kit...I don't think I have the receipt for it anymore, this will no doubt be a problem, no??

Paulieg · Jun 17, 2009, 03:56 AM

Welcome Sean. Glad to have another rep around!

MushkinSean · Jun 19, 2009, 04:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by aCid888*

I'm wondering what I need to RMA my Mushkin 1150mhz DDR2 kit...I don't think I have the receipt for it anymore, this will no doubt be a problem, no??

Sorry did not see this before.
We don't sell that kit anymore

, but I'm sure that something can be worked out. Don't worry about the receipt if you can't find it. Go here to start the RMA

Quote:

Originally Posted by Paulieg

Welcome Sean. Glad to have another rep around!

Glad to be here!

I'll be around a lot more starting next month.

boomstik360 · Jul 21, 2009, 06:08 PM

Hey MushkinSean,

I have the Mushkin DDR2 800 2x1GB 996533 Kit that a friend gave me because he said they are bad. What he said was : "I have used these on two different motherboards and each motherboard that I used them in, the Dimm slots stopped working. They would run for a little bit and then the slots would no longer read that there was memory in that slot. It happened with two different boards. At first I thought it was the board so I RMA'd it for a different motherboard brand and model entirely and then the exact same thing happend." He doesn't want to deal with an RMA or anything so he just gave them to me to deal with and said I can just keep them and decide if I want to RMA them. Can I RMA the sticks easily?

And yes he did try other RAM in those said slots that stopped working and they were indeed not reading the other known working RAM.

He also said he didn't even run the RAM at the EPP Rated timing and voltages, just standard JDEC 5-5-5-18 1.8v

MushkinSean · Jul 21, 2009, 06:27 PM

You should be ok doing the RMA

Start the RMA here

boomstik360 · Jul 21, 2009, 06:32 PM

Alright thank you very much Sean!

Dec 21, 2008, 06:54 AM	#351
johnspack Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: Nelson B.C. Canada Posts: 3,724 (1.81/day) Thanks: 282 Thanked 750 Times in 516 Posts System Specs	Very sorry to hear!!! You will be missed MushkinGreg! Best rep there ever was.... __________________ Heatware: http://www.heatware.com/eval.php?id=73875 Clan !! The Fighting 24th !! http://fxxiv.forumotion.ca/ Buy the games you like! Boycott the garbage! Cruncher: P6T Xeon ES W3570 6Gbs Ram 1xgtx285 1xgtx260

System Name:	Blacknet
Processor:	i7 950@ 4.1GHz
Motherboard:	Asus Rampage II Gene
Cooling:	Noctua NH-D14, 8 case fans
Memory:	24GB gskill ripjaws@ 1800mhz
Video Card:	Evga GTX480 + GTX260 Physx + TrackIR 5
Hard Disk:	WD Black 1TB 64mb cache + Spinpoint F1 750g backup + 2TB Seagate backup + 320GB Seagate backup
Optical Drive:	LG BH12LS38 Blu Ray burner
CRT/LCD Model:	Syncmaster 2443BW 1920x1200 Lcd + 19" ViewSonic Lcd
Case:	Antec 1200
Sound Card:	Onboard
PSU:	Silverstone 850Watt Strider+ Modular
Software:	Win7 x64 SP1 Ultimate
Benchmarks:	Time to upgrade to 680s....

System Name:	Ungoliant
Processor:	E8400 @ 3.6 GHz/833
Motherboard:	Asus P5Q Pro (P45)
Cooling:	CPU & GPU: OEM case: thermo-control 90mm in, manual 120mm out
Memory:	2x2GB Mushkin HP2-6400
Video Card:	Powercolor PCS+ Radeon 4670
Hard Disk:	320GB WD RE3 (RAID1) + 1TB WD Caviar Green (RAID1)
Optical Drive:	DVD burner
CRT/LCD Model:	Viewsonic Q95 19" CRT @ 16*12
Case:	no-name 3688KL "PacMan" mid-tower w/ fan mods
Sound Card:	M-Audio Revolution 7.1 (nice!)
PSU:	PC P&C 610W EPSV12
Software:	64-bit Vista (eh..)
Benchmarks:	It's fast and quiet; who needs numbers?

