Nvidia GT200 sucessor tapes out - Interesting Artice , GT200 is so expensive to make

http://www.theinquirer.net/gb/inquir...sucessor-tapes

[yogurt_21]

interesing read, and it makes sense with the history. nvidia was coming off of the huge sucess of the gf4ti series when it first mouthed off to Intel, then low and behold the fx seires was a disasster (relative to the GF4 series) and ATi took advantage of it with the 9700 and 9800 series. The other odd coincidence is that nvidia changed it's naming scheme for the FX series, going away form the Geforce5 moniker which would have continued their old one.

now nvidia is having a similar success coming off of the 8800series. and is about to change their namign scheme again. Probably pure fanboyinsm in me, but I see coincidences here.

Originally Posted by yogurt_21

interesing read, and it makes sense with the history. nvidia was coming off of the huge sucess of the gf4ti series when it first mouthed off to Intel, then low and behold the fx seires was a disasster (relative to the GF4 series) and ATi took advantage of it with the 9700 and 9800 series. The other odd coincidence is that nvidia changed it's naming scheme for the FX series, going away form the Geforce5 moniker which would have continued their old one.

now nvidia is having a similar success coming off of the 8800series. and is about to change their namign scheme again. Probably pure fanboyinsm in me, but I see coincidences here.

WOW , what coincidence .

i didn't know that . was technologically illiterate then !

[DaMulta]

So the only thing that will be changed for the newer cards according to this early rumor. The next cards will be the same cards just smaller.

I for one am ready for the giant smoking fast cores!!!!

[yogurt_21]

well if anything this shows that those who buy the first thing out, usually get burned. Basically teh article doens't say the gt200 won't perform, it says the gt200b will perform the same but will fix all the bugs.

my question is if the revision is already taped out, why the hell would you release the non revised cores? especially if the revision is way cheaper to produce?

[DaMulta]

Originally Posted by yogurt_21

well if anything this shows that those who buy the first thing out, usually get burned. Basically teh article doens't say the gt200 won't perform, it says the gt200b will perform the same but will fix all the bugs.

my question is if the revision is already taped out, why the hell would you release the non revised cores? especially if the revision is way cheaper to produce?

Because they are going to make the same amount of money. Smaller cores = cheaper video card to sell= same amount of money made per card. That's how I understand it.

Why pass up market share?

Just like the 2900XT and the 3870. If you have a 2900XT there was no point and running out and getting a 3870 unless your a green freak. This sounds the same to me.

[Silverel]

That's an awfully harsh article against the newest chips from nVidia. Can't wait to see benches.

[EastCoasthandle]

After reading that article it sounds to me they are suggesting they might slip in the GT200b and quietly introduce it as if nothing happened, no?

[magibeg]

I was wondering how they were going to deal with the cost of such a massive GPU. Of course given the source we shouldn't take this as 100% truth. However thats not to say they haven't been right before.

[EastCoasthandle]

Originally Posted by Silverel

That's an awfully harsh article against the newest chips from nVidia. Can't wait to see benches.

IMHO, there are few things to also consider then just benchmarks. People have been spoiled using mid-range cards and getting high end performance. What I mean by that are video cards:
-producing less heat
-lower wattage
-cost less
These 3 factors alone should play a big role in which way a person goes. Yes, there are those who will buy one or the other no matter what (sometimes without reason). However, in the end if (for example) the benchmarks for the 4870, GTX260/280 are well above 60 FPS @ 1680x1050 in nearly all games then price will take front stage. Followed by heat then power consumption.

There are many reasons for this:
-some are not in a position to water cool in order to overclock
-some don't have or don't want to pay for after market coolers
-some don't have proper air circulation in their PC case
-some simply can't or don't want to pay a whole lot of money for a new video card
-some know they have a PSU which is boarder line OK and are not interested in buying a new one just for a video card
-etc
Therefore, those in situations like this aren't likely to go through a whole lot of changes in order to accommodate a new video card.

[KainXS]

wow, nvidia maybe should have waited and just released the G200b first

[[I.R.A]_FBi]

then they wouldve come to the market late ...

[yogurt_21]

Originally Posted by [I.R.A]_FBi

then they wouldve come to the market late ...

maybe, we're at the tail end of q2 and still no 4870 in site.

[Megasty]

Originally Posted by KainXS

wow, nvidia maybe should have waited and just released the G200b first

That would go against everything NV did up till now but I completely agree. If too many folks find this out they'll be holding out for the GT200b. Having the GT200 maxed out already means that the EOL will be sickly short. I see the competition from ATi causing this more than anything. Buying a GT200 in the first week or 2 is just a dumb move but it will happen anyway

[magibeg]

Originally Posted by yogurt_21

maybe, we're at the tail end of q2 and still no 4870 in site.

Not sure if you've been keeping up with things but the 4870 will be out in about 2 weeks from now. And the GTX280 or whatever its called is coming out 3 days after that.

[HTC]

Very interesting read, dude!

A question: if nVidia had moved to GDDR4 or even GDDR5, would that have helped in reducing the die size?

[magibeg]

I'm pretty sure the die size would remain the same but they would have a smaller memory controller and possibly less memory chips on the board itself.

[HTC]

Originally Posted by magibeg

I'm pretty sure the die size would remain the same but they would have a smaller memory controller and possibly less memory chips on the board itself.

Ahh. Still, it would help with the overall price, no?

[magibeg]

Its really hard to say, I'm sure nvidia has asked all these questions before but there must be some reason why they didn't advance to GDDR5. Be it certain technological limitations or possibly just the lack of GDDR5 availability. Or they might have just worked out its cheaper for them to stay with old tech.

[Megasty]

Originally Posted by magibeg

I'm pretty sure the die size would remain the same but they would have a smaller memory controller and possibly less memory chips on the board itself.

Yeah, the ridiculous die size is due to the crazy amount of 65nm transistors they tried to fit on it. The 55nm GT200b will have a smaller die but not by much.

[HTC]

What if it turned out the ATI's new cards could actually beat the nVidia ones?

That would add insult to an already injured ...

[magibeg]

You could potentially say WHAT IF to a lot of things. If i had to guess though I'd say their chip will be the fastest we've ever seen. However its probably going to be crazy expensive and be limited quantities as the article said. It seems to be more of a bragging rights chip to me.

[HTC]

Well: they do say that size matters ...

In this case, smaller is better ...

[Megasty]

Originally Posted by magibeg

You could potentially say WHAT IF to a lot of things. If i had to guess though I'd say their chip will be the fastest we've ever seen. However its probably going to be crazy expensive and be limited quantities as the article said. It seems to be more of a bragging rights chip to me.

It better be

Not to say that it offset the prices cause it definitely don't. Its almost like its going to be the Ultra all over again. The BFG WC version costed over $900 & all the people I know with one got it for free including myself

These are no viable option to the 4870 & anyone who brags about owning one will seem to the left of any reasonable person just like the folks who bragged about buying an Ultra when the GTX was a much better option.

[Squirrely]

Quite an interesting read.

From what I heard, Nvidia actually ordered both 55 and 65nm wafers. I guess they attempted to get the 55nm process down pat, but it seems they had to resort to the 65nm wafers. I suspect, whenever they start to use the 55nm wafers, they may just slip in the gt200b unnoticed.

I suspect they will do the same with the 9800gt, as I have seen a rumor of a g92b core. It seems they will start re-branding the 8800gt into the 9800gt like the 8800gs and 9600gso. Then down the line when they start using 55nm, they will just slip in the g92b core it seems to cut down on production costs.

Nvidia has some sneaky things planned. But...truly not all that sneaky, as some of us know about it, lol.