Dec 25, 2008, 01:15 AM	#353
eidairaman1 Eligible for custom title Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: HTX Posts: 10,078 (4.69/day) Thanks: 1,359 Thanked 1,159 Times in 1,035 Posts System Specs	they do that to deceive thieves __________________ Athlon XP USERS with COD 4 FIX http://www.techsupportforum.com/foru...ls-202011.html http://www.howorks.com/2011/02/24/ho...-memory-limit/ “Sometimes my level of fail is unprecedented.” -TheMailMan78 “This is what the force of a thousand suns looks like.” -3870x2

System Name:	BS03/04
Processor:	AMD Athlon XP-M 2500+ 2.2GHz 1.5V
Motherboard:	DFI LanParty NFII Ultra-B Bios (TicTac 3D Fire R2)
Cooling:	4 Antec 80mm, TR SI-97 Adapted TT Big Typhoon Fan 120MM
Memory:	2GB Mushkin Redline 4000 @ 200 MHz 2.5V
Video Card:	Sapphire R1950Pro 512MB AGP 1.5V
Hard Disk:	250 & 400 GB Seagate Baracuda 10 SATA
Optical Drive:	2x Samsung Multiformat Rewritable Drives
CRT/LCD Model:	NEC Multisync LCD 1700V
Case:	Antec SX830 EATX Case
Sound Card:	Creative Labs SB XFi Xtreme Music & SB PCI 512
PSU:	Antec NEO HE 500 Watt
Software:	Windows 7 Home Premium
Benchmarks:	Win 7 Eval. CPU 3.9 Ram 4.5 Graphics 6.0 HD 5.7

Dec 25, 2008, 01:10 AM	#352
DMF Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: Atlanta Posts: 121 (0.07/day) Thanks: 7 Thanked 8 Times in 8 Posts System Specs	Whoa, I got a MIR back from OCZ. I nearly threw it out! I guess it's part check but it looks like a postcard from the neighborhood gutter cleaner. Check your mail carefully! I hope the company servicing Mushkin's rebates doesn't also try to dodge paying by making the rebate check look like junk mail...

Jan 23, 2009, 03:43 PM	#354
toxophilite Join Date: Jan 2009 Posts: 1 (0.00/day) Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Need stable config for GA-EP45-UD3P, Q99550, Mushkin XP2 8500 I've been unable to arrive at a bios configuration that will POST or boot at 1066 dual channel with the following rig... Mobo: Gigabyte GA-EP45-UD3P Rev 1.0 Bios: F6 S/N: 084940007503 CPU: Intel Q9550 2.83ghz CPU Cooler: MassCool 8WA741 92mm Ball VGA: SAPPHIRE 100265L Radeon HD 4830 Memory: DDR2 Mushkin 2x2GB XP2 8500 1066 (996619) PSU: Thermaltake 650w POSTs/boots/runs stable at 800 dual channel with all bios settings on auto except DRAM voltage set to 2.00v as per mushkin instruction. Both modules run just fine individually at 1066 in single module, single channel mode with stock/auto +2.0vDRAM settings. Can you tell me where I might find a complete, explicit listing of bios settings I should use for a stable config from which to start 1066 dual channel?

Feb 4, 2009, 12:53 AM	#356
johnspack Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: Nelson B.C. Canada Posts: 3,724 (1.81/day) Thanks: 282 Thanked 750 Times in 516 Posts System Specs	Currently running my pc8500 ascents at 825mhz with 4-4-3-8 1t timings. Can't seem to drop either of the 4s down to 3. Will these modules take more than 2.1v? (Yes I know voids warranty) Would like to hit 1200 instead, but athlon x2s don't really use the extra bandwidth, but will use low latency.... wondering if I should drop my trc to 20.. __________________ Heatware: http://www.heatware.com/eval.php?id=73875 Clan !! The Fighting 24th !! http://fxxiv.forumotion.ca/ Buy the games you like! Boycott the garbage! Cruncher: P6T Xeon ES W3570 6Gbs Ram 1xgtx285 1xgtx260 Last edited by johnspack; Feb 4, 2009 at 12:59 AM.

Mar 22, 2009, 09:58 AM	#357
jimmyme Join Date: Oct 2008 Posts: 66 (0.04/day) Thanks: 1 Thanked 5 Times in 4 Posts System Specs	Hey Guys, MUSHKIN support needed... Specs are in sig thingy! Basically when I first installed(new build) it was impossible to install and boot Vista without a BSOD. Errors were MEMORY_MANAGEMENT etc. ripped out 2 of the RAM sticks and it installed, booted and ran fine! Dropped back in 1 more stick....also ok..... Dropped in the last.....BSOD!!!!! argh! Perhaps the last stick is the problem? Ripped out all sticks, tried to boot with the 'suspect' stick and.......BSOD argh! So is that stick f'd or am I missing something. Do I need to return it to where i bought it. Thanks for any help possible! Jimmy Last edited by jimmyme; Mar 22, 2009 at 10:10 AM.

Processor:	Core i7 920
Motherboard:	ASUS Rampage II GENE
Cooling:	stock.air
Memory:	6GB MUSHKIN HP3-12800
Video Card:	1xGAINWARD 4870 1Gb GS
Hard Disk:	1x WD Velociraptor 150Gb
PSU:	NEXUS Rx-8500
Software:	Vista64

Mar 22, 2009, 11:00 AM	#358
eidairaman1 Eligible for custom title Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: HTX Posts: 10,078 (4.69/day) Thanks: 1,359 Thanked 1,159 Times in 1,035 Posts System Specs	Request Replacement from the Etailer, Worst COmes to Worst you can probably RMA back to Mushkin for Replacement, also to test Suspect Faulty Memory, run Memtest86 off a floppy (reboot with Floppy as first boot device) __________________ Athlon XP USERS with COD 4 FIX http://www.techsupportforum.com/foru...ls-202011.html http://www.howorks.com/2011/02/24/ho...-memory-limit/ “Sometimes my level of fail is unprecedented.” -TheMailMan78 “This is what the force of a thousand suns looks like.” -3870x2

Mar 22, 2009, 11:09 AM	#359
jimmyme Join Date: Oct 2008 Posts: 66 (0.04/day) Thanks: 1 Thanked 5 Times in 4 Posts System Specs	Ok, thanks! I don't have a floppy drive, and I don't think that Memtest86 has a USB option? Could use a blank CD i guess...crap. Have to buy some tomorrow! The eRetailer seems really good, i'll send them the details and see what they say! Thanks again.

Apr 3, 2009, 05:20 PM	#360
DMF Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: Atlanta Posts: 121 (0.07/day) Thanks: 7 Thanked 8 Times in 8 Posts System Specs	Well, its been about 6 months. Got the Asus and OCZ rebates filed at the same time, but not the Mushkin rebate. I did log in and register on the site. I received a notice that Mushkin had received my rebate application - about 4 months ago. Was I supposed to receive a notice of final disposition? How do I find out the rebate status?

System Name:	His (aCid888*) ..:\|:.. Hers (p1nky)
Processor:	Q9550 @ 4.25GHz (1.29v) - Lapped Koolance CPU-345 ..:\|:.. 945ES @ 3.82GHz (1.47v) - Lapped Fuzion v1
Motherboard:	Gigabyte EP-45 UD3P (MX-2 NB + SB) ..:\|:.. Asus M3A79-T Deluxe 790FX (MX-2 NB + SB)
Cooling:	MCP-355/XSPC 200ml Restop + Feser X-Changer 360 ..:\|:.. MCP-355/XSPC 200ml + Black Ice Extreme 360
Memory:	2x2GB OCZ Flex II 1150mhz @ 1200mhz 5-5-5-15 ..:\|:.. 2x2GB G.Skill Pi Black @ 864MHz 4-4-4-12
Video Card:	PNY "XLR8" 9800GX2 ..:\|:.. HIS 4870 1GB @ 800/1000 (Stock Air For Now)
Hard Disk:	Western Digital "AAKS" 640GB + XP SP3 ..:\|:.. Seagate 500GB + XP SP3
Optical Drive:	Black LightScibe LG ..:\|:.. Black LightScribe LG
CRT/LCD Model:	22" BenQ E2200HD @ 1920x1080 ..:\|:.. 22" Acer P223w @ 1680x1050
Case:	Modded Lian Li PC-7FW ..:\|:.. Modded Lian Li PC-6F
Sound Card:	SoundBlaster Audigy 2 ZS (Heatsink Mod) ..:\|:.. SoundBlaster Audigy 2 (Heatsink Mod)
PSU:	Zalman ZM750-HP 750w Modular ..:\|:.. OCZ ModXStream-Pro 600w Modular
Software:	A Lot?
Benchmarks:	Many?

Apr 3, 2009, 08:26 PM	#364
MushkinSean Mushkin Rep Join Date: Mar 2009 Posts: 74 (0.05/day) Thanks: 2 Thanked 34 Times in 29 Posts	You can check over at the Mushkin forum. http://forums.mushkin.com/phpbb2/ He can PM me there if he wants Forum won't let me put a link in my sig yet.

Apr 5, 2009, 04:35 PM	#366
Urlyin Senior Moderator Join Date: Aug 2004 Posts: 2,132 (0.67/day) Thanks: 61 Thanked 124 Times in 77 Posts	I confirm Sean as a Mushkin Rep Welcome __________________ Open your mind and shut your mouth

Apr 5, 2009, 04:45 PM	#367
MushkinSean Mushkin Rep Join Date: Mar 2009 Posts: 74 (0.05/day) Thanks: 2 Thanked 34 Times in 29 Posts	Thanks m8, glad to be here!

Apr 13, 2009, 06:33 PM	#368
DMF Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: Atlanta Posts: 121 (0.07/day) Thanks: 7 Thanked 8 Times in 8 Posts System Specs	Yeah, welcome! PM sent, asking what info you need.

Jun 11, 2009, 07:00 PM	#369
Duonger Mushkin U.S.A. Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: Cali Posts: 17 (0.01/day) Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Cool see a new guy there to help. Very nice! __________________ Mushkin Memory It's all about Competition!

Jun 17, 2009, 03:39 AM	#370
aCid888* Join Date: May 2008 Location: In a state of flux... Posts: 2,297 (1.26/day) Thanks: 360 Thanked 660 Times in 547 Posts	I'm wondering what I need to RMA my Mushkin 1150mhz DDR2 kit...I don't think I have the receipt for it anymore, this will no doubt be a problem, no?? __________________ HTPC: E8500 @ 3.8GHz 1.20v ~ Passive Xiggy HDT-1283 ~ X38 Maximus Formula (Rampage BIOS) ~ 2x1GB Mushkin 1150mhz @ 950mhz 2.0v ~ 2x500GB RAID0 ~ eVGA 9800GTX+ SC ~ 52" Toshiba 1920x1080 LCD ~ Windows XP SP3 ~ Logitech Z-5500 5.1 “I would like to thank acid for this pivotal moment in internet history were he has just successfully forced the creation of a brand new meme.” -Solaris17

Jun 17, 2009, 03:56 AM	#371
Paulieg The Mad Moderator Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Wherever I can find the iron. Posts: 11,448 (5.02/day) Thanks: 2,519 Thanked 3,054 Times in 2,098 Posts System Specs	Welcome Sean. Glad to have another rep around! __________________ "I have found the Iron to be my greatest friend. It never freaks out on me, never runs. Friends may come and go. But two hundred pounds is always two hundred pounds." -Henry Rollins My heatware Save lives by joining the TPU WCG team!

Jul 21, 2009, 06:08 PM	#373
boomstik360 Join Date: Mar 2009 Posts: 2,183 (1.43/day) Thanks: 458 Thanked 422 Times in 360 Posts System Specs	Hey MushkinSean, I have the Mushkin DDR2 800 2x1GB 996533 Kit that a friend gave me because he said they are bad. What he said was : "I have used these on two different motherboards and each motherboard that I used them in, the Dimm slots stopped working. They would run for a little bit and then the slots would no longer read that there was memory in that slot. It happened with two different boards. At first I thought it was the board so I RMA'd it for a different motherboard brand and model entirely and then the exact same thing happend." He doesn't want to deal with an RMA or anything so he just gave them to me to deal with and said I can just keep them and decide if I want to RMA them. Can I RMA the sticks easily? And yes he did try other RAM in those said slots that stopped working and they were indeed not reading the other known working RAM. He also said he didn't even run the RAM at the EPP Rated timing and voltages, just standard JDEC 5-5-5-18 1.8v __________________ Heatware “3 year warranty... LOL playing the games in 3 years with a gtx 470 you'll probably be running 10fps and complaining that you don't have DX14” -Suprcynic Last edited by boomstik360; Jul 21, 2009 at 06:27 PM.

System Name:	Always changing
Processor:	Core i3 2120
Motherboard:	ASUS P8Z68-V Pro/Gen3
Cooling:	Corsair H100
Memory:	16Gb Samsung 30nm DDR3 1600 @ 2200Mhz 1.5V 9-10-10-28 1T
Video Card:	ASUS GTX 470 Reference
Hard Disk:	OCZ 60GB Agility 3
Optical Drive:	Lite On Blu-Ray
CRT/LCD Model:	Nec 23" 1080P LED
Case:	NZXT Tempest 410 Elite
Sound Card:	Realtek HD
PSU:	Corsair TX850M
Software:	Windows 7 Home Premium 64-Bit

Jul 21, 2009, 06:27 PM	#374
MushkinSean Mushkin Rep Join Date: Mar 2009 Posts: 74 (0.05/day) Thanks: 2 Thanked 34 Times in 29 Posts	You should be ok doing the RMA Start the RMA here __________________ Mushkin Enhanced comes alive Need help with your Mushkin Product? Click Here

Jul 21, 2009, 06:32 PM	#375
boomstik360 Join Date: Mar 2009 Posts: 2,183 (1.43/day) Thanks: 458 Thanked 422 Times in 360 Posts System Specs	Alright thank you very much Sean! __________________ Heatware “3 year warranty... LOL playing the games in 3 years with a gtx 470 you'll probably be running 10fps and complaining that you don't have DX14” -Suprcynic

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